trade idea with portland

[joshman]

how about hedo redick and future 1st to portland for their 13th pick travis outlaw and webster

then we draft speights, or arthur with the 13th pick

then we draft cdr,budinger or rush with the 22nd

[Dwightmare]

Looks good. Take out Webster to make it more even and throw in Sergio (or Jack if they aren't looking).

[eyriq]

That trade is horrible. Are you a Portland fan? Redick is better than Webster and neither Webster nor Outlaw are good enough to hold Hedo's jock strap. Then you throw in a future 1st? Webster will be lucky to be a rotation player during his career and Outlaw will be at best a 3rd option on a bad team. His activeness would be nice, but we already traded the ultimate active sf in Ariza, so why trade for a lesser one?
I do like getting Portlands 13th pick though, so at least you have something there. Maybe we do a future 1st straight up and call it a day? Speights or Arthur would be studs on this team.

[joshman]

dang my bad i put the exact same trade on portlands forum and they said that they were getting robbed they said redick is useless and that hedo wont fit in there system. they also said that they get the worse part of the deal

[sportsrock37]

That trade is horrible. Are you a Portland fan? Redick is better than Webster and neither Webster nor Outlaw are good enough to hold Hedo's jock strap. Then you throw in a future 1st? Webster will be lucky to be a rotation player during his career and Outlaw will be at best a 3rd option on a bad team. His activeness would be nice, but we already traded the ultimate active sf in Ariza, so why trade for a lesser one?
I do like getting Portlands 13th pick though, so at least you have something there. Maybe we do a future 1st straight up and call it a day? Speights or Arthur would be studs on this team.

Redick is better than Webster and Webster won't ever be a rotation player? He avg 28 mpg last year, I think that is certainly a rotation player. Webster and Outlaw both shoot very close to 40% from 3 land. I likely wouldn't do that trade, but it's not a terrible offer. If Portland would do it minus the future 1st I would probably do it.

[Devin 1L]

That trade is horrible. Are you a Portland fan? Redick is better than Webster and neither Webster nor Outlaw are good enough to hold Hedo's jock strap. Then you throw in a future 1st? Webster will be lucky to be a rotation player during his career and Outlaw will be at best a 3rd option on a bad team. His activeness would be nice, but we already traded the ultimate active sf in Ariza, so why trade for a lesser one?
I do like getting Portlands 13th pick though, so at least you have something there. Maybe we do a future 1st straight up and call it a day? Speights or Arthur would be studs on this team.

I'm not really commenting either way on the trade proposal, but have you seen much of Portland, specifically the players involved in this proposal?

I think you're being rather harsh in you assessment of them, and a bit homeristic concerning Redick.

Admittedly, I've always been a big Webster fan though.

[Dwightmare]

Dont expect the Portland realgm fans to agree with you. Ever since drafting Roy, LA, and Oden they have their heads so far up their asses, its not even funny. They are only concerned with adding young players too, where as their managment has stated that they want to add some veteran presence to that team. Their fans only want the young sexy players, yet their GM is trying to trade away their pick, so that kind of shows you the disconnect there.

Eyriq, that trade is pretty sweet. I dont know if you saw Travis Outlaw play this season, but dude has some skills. Really athletic and good jumpshot too. Also hit some clutch shots for them last season. He would be an awesome backup SF.

At 13 we could draft our future PF, so I would pull the trigger on this deal.

[Cigamodnalro]

Hell, I'd probably do this, although better trades are out there.

Outlaw is one of the most clutch players in the league (never thought I'd be typing that sentence). Webster is a smooth, consistent shooter. Both are young.

[zerp]

VERY bad trade for Magic.

[eyriq]

Well, more like awkward and out of sync. As for Webster, sorry, I stick by JJ being better. He has yet to prove anything that I can see, though I have not seen him play much.

[EasternMagic]

Ya im gonna have to agree with sportsrock . this trade wouldnt happen but i certainly dont think its absolutely terrible, outlaw would be a good contributer and webster is definitely a contributer. this trade seems more like a trade for the helping the future rather than helping us in the present situation we are in.

[Devin 1L]

Well, more like awkward and out of sync.

Referring to Outlaw?

When he first came into the league, I would have agreed, but he's now become more refined.

If you're just talking about his frame, hell, Tayshaun Prince is awkward and out of sync.

As for Webster, sorry, I stick by JJ being better. He has yet to prove anything that I can see, though I have not seen him play much.

Eh, well, agree to disagree I guess.

As for the 'not proven anything' view... Exactly what has JJ proven?

I'm not making a case that either is really "proven", but only in terms of comparing one to the other, I'd actually say Webster is more proven.

I seriously think (and I'll again admit that I've always been a big fan of Webster) that Webster can be a star in this league. I think he will be one of those players who just steadily improves day-by-day, year-by-year, with nothing too jaw-dropping, until one day people start to realize, damn, this guy is actually really good. But hey, that's just me.

[NEM]

bad trade for both teams...hedo wouldn't fit because with aldridge, oden, and roy he would be left out and would be the 4th option...we give up our second leading scorer and our main go to guy for what? a 13th pick and some hustle players??? ill pass

[eyriq]

Referring to Outlaw?

Yes.

When he first came into the league, I would have agreed, but he's now become more refined.

Fair enough. Really though, does he ever project to be an all star or even close? I don't see it. More likely a role player, imo.

As for the 'not proven anything' view... Exactly what has JJ proven?

Good point. I just like what I see in Redick and think that if given the chance he will thrive with us. I think that a lot of JJ's success in college can translate over if given the chance, and I'd still like for us to be that team that gives him that chance.

[Magic.City.23.]

Reddick is NOT better then Webster, are u kidding?!? I would be pretty happy if we could pull off that deal to be honest. It would address alot of our needs & give us a brighter future with more room to grow then we have now.

[sportsrock37]

Not to mention(adding onto devin's comments) that Webster is 2.5 years younger than JJ. I'd much rather have Webster over JJ. If proposed Webster for Redick straight up I wouldnt' even hesitate. Hell I'd probably do it if we give up our 1st with Redick. I agree with devin, I think Webster could be a star in the NBA.

[AdamTheGreek]

Webster will become a better player than Outlaw, but I value Hedo too much to trade him here.

[bigshawn]

As a Magic fan living in Portland, I wouldn't do that trade. Outlaw is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He's an incredible athlete but just doesn't know how to use his gifts. He can shoot but doesn't have a good BB IQ.

Webster is a waste of the 6th pick (they actually traded down not to take CP3 or Deron Williams and got him). His defense is on par with J.J's; he plays none. He reminds me of a post-prime smaller Glen Rice, which is not good for his draft status. Also, he stays in McMillian's dog house because of his lack of D.

[BassMaster]

Not to mention(adding onto devin's comments) that Webster is 2.5 years younger than JJ. I'd much rather have Webster over JJ. If proposed Webster for Redick straight up I wouldnt' even hesitate. Hell I'd probably do it if we give up our 1st with Redick. I agree with devin, I think Webster could be a star in the NBA.

Another good reason why Otis Smith is GM and you are here posting.

[Devin 1L]

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Another good reason why Otis Smith is GM and you are here posting.

Pot, kettle...