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[dbodner]

And thanks, dabods, for putting meat on the bone with the All-Star appearances by the Pistons...a grand total of two, singular appearances (one of those when the player wasn't on the Pistons)

Well, I just posted their FIRST all-star game appearance. For example, Sheed's a four time all-star.

[76erinSJ]

Didnt Prince make the allstar game one year as a reserve after someone didnt go?

[bebopdeluxe]

dabods:

Thanks for the clarification - my focus was more on the two guys who had NOT become All-Stars (Billups and Hamilton), who were unquestionalble vital to that team's success.

As someone said earlier in the thread, I'm not exactly sure where this is going. In the absence of a Kobe/Dirk/KG-like player, the Sixers are - in all likelihood - going to have to do it by committee. As we have learned this season, we already have a few solid pieces...many of whom should only get better over the next couple of years. We have at least one solid addition coming our way this summer...and just as it now looks like we got VERY lucky with Young, we need to select well this summer.

While this spring has been a nice run, the tale will truly be told next season - either we will select well, grow up, and be a very good team...or we will max out, shoot our youthful load, lose our PG next summer and drift back into mediocrity.

Whatever happens, this ride has happened faster than I had thought, it has some actual potential to take the next step, and it should be a lot of fun to watch...and I - for one - am happy about that.

Kool-Aid, anyone?

[dond]

it now looks like we got VERY lucky with Young, we need to select well this summer.

Luck ? Come on ...

Look ... when draft choices do not work out very well the Sixer management get hammered mercilessly about there incompetence, stupidity, etc ...

Please give them credit when they make a good draft selection. They made a good choice with Thadeus Young and there was no shortage of outrage on this forum when they did. It turns out that they may have not made such a "stupid" move after all.

[STChaser]

On the note of draft picks, I think that's why I'm not all that worried about getting an impact player this draft. I fully trust DiLeo when it comes to finding the best available talent. Problem is, we need two pieces - the backup big and a legit PF. Which one do we draft and which one do we get via FA?

STChaser

[dbodner]

Luck ? Come on ...

Look ... when draft choices do not work out very well the Sixer management get hammered mercilessly about there incompetence, stupidity, etc ...

I know you're of the "management can do no wrong and we need to grovel at their feet whenever possible" philosophy, but it's always luck when you're drafting 12th. By definition, 11 other people have to pass on that player. There's always an element of luck to that.

[dond]

Luck ? Come on ...

Look ... when draft choices do not work out very well the Sixer management get hammered mercilessly about there incompetence, stupidity, etc ...

I know you're of the "management can do no wrong and we need to grovel at their feet whenever possible" philosophy, but it's always luck when you're drafting 12th. By definition, 11 other people have to pass on that player. There's always an element of luck to that.

LOL ... Wow ... you are digging pretty deep now to find something to argue about. Pretty Weak !!!

[dbodner]

So you're saying there's no luck in drafting 12th?

Thad Young was a top 5 rated prospect before the college season. He slipped up during the season while he was trying to prove he could play on the perimeter, and his stock dropped. We have no control over that, and how he's perceived around the league. There's absolutely an element of luck in that process, and the original post you quoted wasn't a "managementsuckskthx" post.

[dond]

So you're saying there's no luck in drafting 12th?

Thad Young was a top 5 rated prospect before the college season. He slipped up during the season while he was trying to prove he could play on the perimeter, and his stock dropped. We have no control over that, and how he's perceived around the league. There's absolutely an element of luck in that process, and the original post you quoted wasn't a "managementsuckskthx" post.

Hey you got me there ... you are absolutely correct. There is an element of luck in just making it through the day without getting hit by a truck so you are right there is an element of luck in just about anything. You win.

[bebopdeluxe]

dond:

As dabods clarified, I wasn't slamming management or trying to minimize the "luck" aspect of the Young pick....all that I was saying is that Young could turn out - at #12 - to be as impactful a player on this franchise as a guy that we could have taken had we tanked our azz off last spring (as many on this forum wanted)...

We got the best of both worlds last spring - growth of our young players (by being around a team that won games) AND a potential star/impact player in the draft (at the #12 spot).

[dond]

dond:

As dabods clarified, I wasn't slamming management or trying to minimize the "luck" aspect of the Young pick....all that I was saying is that Young could turn out - at #12 - to be as impactful a player on this franchise as a guy that we could have taken had we tanked our azz off last spring (as many on this forum wanted)...

We got the best of both worlds last spring - growth of our young players (by being around a team that won games) AND a potential star/impact player in the draft (at the #12 spot).

Absolutely True ! It is nice to see that doing the right thing doesn't always mean you get the short end of the stick.

[ankle420breaker]

you can also argue that we were lucky to have Milwaukee turn down our supposed giant package that we offered them for Yi.... A lot of things that we thought went wrong during the draft ended up working out in our favor.

[STChaser]

So which need do we take in the draft - PF or backup Center? Will it come down to taking; 1) the best prospect left on the board instead of choosing based on the position we need more, or 2) a tweener who can play both PF and Center?

Also, where does Herb Hill fit into this equation? Do we take a 5 with our pick with the idea that maybe Hill (sharing time with Jason Smith) can pleasantly surprise us and lock down the PF spot, giving us the potential opportunity to draft a 5 like Thabeet or Hibbert? I know we need a legit PF BUT having another big like Thabeet coming off the bench to spell minutes for Sam would be HUGE for this team.

STChaser

[dond]

So which need do we take in the draft - PF or backup Center? Will it come down to taking; 1) the best prospect left on the board instead of choosing based on the position we need more, or 2) a tweener who can play both PF and Center?

Also, where does Herb Hill fit into this equation? Do we take a 5 with our pick with the idea that maybe Hill (sharing time with Jason Smith) can pleasantly surprise us and lock down the PF spot, giving us the potential opportunity to draft a 5 like Thabeet or Hibbert? I know we need a legit PF BUT having another big like Thabeet coming off the bench to spell minutes for Sam would be HUGE for this team.

STChaser

Well, if the Sixers can get Thabeet or Hibbert with their first round pick I would think they will do that. I doubt if either of those will be available for them.

[ankle420breaker]

So which need do we take in the draft - PF or backup Center? Will it come down to taking; 1) the best prospect left on the board instead of choosing based on the position we need more, or 2) a tweener who can play both PF and Center?

Also, where does Herb Hill fit into this equation? Do we take a 5 with our pick with the idea that maybe Hill (sharing time with Jason Smith) can pleasantly surprise us and lock down the PF spot, giving us the potential opportunity to draft a 5 like Thabeet or Hibbert? I know we need a legit PF BUT having another big like Thabeet coming off the bench to spell minutes for Sam would be HUGE for this team.

STChaser

Late in the first round I think you just draft BPA.

I don't think Herb Hill will have any influence whatsoever on who we draft. Don't get me wrong, I still have hopes for Herb to be a rotation guy on this team, but we're not going to prioritize our needs based on a guy who's yet to play an NBA game.

[STChaser]

Well, if the Sixers can get Thabeet or Hibbert with their first round pick I would think they will do that. I doubt if either of those will be available for them.

There are several mock drafts that currently have both available after 16. Of course, that will probably change quite a bit as we get closer to the draft.


STChaser

[Skates]

Looking for a developmental PG is not out of the question either. Lou W. has described himself as a SG or combo guard and I just don't ssee him as a full time starting PG. Miller may be here for several more years or be gone this summer. Unfortunately this is not looking like a deep draft for starting caliber PG's, but if the right one is available in the mid to late teens where we will be picking I would strongly consider it.

After a starting PF I think back-up center and PG are the other positions of need. of course, after a few trades we could be looking for wing men too.

[Salvistine24]

the more and more i think about next year, the less and less i think i want them to make a major move for the sake of making a move...

id be more than happy to sit back on our capspace, wait for a trade and just add a little depth with a shooter at the 2 guard and a backup big (prob through the draft)...the only switch id make is make carney a starter for green next year and continue to get thad on the court as much as possible

i really dont like the options out there except for brand and to a lesser extent okafor (but he will be severely overpaid dropping him down)...wait on the cap space and use it when the oppertunity arises to make that splash