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So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves.

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So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#1 » by Pancho_Pantera » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:56 am

The hook shot and that spin he does to his right. I don't know how he continues to get away with his spin move since it's so predictable but he's been effective more than ever. The best thing I like about his game is his hook shot has improved dramatically. Plus he has gotten a lot better in getting post position for the entry past, and even when he is a bit outside the box, he has gotten really good in backing down his opponent. I'm impressed with the strides he has made in his post game and now I feel confident having him take big shots in the fourth quarter. His passing/awareness from the post has improved but I still think he can get better. A lot of people want him to have a jump shot but he continues to establish himself as a back to the basket player.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#2 » by OMPunk » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:08 am

There have been plenty of dominant post players without a jump shot or strong mid range game. I am more then ok with Dwight being the player he is. I would much rather Dwight pump fake more (ala the Dream) then be able to shoot a jumper.

I seriously doubt we will ever see Dwight taking 3 pointers in the playoffs like Duncan is doing.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#3 » by drsd » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:08 am

Howard looks to be developing a very effective half-hook shot. That looks to be is signature move.

But, a 10 foot baseline-jumper would lead to a dominant three-shot arsenal.

Power-dunk, half-hook, short jumper: That is a Ewing- and Olajuwon-type offensive repertoire.

Howard will get 10 points a game for the rest of his a career on put-back dunks. Add 10 points on power moves, 6 points on hook shots, and 4 points on baseline jumpers, Howard would be a 30 ppg guy. (FT totals inclusive to those numbers).
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Post#4 » by MagicStarwipe » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:20 am

Plus he is pump faking and using an up and under move now. He's getting there.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#5 » by fendilim » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:10 am

I noticed the up and under move last game, glad to see Patrick adding more arsenals for Dwight.

But to say that Dwight doesn't need to improve his outside shot is illogical, IMO.

Lots of factors into this, Dwight is not a gifted scorer. Two, he is a little short against most of the players in his position. His game is basically based on athleticism right now. If he comes of age, he'll wont be able to dunk on people anymore.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#6 » by UCFJayBird » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:51 am

he gets away with the spin move because the defender is trying to stay with Dwight and brace for contact. They get stuck in the mud so to speak. Dwight makes them think he's going toward the middle, and as they brace for the bump, their legs lock up so Dwight is able to spin the other direction. Very effective. However, when a player reads that he's going to spin it's not as effective and Dwight has to take a poor shot.

I'm really disappointed that Dwight didn't take more jumpers this year. At the start of the year he was taking 1-2 a game, and he was making some of em. Then all of a sudden it disappeared again.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#7 » by DrunkOnMystery » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:53 am

drsd wrote:Howard looks to be developing a very effective half-hook shot. That looks to be is signature move.

But, a 10 foot baseline-jumper would lead to a dominant three-shot arsenal.

Power-dunk, half-hook, short jumper: That is a Ewing- and Olajuwon-type offensive repertoire.

Howard will get 10 points a game for the rest of his a career on put-back dunks. Add 10 points on power moves, 6 points on hook shots, and 4 points on baseline jumpers, Howard would be a 30 ppg guy. (FT totals inclusive to those numbers).


I agree that Dwight should always focus primarily on a power post game, which at this point is virtually a lost art form in the NBA. The hesitation up and under move is a good variation of the baseline spin banking layup he's been shooting all year. I don't think Dwight gets nearly enough credit for some of his smaller developments (like his off-hand development from year to year, for instance).

However, if Dwight were ever able to develop a reliable 10-12' face up bank shot, he'd pretty much have free run of the league. He's already the quickest center in the NBA, and such a bank shot would force opposing centers to guard him tight. Up-fake on the bankshot: if the defender stays home, shoot it over their heads. If they close out on it, blow past them. Additionally, the variety of options for Dwight would help keep opposing teams' help defenders and double-teamers off balance.

Once we get that, all we'll need is for people to start actually cutting away from the ball, and we'll be good to go.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#8 » by Captain Obvious » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:04 pm

He has a couple of decent moves. I'd like to see him continue to work on the 10-12 ft bank shot and the baby hook. Also, he really needs to stop trying to go baseline.
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Post#9 » by CourtsideTV » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:07 pm

all i wanna say is...stan van gundy needs to go..we need to replace him with doc rivers, johnny davis, or brianhill
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#10 » by DHoward4Mvp » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:39 pm

UCFJayBird wrote:he gets away with the spin move because the defender is trying to stay with Dwight and brace for contact. They get stuck in the mud so to speak. Dwight makes them think he's going toward the middle, and as they brace for the bump, their legs lock up so Dwight is able to spin the other direction. Very effective. However, when a player reads that he's going to spin it's not as effective and Dwight has to take a poor shot.

I'm really disappointed that Dwight didn't take more jumpers this year. At the start of the year he was taking 1-2 a game, and he was making some of em. Then all of a sudden it disappeared again.

What games were you watching?? I think he attempted exactly 5 jumpshots, the Tim Duncan bank off the glass.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#11 » by MagicHolland » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:31 pm

Pancho_Pantera wrote:The hook shot and that spin he does to his right. I don't know how he continues to get away with his spin move since it's so predictable but he's been effective more than ever. The best thing I like about his game is his hook shot has improved dramatically. Plus he has gotten a lot better in getting post position for the entry past, and even when he is a bit outside the box, he has gotten really good in backing down his opponent. I'm impressed with the strides he has made in his post game and now I feel confident having him take big shots in the fourth quarter. His passing/awareness from the post has improved but I still think he can get better. A lot of people want him to have a jump shot but he continues to establish himself as a back to the basket player.


Part of this is because he's so far being played 1-1 in this series and he's sure taking advantage of that..
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Post#12 » by DHoward4Mvp » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:39 pm

^^^^ Exactly.... And Sammy D isnt the most physical player out there....And Theo Ratliff, is what, 53 years old???
Just keep improving Dwight, its pretty much all we can ask for. And i say hes doing a hell of a job improving...
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#13 » by Last Guardian » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:48 pm

He has shown more than those two moves. The up and under, step through, a couple pump fakes, etc. He is showing a lot in this series.

I certainly won't complain about it, but I am a little confused. Towards the end of the season he looked pretty bad offensively, and suddenly he has this arsenal of post moves? Perhaps he was saving it all for the playoffs so that no one would be prepared to guard him.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#14 » by damo[23] » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:01 pm

Alot of good points.

While it would be fantastic for that face up shot to come on, and to get some confidence in it, I think the next step he can take is the fake - so many times I feel he could just fake and get the guy off his feet and thats the battle won.
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Post#15 » by glennathan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:18 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:all i wanna say is...stan van gundy needs to go..we need to replace him with doc rivers, johnny davis, or brianhill


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Post#16 » by N4U|Redux » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:43 pm

glennathan wrote:
CourtsideTV wrote:all i wanna say is...stan van gundy needs to go..we need to replace him with doc rivers, johnny davis, or brianhill


missing the green font are we??


wtf is "the green font" supposed to mean?

i didn't get the TPS report somewhere along the way.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#17 » by glennathan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:04 pm

N4U|Redux wrote:
glennathan wrote:
CourtsideTV wrote:all i wanna say is...stan van gundy needs to go..we need to replace him with doc rivers, johnny davis, or brianhill


missing the green font are we??


wtf is "the green font" supposed to mean?

i didn't get the TPS report somewhere along the way.


green font is to represent sarcasm. I thought that Courtside was being sarcastic and that he forgot the green font.

We did send out the TPS reports through email this time. N4U did you not get the email??
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Post#18 » by N4U|Redux » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:13 pm

glennathan wrote:green font is to represent sarcasm. I thought that Courtside was being sarcastic and that he forgot the green font.

We did send out the TPS reports through email this time. N4U did you not get the email??


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Post#19 » by Bay_Areas_Finest » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:25 pm

I really would like Dwight to keep working on his Tim Duncan banker. It would make his offensive game so much scarier. I have no idea why he doesn't try it more often. Atleast throw it in once or twice a game.
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Re: So basically all Howard needs on offense is two moves. 

Post#20 » by trebone » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:48 pm

if he can get himself to a 75-80% free throw shooter those 2 moves alone will bring him another 4 ppg on his season averages

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