Game 7: Sixers - Bulls....Embiid trade watch

[youngcrev]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Tough ask with that contract, and just moving him for trash certainly doesn't help.

Could just limit them as a 3/4 combo. It's been a pretty good 4/5 combo for them.

[76ciology]

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[Murray_17]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Where can you trade him?

Teams are gonna tank hard for Wembanyama in the second half of the season so no tanking team is gonna take on Harris and we would need to attach a pick or two next to him.

I don't see a possible trade for Harris until next season when he's expiring and most of that money is gonna be needed to max Maxey.

[Kobblehead]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Where can you trade him?

Teams are gonna tank hard for Wembanyama in the second half of the season so no tanking team is gonna take on Harris and we would need to attach a pick or two next to him.

I don't see a possible trade for Harris until next season when he's expiring and most of that money is gonna be needed to max Maxey.

I'm thinking a team like Dallas could make sense.

Dallas is going to be a playoff team and they could be looking to add a little extra firepower because they lack scoring options.

It would probably be more of a salary dump trade. Harris and Korkmaz/Milton for Bertans, Bullock, Powell, and a future 1st rounder. Maybe 1 of 2 of those guys cracks our rotation.

[HotelVitale]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Tough ask with that contract, and just moving him for trash certainly doesn't help.

Could just limit them as a 3/4 combo. It's been a pretty good 4/5 combo for them.

Right, let’s stop the scapegoat talk before it gets started. If we could move him for someone better, sure, let’s have lots of threads and posts about that. But ‘he sucks and the team is better off without him’ is boring and all of us are smarter than that. He’s not a perfect fit and not an answer for us, but he’s not the problem and it’s not like benching him increases our title odds.

[NYSixersFan]

You should be able to move Tobias for two role players.

[HotelVitale]

Maxey is a better fit than Durant. Who may not mesh with Embiid and Hardens usage.


Tobias for a athletic 3 and D is the better move. Someone who can actual pass and dribble with both hands would be nice .

Been saying it for a long time...Tobias is the biggest cancer of this team, yet somehow often manages to escape most of the blame. He's just an impossible fit AND is a proven choker. Elton Brand bringing him here is an underrated franchise crippling move.

You’re talking about two totally different things. Yes trading for and maxing Tobias was a bad move and cost us a lot, no Tobias is not a ‘cancer’ on the current team and the reason we’re not a real contender at the moment. The team now isn’t premised on him doing anymore than taking some open shots and doing what he’s most comfortable with. If it fails it’s because Harden, Embiid, and Maxey can’t outplay other stars, there’s enough shooting, athleticism, and defense around them now and Harris is a small (and not ideal) part of that.

Anyway you can’t translate ‘there’s a better fit out there and it’s sucks we don’t have him’ into ‘this guy is a total cancer and the reason we suck.’ It’s bad analysis and boring sports talk and there’s no need for another year of it. Harris makes too much money to get us anything positive, do what you need to do to get mad at that, it sucks, not a good situation. But please don’t let his contract and the E Brand stuff become a dumb fixation on Tobias as this player on this team.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Tobias has morphed himself into a great role player on this team and should be getting praise right now. His 3Pr is 55% (double last year), stock rate is 4.3% (best of his career), and usage is way down. He’s making quicker decisions and bombing away from 3 shooting 41% from deep.

Will he still choke in the clutch? Maybe. Will it matter if Embiid/Harden also choke in the clutch like normal? No.

[Kobblehead]

Tobias Harris is legitimately a shoot/defend/pass stud for us right now. The problem is that I'm not super confident he's going to sustain this defense.

[Arsenal]

Crying that Morey won't trade Tobias is foolish since there's no good trade out there for him. Making a bad trade just for the sake of trading him is stupid.

And for now he's embracing his role and doing what we need. So we can live with him if a good trade isn't available.

[youngcrev]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Tough ask with that contract, and just moving him for trash certainly doesn't help.

Could just limit them as a 3/4 combo. It's been a pretty good 4/5 combo for them.

Right, let’s stop the scapegoat talk before it gets started. If we could move him for someone better, sure, let’s have lots of threads and posts about that. But ‘he sucks and the team is better off without him’ is boring and all of us are smarter than that. He’s not a perfect fit and not an answer for us, but he’s not the problem and it’s not like benching him increases our title odds.

And honestly, for the most part, he's playing how they need him to play. He's averaging the highest volume and percentage from 3 in his career. He's basically been an overpaid, over qualified 3+D role player for them this year. There's players that could fill out that role better for cheaper... But I don't know who's doing us that favor in a league that covers 3+D wings, and it's not like we have a ton of excess assets to add.

[ankle420breaker]

PJ should slide to the bench just because Tobias is a damn good power forward who's embraced and adjusted to his role for the betterment of the team. We always try to force him into a SF role and it's too unnatural. Insert Thybulle at the three and let Tobias flourish in his natural position.

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[the_process]

I won't take Morey seriously if Tobias is still on the team past the trade deadline. He has to go. Tobias & Tucker at the 3/4 is really dumb.

Where can you trade him?

Teams are gonna tank hard for Wembanyama in the second half of the season so no tanking team is gonna take on Harris and we would need to attach a pick or two next to him.

I don't see a possible trade for Harris until next season when he's expiring and most of that money is gonna be needed to max Maxey.

Bulls and Hornets both look like feasible landing spots. And we always have the Mavs and the Kings.

[Murray_17]

Bulls and Hornets both look like feasible landing spots. And we always have the Mavs and the Kings.

Why would any of those teams want Tobias?

The Bulls would need to send us a ton of salary which basically means they would want to blow their team up

[youngcrev]

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All part of the Zach LaVine experience.

[Zumramania]

Maxey is a better fit than Durant. Who may not mesh with Embiid and Hardens usage.


Tobias for a athletic 3 and D is the better move. Someone who can actual pass and dribble with both hands would be nice .

Been saying it for a long time...Tobias is the biggest cancer of this team, yet somehow often manages to escape most of the blame. He's just an impossible fit AND is a proven choker. Elton Brand bringing him here is an underrated franchise crippling move.

You’re talking about two totally different things. Yes trading for and maxing Tobias was a bad move and cost us a lot, no Tobias is not a ‘cancer’ on the current team and the reason we’re not a real contender at the moment. The team now isn’t premised on him doing anymore than taking some open shots and doing what he’s most comfortable with. If it fails it’s because Harden, Embiid, and Maxey can’t outplay other stars, there’s enough shooting, athleticism, and defense around them now and Harris is a small (and not ideal) part of that.

Anyway you can’t translate ‘there’s a better fit out there and it’s sucks we don’t have him’ into ‘this guy is a total cancer and the reason we suck.’ It’s bad analysis and boring sports talk and there’s no need for another year of it. Harris makes too much money to get us anything positive, do what you need to do to get mad at that, it sucks, not a good situation. But please don’t let his contract and the E Brand stuff become a dumb fixation on Tobias as this player on this team.

Ok, it was maybe a bit harsh of me to call him like that. But this is a product of years of second round playoff frustrations, where we fought some very close battles and Tobias repedeatly came up short. It was always the same song and dance: in the regular season oh he is very efficient, he may be overpaid, but he is good in his role etc., and then comes the second round of the playoffs and he dissapears during entire third and fourth quarters and/or chokes and underperforms. Close losses against Toronto and Atlanta, also the loss against Miami. Other players were blamed, but had Tobias just played his role as he should have - hitting some threes and scoring some buckets in moments when the opponent's defense was focused on other Sixer players who are perceived as the biggest threats, who knows how far we would have gone. And also his soft spoken mentality, it's all just so anti-playoff.

And although I agree that now we have bigger problems than him and he is even maybe not a problem right now, wait until we consolidate a bit and the second round of playoffs comes around and we start playing those very tight and electrified games. Maybe some other coach would know what to do, but I personally think that both Tobias and Glenn need to be gone for us to be able to do something big in playoffs. We'll see.

[76ciology]

When your Embiid struggle on scoring? Tobias fault
When Ben can’t score? Tobias fault
When Tucker does not improve defense? Tobias fault

What’s next? Climate change is also Tobias fault?

If Embiid does not fold in the playoffs, if Ben can score and if Tucker improved our defense, it won’t be Tobias fault.

What’s the alternative with the Tobias money back in 2019? FA Guards who Ben Simmons dont want to replace him and FA stretch bigs (Al) who Biid dont want to play with because he values MVP over winning the ring?

Tobias is overpaid. But let’s be realistic.

That’s how FA market is with our team. Unless there’s some fishy stuff going like how our latest offseason went, it’s impossible to get guys to play on this team unless they truly suck or we have to overpay them.

Btw, softer DLo that Wolves dont plan to re-sign or oft injured Brogdon would have been a bigger problem

Who cares about cap anyway? The owners are willing to spend for it. Look at the payroll of our FO. Brett probably is still on our payroll.

The reason why I hate all the complaining is the guy accepted his role, improved his game (better shooter) and is plus player (highest on vs off), he is doing everything FOR THE TEAM.

Accepting a role is not easy. Look at the body language of Embiid, Harden or Maxey when they are asked to play at a pace they dont want and a smaller role on offense.

We had to overpay Doc. We had to overpay Morey.

Bro, nobody DECENT is coming here if they aren’t overpaid. This ain’t LA.

We even had to OVERPAY $10M per year just to get 37yo PJ Tucker to sign with us.

[76ciology]

And you think Jae Crowder is gonna be the savior of this team?

Jae Crowder is almost the same height with Harden and Tucker but has SHORTER wingspan than both guys. So technically, he’s shorter than both guys.

He is a bad defender in the playoffs.
Average rebounder and bad rim protector.

The only reason why he looks like he’s gonna be our savior is you are looking at the surface and you see a muscular guy that looks tough with his braided hair that looks mad and shouting all the game like one of those energetic guys off the bench.

A 9ppg 5rpg player isnt gonna save this team

[M2J]

Just to add, for his role.... Not his contract.... Tobias was strong AF in the playoffs last year.

He's been strong this year. I don't even know why this continues to be a thing unless you can package him for a star not a bunch of scrubs. The Melton trade, Maxey and Tisse development and James Hardens friends helped the depth issue.

Let the man live

[Bum Adebayo]

Tobias Sorrys is clearly the issue, trade him and I promise you Embiid and Harden won't choke in Playoffs anymore!