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Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season

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Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season

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shut down Embiid for the season and PG until he is healthy
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#61 » by sixers hoops » Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:51 am

76ciology wrote:Patrick Ewing played 78 games at age 34. Was an allstar and 8th in MVP.


Why are we worried about Embiid’s age? We just need his knees to get fixed. If a surgery to fix his knees and get him back relatively healthy for 2026-27 is realistic, then he will be fine. His age isn’t really the issue. He just needs to be able to play without constant pain. Most star players are good until 34, who don’t have massive injuries and take care of themselves.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#62 » by youngcrev » Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:22 am

sixers hoops wrote:
76ciology wrote:Patrick Ewing played 78 games at age 34. Was an allstar and 8th in MVP.


Why are we worried about Embiid’s age? We just need his knees to get fixed. If a surgery to fix his knees and get him back relatively healthy for 2026-27 is realistic, then he will be fine. His age isn’t really the issue. He just needs to be able to play without constant pain. Most star players are good until 34, who don’t have massive injuries and take care of themselves.


Future Headlines:
"Embiid to get experimental surgery; Harris hopeful he'll return to the court on his way back from the hospital"

"Embiid out of shape, reportedly over 300 lbs"

"Embiid to miss entire 25-26 season"

"Embiid ramp up to begin"

"Embiid set to debut, reportedly in the best shape of his entire life"

"Debut delayed: Ramp higher than anticipated"

"Embiid's breaks face in return"
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#63 » by youngcrev » Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:30 am

Just saw a Shams report (ESPN clip) that they are getting imaging done on Embiid's knee early this week and weighing options. Hopefully this is it.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#64 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Feb 24, 2025 11:57 am

"We tried to get some imaging done on Embiids knee but the machine kept breaking down"

"Embiid to be re-evaluated in 10 days"
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#65 » by ReggiesKnicks » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:12 pm

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-surgery-shut-down-20250224.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=

The original plan was to let Embiid get used to playing with pain, the way Dwyane Wade did during his Hall of Fame career, regularly draining the knee and injecting it with platelet-rich plasma (PRP). Sixers doctors and experts interviewed by The Inquirer considered this the best way for Embiid to rehabilitate the injury for the long-term. Once it reached a certain point of healing, resting the knee would not help it recover; it would, in fact, hurt it.

However, it has been several weeks since Embiid has gotten better. Lately he’s gotten worse. NBA sources say the big guy has become morose about his latest injury battle as a series of ominous options loom — options that could cost him the rest of this season and maybe some of the next.

The same Sixer who made “orbital bone fracture” and “navicular bone fracture” common phrases in Philadelphia sports lexicon — he’s had two of each — might soon add one of these: microfracture surgery; meniscus replacement; low-dose radiation therapy; or even the ominous-sounding osteotomy, in which doctors break a bone in the hip to realign the joint to alleviate pressure.

One source called the procedures “radical” in light of the mundane injury and surgery that brought Embiid to this point. For some reason, what should have been a routine rehab and a routine return to play has gone horribly wrong.

Doctors with whom The Inquirer spoke over the past weeks say some of these procedures require six months to a year before an athlete can return to full action, and that any return will invariably come with long-term limitations.


Move over Bradley Beal, there is a new worst contract in the NBA.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#66 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:25 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-surgery-shut-down-20250224.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=

The original plan was to let Embiid get used to playing with pain, the way Dwyane Wade did during his Hall of Fame career, regularly draining the knee and injecting it with platelet-rich plasma (PRP). Sixers doctors and experts interviewed by The Inquirer considered this the best way for Embiid to rehabilitate the injury for the long-term. Once it reached a certain point of healing, resting the knee would not help it recover; it would, in fact, hurt it.

However, it has been several weeks since Embiid has gotten better. Lately he’s gotten worse. NBA sources say the big guy has become morose about his latest injury battle as a series of ominous options loom — options that could cost him the rest of this season and maybe some of the next.

The same Sixer who made “orbital bone fracture” and “navicular bone fracture” common phrases in Philadelphia sports lexicon — he’s had two of each — might soon add one of these: microfracture surgery; meniscus replacement; low-dose radiation therapy; or even the ominous-sounding osteotomy, in which doctors break a bone in the hip to realign the joint to alleviate pressure.

One source called the procedures “radical” in light of the mundane injury and surgery that brought Embiid to this point. For some reason, what should have been a routine rehab and a routine return to play has gone horribly wrong.

Doctors with whom The Inquirer spoke over the past weeks say some of these procedures require six months to a year before an athlete can return to full action, and that any return will invariably come with long-term limitations.


Move over Bradley Beal, there is a new worst contract in the NBA.


Impossible, he's the second worst. Paul George is the worst because he can neither stay healthy or play well when available.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#67 » by the_process » Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:07 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-surgery-shut-down-20250224.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=

The original plan was to let Embiid get used to playing with pain, the way Dwyane Wade did during his Hall of Fame career, regularly draining the knee and injecting it with platelet-rich plasma (PRP). Sixers doctors and experts interviewed by The Inquirer considered this the best way for Embiid to rehabilitate the injury for the long-term. Once it reached a certain point of healing, resting the knee would not help it recover; it would, in fact, hurt it.

However, it has been several weeks since Embiid has gotten better. Lately he’s gotten worse. NBA sources say the big guy has become morose about his latest injury battle as a series of ominous options loom — options that could cost him the rest of this season and maybe some of the next.

The same Sixer who made “orbital bone fracture” and “navicular bone fracture” common phrases in Philadelphia sports lexicon — he’s had two of each — might soon add one of these: microfracture surgery; meniscus replacement; low-dose radiation therapy; or even the ominous-sounding osteotomy, in which doctors break a bone in the hip to realign the joint to alleviate pressure.

One source called the procedures “radical” in light of the mundane injury and surgery that brought Embiid to this point. For some reason, what should have been a routine rehab and a routine return to play has gone horribly wrong.

Doctors with whom The Inquirer spoke over the past weeks say some of these procedures require six months to a year before an athlete can return to full action, and that any return will invariably come with long-term limitations.


Move over Bradley Beal, there is a new worst contract in the NBA.


The Sixers could still theoretically trade Embiid anywhere. The Suns cannot trade Beal without his consent. Next year you may have a point, though.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#68 » by FireMorey » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:52 pm

I still think there's probably an element of Embiid being a drama queen in all this. How much of it, who knows. He was evaluated by more than half a dozen doctors. They all agreed that he should be able to play. So either the doctors are all wrong or there's a psychological element to it where he doesn't trust the knee fully and he's putting on a bit of a performance to make it look worse than it is. Kinda like when someone rolls an ankle and they stay in a game. And they aren't limping too bad. And then they airball a shot and suddenly they're limping much worse. "Feel sorry for me please" type of a deal.

You get more sympathy when you're struggling with pain than trying to relay to people you're struggling because you don't psychologically trust the knee yet.

Throwing that out there as a possibility, not saying that is the case for sure.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#69 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:56 pm

If his knee is swelling up all the time, I don't think it's psychological.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#70 » by FireMorey » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:01 pm

I'm skeptical his knee is swelling as much as they say.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#71 » by phillynative » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:16 pm

Intaweb starting to float around the retirement notions
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#72 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:22 pm

How about they found out if the knee is degenerative and then make a determination from there? He's done if this is a Brandon Roy/Andrew Bynum situation. With Roy he had his meniscus removed which basically ended his career. His knees were basically lacking any cartilage and he had to call it a career. Bynum had MCL tears and then had thr bowling accident. Paired with a crappy work ethic Bynum was forced to call it a day as well. With Bynum I remember it started out as a "bone bruise." The idea was that he had to rest it until the cartilage was right again. It obviously never happened.
Joel is either headed down the same road as those two OR he's a surgery away from getting it right. I remember Bynum tried all of the knee injections and lubricants as well to no avail.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#73 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:32 pm

phillynative wrote:Intaweb starting to float around the retirement notions


$50 mil a year to rehab? I'd just rehab at that point instead of retiring.
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Re: Is it time to shut Embiid down for the season 

Post#74 » by Slacktard » Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:00 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:How about they found out if the knee is degenerative and then make a determination from there? He's done if this is a Brandon Roy/Andrew Bynum situation. With Roy he had his meniscus removed which basically ended his career. His knees were basically lacking any cartilage and he had to call it a career. Bynum had MCL tears and then had thr bowling accident. Paired with a crappy work ethic Bynum was forced to call it a day as well. With Bynum I remember it started out as a "bone bruise." The idea was that he had to rest it until the cartilage was right again. It obviously never happened.
Joel is either headed down the same road as those two OR he's a surgery away from getting it right. I remember Bynum tried all of the knee injections and lubricants as well to no avail.


I'm going to question just what type of insurance coverage they were able to get on Embiid's extension when he has a littered injury history. It's possible the Sixers could end up with the 'cap relief' ruling at some point, but I don't think they're due for a bail out from insurance on Embiid.

Also it seems like some of the stuff coming out seems to be Embiid's reluctance/inability to deal with the pain/discomfort and while not completely psychological, it may be something other players were able to deal with. Which could make a full 'incapacitated' type ruling unlikely as well.

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