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We solved our problems at SG(not saying Peitrus is the savior or anything but him and the rook will do just fine) but we still need another big man. Battie will make us slightly better and everyone else is pretty much irrelevant(looking at you Foyle). We need another serviceable big man.

kwame for cheap would be good but the board looks 50/50 on that one but I am for it

i cant see how anyone would object to Kwame for cheap...

Kurt Thomas?

magloire, ratliff, o'bryant, harrison, wright and skinner are a few guys we can look at. wright or skinner are on the top of my list. can never have enough veteran big guys.

This reminds me of last season...listing all the FA big men and hoping for a while. Hopefully this time we land some one a little better than Foyle. Foyle was servicable, but not really a contributor.

What about Channing Frye

Not much of a trade artist but looking at the rosters, I think that we(meaning POR and ORL) make pretty good trading partners.

Bogans for Frye

JJ for Frye

Or even Reggie Evans, A rough & dirty player that we lack, that can bang up opposing bigs

There arent any minutes left in the rotaion for a PF/C. Tony plays 20 mins per game between both spots, always has. There are only 96 available mins between the two, Dwight and Rashard average 38 mpg each. Thats 10+10 which equals Tony Battie time. Any extra big that we bring in is just exactly that..EXTRA.

Either the new big is the extra or Tony will be the 6mill a year extra. Either way, 20 mins is all that is there. Thats why a extra PF/C combo is needed just incase Tony, Shard or God forbid Dwight goes down.

Pietrus has Evans 20 minutes at SG and Evans 11 minutes backing up Hedo at SF.
The only rotation minutes left unaccounted for are the 18-20 minutes behind Jameer. That is priority #1 now.


PG Nelson 29
PG ?????? 19

SG Lee 28
SG Pietrus 20

SF Turkoglu 37
SF Pietrus 11

PF Lewis 38
PF Battie 10

C Howard 38
C Battie 10

Yes. Pietrus will most likely start but that doesnt change the basics of it all.

Neon1 wrote:There arent any minutes left in the rotaion for a PF/C. Tony plays 20 mins per game between both spots, always has. There are only 96 available mins between the two, Dwight and Rashard average 38 mpg each. Thats 10+10 which equals Tony Battie time. Any extra big that we bring in is just exactly that..EXTRA.

Either the new big is the extra or Tony will be the 6mill a year extra. Either way, 20 mins is all that is there. Thats why a extra PF/C combo is needed just incase Tony, Shard or God forbid Dwight goes down.


The only rotation minutes left unaccounted for are the 18-20 minutes behind Jameer. That is priority #1 now. Pietrus has Evans minutes and the 12 minutes backing up Hedo at SF.

While I agree with you that the PF/C isn't a huge need, I do expect Shard to play more SF this year. Honestly I expect him to get most of the minutes at SF when Hedo isn't there. I see it as Dwight won't play 10 mins, Shard won't play 12 mins, Hedo won't play 12 mins, so we technically have about 34-36 mins to split up. Battie for 20 Cook for 10, Gortat for 5 seems solid, but I'd like to get at least a veteran guy just in case Battie goes down or to cut Battie's minutes a little.

But we still need a big man for key match ups when it matters the most. Frye would actually work fairly well on offense cause he likes to take a lot of jumpers which creates good spacing down low. A bit worried about his defense.

sportsrock37 wrote:

Neon1 wrote:While I agree with you that the PF/C isn't a huge need, I do expect Shard to play more SF this year. Honestly I expect him to get most of the minutes at SF when Hedo isn't there. I see it as Dwight won't play 10 mins, Shard won't play 12 mins, Hedo won't play 12 mins, so we technically have about 34-36 mins to split up. Battie for 20 Cook for 10, Gortat for 5 seems solid, but I'd like to get at least a veteran guy just in case Battie goes down or to cut Battie's minutes a little.

Shard plays only 5 mins a game at SF, Honestly i dont get the obssesion with OMG we need Rashard to be called the "SF", Rashard is fine where hes at. Battie helps with the more rugged types like Maxiell etc. We also need another PF that is around for situations like that. On a night by night basis, Rashard is the one with the advantage at that position not the opponent. On the nights that he is not, theres Battie and whoever we find that only comes in at these special case times.

Rashard isnt gonna be some 25ppg scorer just because we label him the SF. Shard averages 18-19 because he is paired with TWO other 18-20 point a game players. That gets us 50+ wins, It seems most here would rather gut the talent off this team just so we can call Rashard a SF and try to get him at 23ppg...even if it means going 42-40.

Neon1 wrote:

sportsrock37 wrote:

Neon1 wrote:While I agree with you that the PF/C isn't a huge need, I do expect Shard to play more SF this year. Honestly I expect him to get most of the minutes at SF when Hedo isn't there. I see it as Dwight won't play 10 mins, Shard won't play 12 mins, Hedo won't play 12 mins, so we technically have about 34-36 mins to split up. Battie for 20 Cook for 10, Gortat for 5 seems solid, but I'd like to get at least a veteran guy just in case Battie goes down or to cut Battie's minutes a little.

Shard plays only 5 mins a game at SF, Honestly i dont get the obssesion with OMG we need Rashard to be called the "SF", Rashard is fine where hes at. Battie helps with the more rugged types like Maxiell etc. We also need another PF that is around for situations like that. On a night by night basis, Rashard is the one with the advantage at that position not the opponent. On the nights that he is not, theres Battie and whoever we find that only comes in at these special case times.

Rashard isnt gonna be some 25ppg scorer just because we label him the SF. Shard averages 18-19 because he is paired with TWO other 18-20 point a game players. That gets us 50+ wins, It seems most here would rather gut the talent off this team just so we can call Rashard a SF and try to get him at 23ppg...even if it means going 42-40.

I completely agree with you about that. I don't really know where you got that from when I said we have about 35 mins or so to spend on the backups. All I was saying is that when Hedo is off the floor we are probably better off with Shard at SF and Battie or a different big playing PF next to Dwight in a more protytpical lineup. I'm not saying start Shard at SF and play a ton at SF, just the 10-15 mins that Hedo is sitting. When Hedo is in the game, he should be SF and Shard should be PF because that is the best possible lineup we could put on the court.

if we land any type tough quality rotation big like Thomas, Brown, Elson this off season is a win...if we end up with the likes of Doleac or similar, it's more of a meh, wait and see...

we need to bring in one or two of these guys Thomas, Harrison, Magloire or Alexander Johnson

sportsrock37 wrote:

Neon1 wrote:

sportsrock37 wrote:I completely agree with you about that. I don't really know where you got that from when I said we have about 35 mins or so to spend on the backups. All I was saying is that when Hedo is off the floor we are probably better off with Shard at SF and Battie or a different big playing PF next to Dwight in a more protytpical lineup. I'm not saying start Shard at SF and play a ton at SF, just the 10-15 mins that Hedo is sitting. When Hedo is in the game, he should be SF and Shard should be PF because that is the best possible lineup we could put on the court.

I know you werent getting at that, its just that i dont post much so i address a few things that i read at once, i started off with you then i kninda veer off into other issues i have seen for a while but hadnt forced me to post about them in the past. My bad.

Magloire is done, he's worse off than Foyle, Thomas will probably re-sign with the Spurs but I have my hopes up for it, and Harrison is a giant problem, and coincidentally enough I believe the Denver Thuggets have interest in him...

theTHIEF wrote:Magloire is done, he's worse off than Foyle, Thomas will probably re-sign with the Spurs but I have my hopes up for it, and Harrison is a giant problem, and coincidentally enough I believe the Denver Thuggets have interest in him...

and Kwame(worst draft pick ever) and Fransico are better in your eyes?

Kwame and Elson are better than Magloire, yes...Thomas? no...Harrison? yes, maybe not on "upside" or muscle, but they dont have mental issues...Elson is the hardest worker of the bunch, he would be a great player next to Dwight, he would give Dwight a hell of a workout, and he plays really good interior ball...Kwame a good defensive guy with more offensive potential than Dwight, but not a great player altogether, still brings some solid attributes for this team...

theTHIEF wrote:Kwame and Elson are better than Magloire, yes...Thomas? no...Harrison? yes, maybe not on "upside" or muscle, but they dont have mental issues...Elson is the hardest worker of the bunch, he would be a great player next to Dwight, he would give Dwight a hell of a workout, and he plays really good interior ball...Kwame a good defensive guy with more offensive potential than Dwight, but not a great player altogether, still brings some solid attributes for this team...

sorry, Kwame has more moves offensively than Dwight...maybe "potential" isnt the right word...