76ers @ Suns 3/1/08

[noone]

noone:

I really do not care that they were 2-3 or whatever before the game. The Suns are a good team, they played a good game (it's not like they shot 38% from the field), and the Sixers flat-out beat them.

Period.

While your glass-half-empty routine is well-established around here (and I am sure that your will have a more legitimate game to pull it out after in the future), last night's game is a pretty weak-azz time to do it, IMO.

Yeah, they're a good team. What 19 games above .500? But RIGHT NOW they suck. 2-4 sucks. Period.

I've said numerous times they played a damn good game. Just nothing to get overly excited about. Fool's gold.

And you know maybe if they were able to hold the Suns to 38%, I'd be much more excited about the win and the team. But they gave up 114 points on almost 50% shooting. Forgive me if I'm not satisfied. It's not often the team will be able to score 110+ points to win a game.

[bebopdeluxe]

noone:

What does "fool's gold" mean if it is not a code phrase for denigrating the effort or result?

It was a quality win aganst a good team (albeit a team still figuring out how to integrate a new player). There always seems to be "qualifiers" with you...why can't you just say "hey...great win" and leave it there without throwing something in that cheapens it?

Whatever.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

I'm actually MORE impressed that tehy won with Pheonix scoring like they did. We played their game and beat them at it.

If they held them to the kind of numbers you say, noone, it would surely mean they had an off shooting night and I'd be less likely to pat the Sixers on the back.

Fact remains, Shaq issues or no Shaq issues, we went into the building of a far superior team and beat them at their own game. What's not to like in that?

[dond]

You can tell the basketball fans from the people with real basketball acumen in this thread. The basketball fans are just elated that the Sixers won and Iggy had a great game, but the people with basketball acumen realize that the Suns were 2-4 since the Shaq trade and were giving up 112 ppg over that span. The Suns stink. We were SUPPOSE to beat them!
Develop some arrogance and swagger as fans along with increasing the expectations we have for our Sixers franchise. Don't cream on yourself just because we beat the "Steve Kerrsed Suns". I really do need to create my own blog. "Steve Kerrsed" is just a priceless one. *pats self on the back*

If you are suggesting that fans should become more like you .... ah ... I think I will pass on that one.

[THFM]

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Yeah, they're a good team. What 19 games above .500? But RIGHT NOW they suck. 2-4 sucks. Period.

I've said numerous times they played a damn good game. Just nothing to get overly excited about. Fool's gold.

And you know maybe if they were able to hold the Suns to 38%, I'd be much more excited about the win and the team. But they gave up 114 points on almost 50% shooting. Forgive me if I'm not satisfied. It's not often the team will be able to score 110+ points to win a game.

That's a very silly post. So that means every team in the NBA must suck because when the good teams, beat the bad it means nothing. Everytime a team beats a team thats good but in a funk it means nothing. Every rare time a bad team beats a good team it means nothing. Etc etc, look its the NBA and a 82 game schedule. Every single win matters and I dont' care how we won it. The fact that one of our best players had a great game on top of just made it fun.

I bet your also going to tell me, that the 1st placed Sixers in 2000 had to go to 7 games twice before reaching the finals wasn't fun because they should have beat those teams at least in 5 or 6 games? Come on now.

[ankle420breaker]

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And you know maybe if they were able to hold the Suns to 38%, I'd be much more excited about the win and the team. But they gave up 114 points on almost 50% shooting. Forgive me if I'm not satisfied. It's not often the team will be able to score 110+ points to win a game.

I know where you are coming from, but the Suns average around 110ppg... they are going to score on us just like they are going to score on the rest of the league. The Suns going 4 points above their seasons average isn't anything to dwell over.... especially on a night where we went into their house on a back to back and outscored our seasons average by 24.

[76erinSJ]

Sendem will never admit he was wrong about the Shaq trade that he was wrong because he is a basketball discussing god. He is a hypocrite. Straight up. Just get over it. He is who he is and just be happy we won the game and have other posters on this forum to have enlightening conversations with.

[wow444]

In terms of how they played...and what is happening right now in terms of the development of this team, this was, IMO, the biggest win for this team in years. It gives me hope that we may really be only a player or two from being really relevent again.

It was a good game. Everybody played well. Pretty exciting to watch. But c'mon, the Suns really suck right now.

Sure they are 2-4 over their last six, but the other 3 losses were to Lakers, Hornets and the Pistons and they beat the Celtics. Suck isn't quite accurate....

[noone]

noone:

What does "fool's gold" mean if it is not a code phrase for denigrating the effort or result?

Getting too excited over a win that shouldn't mean as much as some are trying to make it out as. I think that fits the bill.

It was a quality win aganst a good team (albeit a team still figuring out how to integrate a new player). There always seems to be "qualifiers" with you....

It was a quality win, I haven't said otherwise.

"albeit a team still figuring out how to integrate a new player". That's no small feat when that includes you getting rid of one of your best players and your best overall player and replacing him with a player that could either make or break your team. Maybe it's just me but that seems to be a pretty significant "qualifier".

why can't you just say "hey...great win" and leave it there without throwing something in that cheapens it?

Because I'm not satisfied. Crappy draft pick. Not enough money to pick up a game changer. They're pretty much taking their chances on trading Miller's expiring to a team with an unhappy superstar. Too bad Cleveland will have $25 million in expiring contracts to trade during the season next season with a possibility of an additional $18 million for the offseason if Z and Varejao opt out. No player is going to pick the Sixers over the Cavs. Despite Thad's emergence the Sixers are headed towards mediocrity. That may do it for you, but not me.

[noone]

I'm actually MORE impressed that tehy won with Pheonix scoring like they did. We played their game and beat them at it.

If they held them to the kind of numbers you say, noone, it would surely mean they had an off shooting night and I'd be less likely to pat the Sixers on the back.

If they had held the Suns to 38% shooting, I would have credited their defense far more than brushing it off as an off shooting night, even though that partially could be a factor. The Sixers play excellent defense. They're capable of holding teams to low percentages/points. They are NOT capable of scoring that many points in order to win games night in and night out. The Sixers won't win many games especially in the playoffs giving up that many points and allowing the other team to shoot 49%. They do however have a chance to win many more games holding teams to 38%.

Everyone predicted in the GSW game thread that if the Sixers were going to have a chance to win, it would have to be a low scoring game. So what's changed now? Why is this game nothing more than an anomaly? 119 points for the Sixers, it should be nothing but that.

Fact remains, Shaq issues or no Shaq issues, we went into the building of a far superior team and beat them at their own game. What's not to like in that?

I enjoyed the game (best game all season) and have said numerous times it was a quality win. I can't help that you guys keep skipping over that. Yes it was a quality win, but not the type of game you can count on the Sixers winning more than a couple more times in the season.

That's a very silly post. So that means every team in the NBA must suck because when the good teams, beat the bad it means nothing. Everytime a team beats a team thats good but in a funk it means nothing. Every rare time a bad team beats a good team it means nothing. Etc etc, look its the NBA and a 82 game schedule. Every single win matters and I dont' care how we won it. The fact that one of our best players had a great game on top of just made it fun.

I bet your also going to tell me, that the 1st placed Sixers in 2000 had to go to 7 games twice before reaching the finals wasn't fun because they should have beat those teams at least in 5 or 6 games? Come on now.

I suggest you go re-read my posts. I said none of that. Nor did anything I say follow any of the logic you just spewed out.

Last season there was a similar game around the same time when we beat Phoenix. Half the posters thought the Sixers were better than they actually were, and the other half didn't think much of the win. Phoenix I believe was missing Marion and a few other players. But those that believed the Sixers took the next step wouldn't listen to any of it. Judging by this thread, I may be the only one left in the other half.

[noone]

I know where you are coming from, but the Suns average around 110ppg... they are going to score on us just like they are going to score on the rest of the league. The Suns going 4 points above their seasons average isn't anything to dwell over.... especially on a night where we went into their house on a back to back and outscored our seasons average by 24.

It isn't anything to dwell over if you aren't statistically (points allowed per 100 possession) the 8th best defensive team in the league and if they weren't averaging 106.5 ppg since the trade. And I'd argue they're even better than that defensively since Thad has been moved to the starting lineup (don't have the numbers to show it though). I do understand your point, but the Sixers may win this type of game 1 or 2 more times all season. Looking at the future of this team and into the playoffs (this season), why should I get excited over this type of win when it happens once every 10 games, and in this case a team that is struggling to find its identity offensively and defensively. They've given up 130, 116 (Memphis), 113, 120, and now 119 since the trade. Their 6th game was against Boston who they "held" to 77 points.

Sure they are 2-4 over their last six, but the other 3 losses were to Lakers, Hornets and the Pistons and they beat the Celtics. Suck isn't quite accurate....

That's a solid point. But looking at the numbers they're putting up, they're struggling right now. And pretty mightily. They lost to very good teams, but it's not like they looked good in those losses or made them competitive games. The only team they really hung around with in their losses was the Lakers. Detroit and New Orleans made them look silly winning by 30 points and 17, respectively. And Memphis was hanging right there with them until the final 3 or so minutes when Phoenix hit a bunch of 3's and Memphis started fouling. They have not looked or played good no matter who their competition was.

[Sixerscan]

They're still definitely better than the Sixers and they were playing at home so we shouldn't have won but we did so its happy time.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

exactly. well put.

[noone]

They're still definitely better than the Sixers and they were playing at home so we shouldn't have won but we did so its happy time.

Yup, enjoyed the win myself. Fun game to watch, played their asses off. Beat a team they shouldn't have, regardless of all the circumstances. But that doesn't mean we should be satisfied or take more than we should from the game.

Btw, love the quote in your sig.

[bebopdeluxe]

+1, Sixerscan...

It was a quality win against a good team on their home floor...but more important than that was HOW they won...there were lots of opportunities for the Sixers of the past few seasons to upchuck that game...but they didn't.

They made baskets in the halfcourt.

They made their free throws.

They were (with the exception of the Hill steal late) smart with the basketball.

Screw the win....it's stuff like what I just listed above that is more important. This team is growing a brain...and a sack.

But, as I said earlier, if they lose two out of their next 3, I retract everything nice that I have said in this thread.