Could we get Beasley?

freshie2 · Post #21 » by **freshie2** » Thu May 22, 2008 10:34 am

I can't see this happening. Even with Sam + others and multiple picks for their garbage, I can't see them making this deal. Nice idea, but just doesn't seem realistic.

Skates · Post #22 » by **Skates** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:09 pm

freshie2 wrote:I can't see this happening. Even with Sam + others and multiple picks for their garbage, I can't see them making this deal. Nice idea, but just doesn't seem realistic.

There was some buzz that the Heat are not enamored with Beasley and might trade the pick if the Bulls take Rose. In that unlikely scenario look for Memphis to move up. They have PG's and draft picks to spare, they need a big man and they have cap space to take some salary off of Miami's hands. Miami could move down a few spots and still grab a top five player plus the haul and cap relief they could get from Memphis. I can't see them going any lower than that.

JimmyBulls · Post #23 » by **JimmyBulls** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:10 pm

The Bulls are going to draft Beasley with the number one pick. But the Bulls and Sixers could make a deal involving Gooden and Dalembert.

freshie2 · Post #24 » by **freshie2** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:45 am

Gooden and the #1 for Dalembert?? Are you kidding?

Gooden for Dalembert?? Are you kidding?

GreenWithEnvy · Post #25 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:55 am

it would start with Thaddeus Young/Andre Iguodala AND Andre Miller.

JimmyBulls · Post #26 » by **JimmyBulls** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:09 am

freshie2 wrote:
Gooden for Dalembert?? Are you kidding?

Nope. It would be a pretty smart deal for both teams. The Bulls could draft Beasley and have a defensive minded center next to him, and the Sixers could get a guy on their frontline that could be used in their offensive gameplan more than Dalembert. The Sixers could even sign a center like Diop so they wouldn't have to throw Jason Smith to the wolves.

SendEm · Post #27 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:30 am

JimmyBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nope. It would be a pretty smart deal for both teams. The Bulls could draft Beasley and have a defensive minded center next to him, and the Sixers could get a guy on their frontline that could be used in their offensive gameplan more than Dalembert. The Sixers could even sign a center like Diop so they wouldn't have to throw Jason Smith to the wolves.

Dalembert is better than both Gooden and Diop. How does this trade improve the Sixers?

JimmyBulls · Post #28 » by **JimmyBulls** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:40 am

Come on now, stop being a homer. Dalembert and Gooden have different strenghs and weaknesses, but they are pretty equal. Two B level players that brings two different things to a team. Gooden is a guy you could make a part of your offense which you can't do with Dalembert. While Dalembert is a better defender/shot blocker. But let's not lose control saying he's better than Gooden and Diop... because that's crazy. They (Gooden & Dalembert) have pretty much the same value for different reasons.

SendEm · Post #29 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 23, 2008 6:57 am

JimmyBulls wrote:Come on now, stop being a homer. Dalembert and Gooden have different strenghs and weaknesses, but they are pretty equal. Two B level players that brings two different things to a team. Gooden is a guy you could make a part of your offense which you can't do with Dalembert. While Dalembert is a better defender/shot blocker. But let's not lose control saying he's better than Gooden and Diop... because that's crazy. They (Gooden & Dalembert) have pretty much the same value for different reasons.

Gooden averages 12ppg and Dalembert averages 10.5ppg. What offense is Gooden bringing to the table? Dalembert averages more rebounds than Gooden and Dalembert is amongst the league leaders in blocks every season where Gooden doesn't even get 1 whole block per game. Diop isn't even worth mentioning, he is a slob. Take that Gooden and Diop garbage elsewhere. They are worthless.

JimmyBulls · Post #30 » by **JimmyBulls** » Fri May 23, 2008 12:24 pm

The Sixers would be able to pick and roll, pick and pop, draw and kick, postup with Gooden, and he's a very good hustle player as well. While Dalembert is mainly a garbage man that shows streaks of good skills offensively. But he's for the most part is Mutumbo-lite.

SendEm · Post #31 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:16 pm

being able to "expand" the offense at the complete cost of the defense to acquire a player that only managed to score 1.5ppg more than the player he is proposed to be traded for sounds like a terrible move. Acquiring Diop the slob in a attempt to replace what defense was lost sounds like a move that would have us in a position to win the NBA draft lottery next season. A frontcourt of Diop and Gooden? Are you serious? Am I missing something? When did Diop even become a consistent bench player? You propose him to be a starter?

Come on, admit it, you were just joking right? Ha Ha the joke is on me for participating in this obvious trade proposal and free agent acquisition that were created just for your sheer amusement. Good one buddy..

Skates · Post #32 » by **Skates** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:18 pm

Stop trying to pawn off another one of Paxson's mistakes on us. Reggie Evans for Gooden, sure, Dalembert for Gooden, no freaking way. Even very flawed shotblocking centers who also produce a lot of double-doubles like Sammy are way more valuable than a barely mediocre PF who gets dumped by every team that gets him. If you want to see some homerism, take a look in the mirror.

SendEm · Post #33 » by **SendEm** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:27 pm

Skates wrote:Stop trying to pawn off another one of Paxson's mistakes on us. Reggie Evans for Gooden, sure, Dalembert for Gooden, no freaking way. Even very flawed shotblocking centers who also produce a lot of double-doubles like Sammy are way more valuable than a barely mediocre PF who gets dumped by every team that gets him. If you want to see some homerism, take a look in the mirror.

Oh but the shotblocking can be "replaced" by signing Desagana Diop to a free agent contract as a starter. :bowdown:

JimmyBulls · Post #34 » by **JimmyBulls** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:08 pm

JimmyBulls wrote:The Sixers would be able to pick and roll, pick and pop, draw and kick, postup with Gooden, and he's a very good hustle player as well. While Dalembert is mainly a garbage man that shows streaks of good skills offensively. But he's for the most part is Mutumbo-lite.

phiphan · Post #35 » by **phiphan** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:21 pm

Diop is actually pretty serviceable -- but yeah, a big NO on Dalembert for Gooden.

Post #36 » by **tk76** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:19 am

No one trades an average center for a below average PF.

Dalembert can guard most PF's and C's in the league. Gooden can guard some PF's and no centers. That makes him much less valuable- especially when the Sixers are have no other starting quality PF or Centers on their team.

Ignoring salaries, it would be like trading a below average starting SG like Willie Green for an average PG like Hinrich- you want to make that trade?

freshie2 · Post #37 » by **freshie2** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:56 am

Never been a big fan of Gooden...Sam should bring back a ton more than him.

sec-106 · Post #38 » by **sec-106** » Sat May 24, 2008 2:58 am

No interest in Gooden.

arjwdotcom · Post #39 » by **arjwdotcom** » Mon May 26, 2008 3:36 pm

I remember how in older versions of NBA Live that you could trade a start who made a lot of money for a high draft pick right after he was drafted. Made for some interesting teams...

...good thing the real world doesn't work like this. Daly would be better to sit here for a while.