Game 2: 76ers @ Pistons 4/23/08

[P2K]

Every time I come over here and read what my fellow Sixer fans are talking about, I see the same stupid crap over and over again.

Look, I think alot of us, if not most of us agree that Iggz is not Jordan. We know he's not Kobe. He's not even Brandon Roy when it comes to scoring ability. But the guy is good.

And I, too, am disappointed in the performance last. It made me pissed. I was looking more from him since he has taken over the leader role and such. But that performance last night was on the critical level.

But this obsessive, compulsive behavior in posting about Iguodala's faults and bashing him on a daily basis...a few times a day...the lectures...essays...and belittling of those that disagree...should not be tolerated. It makes it very hard to come over here and read. And I can't just put a certain person on ignore because alot of times, I don't log in.

Something has to be done. I'm sorry, but it's true.

[P2K]

And another thing, while I'm at it. I have no idea if anyone else brought it up.

In the 4th, when all the backups were in...why in the holy hell were the coaches not setting up plays for Thaddeus??!?!

Huh?

You want this guy to develop, right? Well, run some damn plays for him. Let him have a shot at the offense coming through him for a change. All I saw was Carney jackin' it up.

They had this potential stud on the floor and did nothing for him. Stupidity.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

I have the same issue with the not logging in...or forgetting to log in

[tk76]

I agree that there should be 4 plays a (regular season) game in the post and wing that give Thad a chance to work on his iso moves. It was amusing to see his loose but effective handle on some of his drives, but no doubt he will improve with more in game experience.

He has a good cross-over and quick first step to go with his polished spin move and hook. He just needs to tighten up the handle to be ready to be a full time SF.

I think its interesting that he does not try to break down PF's like McDyess off the dribble. Either he isn't being assertive, or he is told not to try dribble drives.

[Hussien Fatal]

This game really pissed me off Iguodala is one of my fav players but he got B-I-T-C-H-ED by the pistons defense he looked like a rookie, this was by-far the poorest performance i have ever seen Iguodala display, it frustrating, i just hope this doesnt continue if so and he wants a large conract in the offseason give him a sign and trade and ship him out for a Power Forward and let Thaddeus take his spot next year.

[76erinSJ]

Like I said before. He has brought down the moral of this board all by himself. This should have been a good time for us to go on here and have fun but at last its not.

[Sixersftw]

He has a good cross-over and quick first step to go with his polished spin move and hook. He just needs to tighten up the handle to be ready to be a full time SF.

hey a non-bashfest! his first step is going to be deadly in this league. it's extremely quick and crazy long. it is going to be amazing when he is ready to step up and be the man.

[SouthJersey]

^ Agreed! Once he adds that touh around the basket he will be deadly.

[9th Wonder]

I think its interesting that he does not try to break down PF's like McDyess off the dribble. Either he isn't being assertive, or he is told not to try dribble drives.

I don't think he's being given the opportunity. If things continue to go poory for Iguodala, you really have to spread the ball around more and try to work on the match-ups that do favour us. Thad has a mismatch againt McDyess, and he needs to be able to exploit it, because McDyess is starting to take advantage of Thad on the other end of the floor.

[freshie2]

Andre Iguodala

2008 Playoffs Statistics
PPG 10.0
RPG 5.00
APG 6.0
EFF + 8.00

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Yes...I still prefer Iguodala over Iverson. Once again, a great point on your part...go back to the quite church mice.

Did you call WIP today?? Somebody called, and was complaining they didn't want Iguodala to get a max contract, then went on to state the Phillies should trade Howard for a starting pitcher and call up a hustling first baseman b/c that is how they would be successful. Was that you?? Do you spew your nonsense on the airways as well??

[freshie2]

Does anyone remember the person around here who said that Iguodala was a more clutch player than Iverson?
Iverson averages 30 ppg in the playoffs and 27ppg during the regular season. That is CLUTCH!

That was me...I'm still here.

What has Iverson done or improved from a team concept since entering the league?? When was his first game winning shot he had in his career (the ball was always in his hands...odds are it happened before age 24??) When did he display big time play on both ends of the court in the playoffs? I'll wait for your answers...

I really don't want to bash Iverson, but he's just a gunner. I saw his rookie games and the Nassau Colesium, and thought he was the next Isaiah Thomas...unfortunately for us, he turned out to be an upgraded Calvin Murphy. He's never been clutch...the Pistons used to shut him down in clutch time the same way they are doing to Iguodala. Mark Jackson and the Pacers used to abuse him like a pre schooler. He had one magical run where the stars and moons aligned for this franchise, that's it.

[SendEm]

[freshie2]

Is that clutch or is that putting up a ton of shots/points?? If you don't have any answers, don't post...that is what you normally do...don't post when asked direct questions.

[SendEm]

Andre Iguodala

2008 Playoffs Statistics
PPG 10.0
RPG 5.00
APG 6.0
EFF + 8.00

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Iggy's playoff scoring averages are VERY consistent.

2004-2005 9.8 ppg 38.4 minutes
2007-2008 10.0 ppg 38.5 minutes

[freshie2]

I'm glad I waited until a few cooler heads prevailed before commenting. This will be a very long post so if anyone nods off while reading, or has to vomit, I will not be offended.

And let me preface this by acknowledging that there could be a poster with even greater basketball acumen than I possess, that has been developed from even more years of being involved in basketball. But I always thought it was silly when some evaluate the game contribution of a someone they dislike based on only the players weakest moments in that particular contest, overlooking the totality of a performance. I hope that helps someone understand why I think it is even more ludicrous when a player's potential for improvement and years of achievement are overlooked, and his very worth questioned, based on a game, or selected poorer games. Perhaps it is because, unlike everyone else, I have had so many bad days, in so many endeavors, in my lifetime. Think of this effort as just one more.

I'm sure that all but the most casual Sixer fan realizes that this is Andre's first playoff series as the best player on the team. Now let us compound that problem by the facts that he is facing one of the premier perimeter defenders, being supported by one of the league's three best defensive teams, whose primary mission (evidenced by triple teams 20+ feet from the basket) is to stop him. Consider, also, that scoring ability is one of his most recent improvements, and still a work in process. Why can we not realize that, even with his poor shooting in game one, it was he who pulled down the two most critical rebounds and hit the pressure free throws that won that game. His depiction, by some on this board, is deplorable. If we stopped a Detroit star, he would be able to defer to at least two others. Iguodala has no one but Miller, thusfar, who can be counted on for help. And the latter is also facing one of the best and strongest point guard defenders in the league, supported by that same awesome help defense. Hence, although I do not think it prudent, I at least understand why AI feels the need to force instead of playing decoy and just contributing in other ways.

I think we have shown that we can beat this team. I believe we, and the rest of the league have undervalued our talent because we lack the superstar and big name players. Do not misunderstand this, because I do realize that the Pistons are even more talented, and more importantly perhaps, experienced. The moon would probably have to be in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligned with Mars, but I think it can be done.

Thus far I have had concerns with Mo's (or Stefanski's) lineups. I acknowledge that our biggest improvement throughout the year has been the development of Thad and Lou. (Carney was just as good in pre-season, but I think was sacrificed for Williams.) Early in the year they would give away twenty and thirty point leads when we rested our vets. They developed to where they could eventually expand, or even regain, leads.

Mo has apparently agreed with many here that this improved play, and the excitement it has generated, warranted starting or at least expanded minutes. I really do not think that this has worked against the Pistons. I see no way that Lou can compete defensively against either Hamilton or Billups. His defense has been atrocious, and thus far not offset by scoring. Thad has given us brief scoring excitement but it has been limited and more than offset by his defense and rebounding against Dice, Sheed, and even Maxiell. I think that both can be valuable contributors...but to a much lesser extent against Detroit's starters.

Mo has done other things that I really question. He has played Lou against Chauncey in crunch time, had Miller on the bigger Hamilton, with Willie and Carney on the bench. I think even more inexplicable was playing Green on Prince. (I apologize if these were "switches" but they looked to me to have been assignments.)

I disagree with the majority here. I think if we want to be competitive we have to start the Andres, Sam, Willie, and Reggie. If we have to sub with Billups or Hamilton in the game, it should be with Rodney, and not Lou. Similarly, putting Thad on Dice or Sheed has and will hurt our rebounding and defense. Smith is not particularly strong, but at least as a center should be somewhat more accustomed to the physical play, and he is at least taller. I would also not rule out using Booth and Ollie if Sam, Reggie, or Miller, has to come out against their starters. We are not a great scoring team, so we can little afford to play the lousy defense of game two. Screw offensive potential that does not materialize and comes at a great defensive cost.

I know everyone hates broken records and I wrote this before, but I still think we could have used either Kyle or Giricek, subbing at the two, or three, when when either Willie or AI is struggling. I do not believe that it would have hampered Thad's development since he was subbing for Evans, and the others should not have been used at the four anyway. They would have really been useful late in the season or in the post season when we have struggled for points and, to paraphrase Charles Barkley, have had to play midgets on big guards or forwards.

Yes...quite a long post. I'll agree with the general concept that having a three point shooter would be nice, but am not concerned over the loss of KK or GG. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to having Carney get some more time. He can defend multiple positions, gives them an athletic edge, and has hit the open three towards the end of the season.

[Mik317]

wait now we hate Ryan Howard............dude wtf is wrong with us Philly fans? THIS IS WHY WE CAN't HAVE NICE THINGS!

[freshie2]

wait now we hate Ryan Howard............dude wtf is wrong with us Philly fans? THIS IS WHY WE CAN't HAVE NICE THINGS!

It was funny to hear...the clown also was calling out someone on the Flyers, but I don't remember who that was. I was just thinking this as I tied my sneakers this morning...do the Philly fans boo Iguodala tonight if he gets off to a slow start??

[ahwi_quacoe]

Iguodala Signs Major Endorsement deal for a MAjor Household Cleaning agent. CHarmin is happy to announce Signing a lifetime deal with he Sixers star, Andre Iguodala.

" We are happy to find someone who is so in line with our brand. It's not everyday that we can find a major athlete such as Iguodala who fits in the mold of what we are doing. We hope that this will resonate with Sixers fans and maybe lead to Sixers sponsorship. We hope that Charmin and Andre Iguodala ( and maybe the Sixers) will stay SQUEEZABLY SOFT!!!!!!!!!!!"

[SendEm]

Iguodala Signs Major Endorsement deal for a MAjor Household Cleaning agent. CHarmin is happy to announce Signing a lifetime deal with he Sixers star, Andre Iguodala.

" We are happy to find someone who is so in line with our brand. It's not everyday that we can find a major athlete such as Iguodala who fits in the mold of what we are doing. We hope that this will resonate with Sixers fans and maybe lead to Sixers sponsorship. We hope that Charmin and Andre Iguodala ( and maybe the Sixers) will stay SQUEEZABLY SOFT!!!!!!!!!!!"