Orl/Hou Trade Idea

J-Mezzy · Post #1 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:12 pm

Orlando Trades
Hedo
JJ

Houston trades
Carl Landry
Shane Battier
1st round pick

Why for Orlando:
Orlando fills 2 of their most desired positions. They get a big man that is athletic and can rebound and defend at the PF position and also a proven vet that can play SG, has good size, and can defend as well as anyone in the league at the SG position. Add to that the fact that Battier can shoot the 3 very well. Orlando can still use MLE to sign a more talented offensive player to add to the mix and will get a 1st round pick they can use as a trade asset.

Why for Houston:
In Turk, they get the 3rd option the have been desperately needing. Hedo can relieve McGrady of both playmaking and scoring options. In JJ, they get a solid 3 point shooter that fits their system.

I didn't check if salary wise this trade is even possible, but seems like an interesting thought to me

theTHIEF · Post #2 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:27 pm

honestly not a bad trade, but Hou doesnt do this..

J-Mezzy · Post #3 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:38 pm

Well, Hedo has a history with Adelman and they need to make a move. Houston continuously fails to become a contender with the current staff and I am pretty sure they are more than willing to make a move.

Also, Houston has been known to make a bad trade or 2. Gay for Batttier, and Wells, James for Jackson.

I honestly think they would do it, but ya never know

theTHIEF · Post #4 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:44 pm

so you concede that the trade proposed is "bad" yet expect them pull the trigger because Hedo has history with Adelman and they would consider him the ideal 3rd option? I see

J-Mezzy · Post #5 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:49 pm

theTHIEF wrote:so you concede that the trade proposed is "bad" yet expect them pull the trigger because Hedo has history with Adelman and they would consider him the ideal 3rd option? I see

I don't think the trade is bad, I just said they have made bad trades before, this one is actually pretty fair. Hedo is the best player in the proposed trade and he provides scoring and playmaking which is what they desperately need since McGrady is the only one with those skills in that team. McGrady is getting old and they need to get him some help.

Magicalltheway · Post #6 » by **Magicalltheway** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:52 pm

Im neutral about this trade. What I keep wondering is currently Hedo is our only playmaker and a big man with ball handling skills. If we dont get a playmaker in return we will look like a deer in a headlights.

Trading Hedo is much more complecated that many think.

But another fact to also consider is, we have been scoring 104 ppg. We have also given up 99. How is trading Hedo going to effect these numbers. Do we need to score 104 especially in the East. Or is it more important to reduce the points allowed.

J-Mezzy · Post #7 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:52 pm

As far as Adelman goes, Houston when out of their way to get Jackson because of the "good history" between Jackson and Adelman.

J-Mezzy · Post #8 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 1:57 pm

Magicalltheway wrote:Im neutral about this trade. What I keep wondering is currently Hedo is our only playmaker and a big man with ball handling skills. If we dont get a playmaker in return we will look like a deer in a headlights.

Trading Hedo is much more complecated that many think.

But another fact to also consider is, we have been scoring 104 ppg. We have also given up 99. How is trading Hedo going to effect these numbers. Do we need to score 104 especially in the East. Or is it more important to reduce the points allowed.

Well, this trade automatically makes us a better defensive team, but I agree, it is risky since Hedo is our only playmaker. I would only proceed with this trade if we have someone in mind with our MLE to help carry the offensive load

whocares · Post #9 » by **whocares** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 2:09 pm

1. hedo has a history with adelman.
2. a very bitter one.
3. adelman will not be willing to work with hedo again and neither will hedo.

AdamTheGreek · Post #10 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:23 pm

Houston is too high on Landry, but this is a fair trade idea.

Guy986 · Post #11 » by **Guy986** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:29 pm

whocares wrote:1. hedo has a history with adelman.
2. a very bitter one.
3. adelman will not be willing to work with hedo again and neither will hedo.

What? Where you hear this ridiculous rumor from? The last time Houston played Orlando, Turk greeted Adelman before the game started. They were chatting and laughing; generally seemed to be in good terms. As far as i know, every former player of Coach A's absloutely adore the man.

Now back to the trade. I think its a fair trade. As a Rocket fan, its close but i'll pass. Battier is too valuablet to us.(and no he can't play SG... atleast not on offense)

theTHIEF · Post #12 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:31 pm

1. He
2. Just
3. Makes
4. Things
5. Up

Guy986 · Post #13 » by **Guy986** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 3:48 pm

theTHIEF wrote:1. He
2. Just
3. Makes
4. Things
5. Up

Figured as much....

magicfanejc42 · Post #14 » by **magicfanejc42** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 5:36 pm

That is a GREAT trade proposal...It works for both teams very well...It gives Orlando it's starting 2 in Battier, and maybe even starting 4 in Landry... Plus a pick..I don't like that we lose JJ but, oh well.I like that trade very much, and to be honest Houston would be dumb to not consider it..

whocares · Post #15 » by **whocares** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 6:20 pm

1. hedo's career was almost over under adelman led kings during his third year.
2. hedo was the favorite of one of his assistant and most respected coach: pete carrill, aka yoda.
3. the only year he was on leave, hedo had run his mouth and was immediately out of favor.
4. the same season, jim jackson was brought in as a free agent.
5. hedo was not getting any time at all towards the end of the season.
6. he was out of shape, trying to find time as a pf since both the sg slot and sf slot was pretty much taken for 40 minutes a piece, among jim jackson, doug christie and peja stojakovic.
7. the following season, hedo was traded to the spurs.
8. thanks to popovich, he turned back the tide.
9. around those times, all his interviews were explicitly or implicitly blaming adelman for that one year stall/fall back.
10. just becase they both are civilized people and can talk to each other does not mean they are in good terms and will enjoy working together again.
11. quite often when you think you detect ignorance through a window, you are actually looking at a mirror.

theTHIEF · Post #16 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jun 2, 2008 6:31 pm

oh no a mirror...i get it...

OhMyBosh · Post #17 » by **OhMyBosh** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:53 am

magicfanejc42 wrote:That is a GREAT trade proposal...It works for both teams very well...It gives Orlando it's starting 2 in Battier, and maybe even starting 4 in Landry... Plus a pick..I don't like that we lose JJ but, oh well.I like that trade very much, and to be honest Houston would be dumb to not consider it..

When you think it's so great initially, it's most likely isn't a fair deal.

Also, most Rocket fans will veto it since they seem to always think their players are better than anyone else. But IMO, this trade wouldn't work that well with Houston.

They lack depth and talent at the 4. Landry was their most consistent power forward in the playoffs. He's young and full of potential. He's most likely their future starting 4 maybe even late next season. Hedo is clearly the best player in this deal, but he's more of a poor man's McGrady. They play a very similar type of game with their play making ability and versatility. How to incorporate both of them in the same system would be difficult since their skills are redundant.

I like this for Orlando, but not for Houston.

sportsrock37 · Post #18 » by **sportsrock37** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:41 pm

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The way I look at it is that Houston needs another play maker alongside Tmac. While Landry is a loss, they still got Scola and (hopefully) a healthy Yao and Chuck Hayes to come off the bench. They've been very successful drafting backup bigs in the 2nd round and maybe it'd continue this season. So basically the upgrade big time on offense in the starting lineup and downgrade a little defense and depth.

I got a question, would you guys do it if it was a 2nd rather than a 1st? I'm still debating it myself, but I think I'd do it.

Post #19 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 4:24 pm

I don't like this trade for the Magic. Hedo is much better than Battier, and Laundry is still very unproven though wildly efficient. Throwing in their 1st is a start but not enough.

ProfX · Post #20 » by **ProfX** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:10 pm

I like this trade. I would honestly just do Hedo for Battier straight up. I think Houston would too.

I do not think Houston gives up a big without getting back a big as they need them as badly as we do. Maybe we throw Fran in there and we get a second rounder from them and it works out ok. I think they are going to have to decide what to do with Landry and Scola. One of them is going to be the starter,and I think that means one gets traded. It's not that one couldn't come off the bench, I just think they are going to both be excellent enforcer type PFs in the league. I really like Scola's game.

If I was Otis, I would start with this trade straight up and see what else Houston wants to part with. Hedo and Battier are very different players. I think we are better with moving Hedo now for something that makes the team stronger defensively and allows Lewis to move to the 3. All we need from the 2 is spot up three pointers, rebounding and defense. That is Battier to a T.