Trade Values: Embiid, Harden, and Simmons

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Still dont think a team will trade for Embiid?

4 first round picks for Bane. They could have called us for Grimes and we’d give Grimes for a couple of first.

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Still dont think a team will trade for Embiid?

4 first round picks for Bane. They could have called us for Grimes and we’d give Grimes for a couple of first.

RealGM has a trade value disease, which started in the T&T + general boards and spread to ours.

Every year, there is a new "LOLZ worst contract in the league!" and real-life trades that completely go against the principles of many posters, yet people are dead-set on being right about their own trade value assessments.

I assure you, no fan predicted Bane for four unprotected 1sts and an unprotected swap. Or the Mikal trade, Luka trade, Gobert trade, Harden trade, Westbrook to LA trade...

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Embiid at this point has little to no value, he's damaged goods.

Last season he was completely useless from a basketball standpoint, he barely played and when he did he was garbage most of the time. Bane was a way more functional and productive player.

Also Embiid is going to make 59M this season (!!!) compared to Bane 36M. And Embiid is locked up 2 more years considering his PO of 69M (!!!!). Bane is 4 years younger and locked up on a reasonable deal for 4 years.


Unless Embiid shows signs of life next season, he's a toxic asset. Maybe there is some dumb team willing to gamble on him, but i highly doubt it right now.


Also NBA playstyle and team building it's shifting away from having players like Embiid eating up your touches on offense, playing inconsistent defense, low motor, and eating a big part of your money on the payroll, and going towards what Orlando is trying to do, having 3/4 really good players that can do a little bit of everything.

[Murray_17]

Also, the era of dumb GMs you can easily fool is almost done. The new CBA is gonna make picks the most likely economy to build contenders because teams are gonna be harder to keep together unless you have a dynasty and don't care about the second apron.

Look at the Suns, they HAVE to trade Durant, and he will normally cost like 5 picks. I doubt the Suns get more than 3. Teams know the Suns have to trade him to improve so they lost leverage, and his age and salary are gonna bring the price down too.

[ProcessDoctor]

So a 37-year-old expiring KD went for Green, Brooks, #10, and five 2nds. I wonder if he'll extend?

That likely takes Houston off any Embiid trade. Would still include Miami, Toronto, Golden State, Minnesota, and New Orleans.

[mjkvol]

So a 37-year-old expiring KD went for Green, Brooks, #10, and five 2nds. I wonder if he'll extend?

That likely takes Houston off any Embiid trade. Would still include Miami, Toronto, Golden State, Minnesota, and New Orleans.

A 37-year old Durant can still produce at a high level. Embiid can't and won't.

Only a horribly dysfunctional franchise would give up any value for Embiid right now.

[ProcessDoctor]

If reports are true, Minnesota offered Gobert, DDV, Dillingham (or Shannon Jr), and #17 for KD.

If they replaced DDV + Dillingham with Randle, I’d do this in a heartbeat for Embiid + Oubre.

[mjkvol]

If reports are true, Minnesota offered Gobert, DDV, Dillingham (or Shannon Jr), and #17 for KD.

If they replaced DDV + Dillingham with Randle, I’d do this in a heartbeat for Embiid + Oubre.

Please explain the slightest similarity between Durant and Embiid at this point, and what would be in a trade like that for MIN other than probably chasing Edwards out of town after they become a lottery team.

[zaz102]

For real. I know its boring, but until the season starts and we see how Embiid plays, he isn't getting traded. And even if he looks good, I can't see Morey trading Embiid unless they have a really poor year and Embiid essentially wants out. I unfortunately see retirement more as an option for Embiid this season than being traded.

I would say its almost the same for PG, but I think there is probably slightly more flexibility on that front.

[the_process]

So a 37-year-old expiring KD went for Green, Brooks, #10, and five 2nds. I wonder if he'll extend?

That likely takes Houston off any Embiid trade. Would still include Miami, Toronto, Golden State, Minnesota, and New Orleans.

A 37-year old Durant can still produce at a high level. Embiid can't and won't.

Only a horribly dysfunctional franchise would give up any value for Embiid right now.

New Orleans, Charlotte... come on down!

EDIT: And how could I forget Phoenix!

[kuclas]

So a 37-year-old expiring KD went for Green, Brooks, #10, and five 2nds. I wonder if he'll extend?

That likely takes Houston off any Embiid trade. Would still include Miami, Toronto, Golden State, Minnesota, and New Orleans.

A 37-year old Durant can still produce at a high level. Embiid can't and won't.

Only a horribly dysfunctional franchise would give up any value for Embiid right now.

Durant scores. He’s always been a gifted scorer. But Durant doesn’t impact the game anymore. Especially on defense. I think people stat watch too much.

We saw embiid score 24/8/3 and he was not impactful.

[ProcessDoctor]

If reports are true, Minnesota offered Gobert, DDV, Dillingham (or Shannon Jr), and #17 for KD.

If they replaced DDV + Dillingham with Randle, I’d do this in a heartbeat for Embiid + Oubre.

Please explain the slightest similarity between Durant and Embiid at this point, and what would be in a trade like that for MIN other than probably chasing Edwards out of town after they become a lottery team.

I think the truth is we don't know what's what with Embiid. Only Embiid and his doctors do.

Our difference on this comes down to one thing - you don't believe any team would take a flier on a star name, and I do. Simple as that.

[mjkvol]

So a 37-year-old expiring KD went for Green, Brooks, #10, and five 2nds. I wonder if he'll extend?

That likely takes Houston off any Embiid trade. Would still include Miami, Toronto, Golden State, Minnesota, and New Orleans.

A 37-year old Durant can still produce at a high level. Embiid can't and won't.

Only a horribly dysfunctional franchise would give up any value for Embiid right now.

Durant scores. He’s always been a gifted scorer. But Durant doesn’t impact the game anymore. Especially on defense. I think people stat watch too much.

We saw embiid score 24/8/3 and he was not impactful.

I don't disagree, but Houston only needs him to do one thing - score - and that's the one thing he can still do at a near elite level. My comment has nothing to do with "stat watching", but how his now limited game fits the one role that Houston desperately needs.

[mjkvol]

If reports are true, Minnesota offered Gobert, DDV, Dillingham (or Shannon Jr), and #17 for KD.

If they replaced DDV + Dillingham with Randle, I’d do this in a heartbeat for Embiid + Oubre.

Please explain the slightest similarity between Durant and Embiid at this point, and what would be in a trade like that for MIN other than probably chasing Edwards out of town after they become a lottery team.

I think the truth is we don't know what's what with Embiid. Only Embiid and his doctors do.

Our difference on this comes down to one thing - you don't believe any team would take a flier on a star name, and I do. Simple as that.

I hear you. I just can't imagine anyone would give up anything of significant value having no idea what, if anything, they would get from Embiid while being saddled with that contract. If he was an expiring, different story.

[Murray_17]

I think the truth is we don't know what's what with Embiid. Only Embiid and his doctors do.

Our difference on this comes down to one thing - you don't believe any team would take a flier on a star name, and I do. Simple as that.

The entire point is that if Embiid and his doctors only know, then that diminish his value when you also add his injury history.

If you put his contract on top of that and the new CBA, it's pretty easy to see why no team is gonna bite. At best, and I'm being extremely generous, you can dump him for bad expirings and picks, and for that to be effective, we would need to dump PG afterward, which would also cost some picks.

Then you're stuck with no assets to improve the team

The only way he becomes valuable again is by playing and producing at some level, close to his contract, next season.

[ProcessDoctor]

Please explain the slightest similarity between Durant and Embiid at this point, and what would be in a trade like that for MIN other than probably chasing Edwards out of town after they become a lottery team.

I think the truth is we don't know what's what with Embiid. Only Embiid and his doctors do.

Our difference on this comes down to one thing - you don't believe any team would take a flier on a star name, and I do. Simple as that.

I hear you. I just can't imagine anyone would give up anything of significant value having no idea what, if anything, they would get from Embiid while being saddled with that contract. If he was an expiring, different story.

I think you give owners and GMs too much credit. Have you been following the Phoenix Suns? They traded four future 1st round swaps for Beal on an albatross with a NTC. Minnesota was highly criticized when they traded for Gobert. Sacramento, New Orleans, Chicago, Dalas, etc. have all done some really stupid **** recently.

You're saying you can't see any team doing it, I'm saying all it takes is one. A GM or owner is sitting at their desk somewhere saying, "We don't have a star and have no avenue of getting one, our best shot is to buy low on someone."

[mjkvol]

I think the truth is we don't know what's what with Embiid. Only Embiid and his doctors do.

Our difference on this comes down to one thing - you don't believe any team would take a flier on a star name, and I do. Simple as that.

I hear you. I just can't imagine anyone would give up anything of significant value having no idea what, if anything, they would get from Embiid while being saddled with that contract. If he was an expiring, different story.

I think you give owners and GMs too much credit. Have you been following the Phoenix Suns? They traded four future 1st round swaps for Beal on an albatross with a NTC. Minnesota was highly criticized when they traded for Gobert. Sacramento, New Orleans, Chicago, Dalas, etc. have all done some really stupid **** recently.

You're saying you can't see any team doing it, I'm saying all it takes is one. A GM or owner is sitting at their desk somewhere saying, "We don't have a star and have no avenue of getting one, our best shot is to buy low on someone."

Again, I hear you and clearly get that there are idiots running organizations. But Beal and Gobert, as awful as those moves were, could play. There's no evidence Embiid will ever be anything but a shell of what he was, and you are into him for four years at max money.

If he proved here he could still be effective, even if he had to be load managed, I wouldn't doubt someone pulling the trigger at the deadline. But as it stands, I can't see it. Hopefully the noise about teams interested in George leads to a draft night move.