IF... the rumor is true, its nice to see the sixers working options and recognizing what their weaknesses are. i wouldnt want mccants, but craig smith would be a nice addition
to anyone who is all swept up in the possibilities of this 16th pick i would argue that it really doesnt have a chance of turning into much. people can talk about the depth of the draft all they want, but there have been deep drafts before and the fact is... considering the % chance that the 19th pick will turn into anything more than a 6th man for this team, ill take two proven nba players for it ANY DAY.
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psykosacul wrote: to anyone who is all swept up in the possibilities of this 16th pick i would argue that it really doesnt have a chance of turning into much. people can talk about the depth of the draft all they want, but there have been deep drafts before and the fact is... considering the % chance that the 19th pick will turn into anything more than a 6th man for this team, ill take two proven nba players for it ANY DAY.
Thank you -- you don't hear people say this at this time of year. Every year, people say how deep the draft is, so I like to look at the value of a draft pick historically, to eliminate "good draft/bad draft" variation, to see what kind of player you can expect at a certain pick. Here are the last 20 years of #16 picks:
1988 1.16 Rockets Derrick Chievous 6'7 195 Missouri 1967-07-03
1989 1.16 Supersonics Dana Barros 5'11 163 Boston College 1967-04-13
1990 1.16 Bucks Terry Mills 6'10 230 Michigan 1967-12-21
1991 1.16 Warriors Chris Gatling 6'10 220 Old Dominion 1967-09-03
1992 1.16 Clippers Randy Woods 5'10 185 LaSalle 1970-09-23
1993 1.16 Nets Rex Walters 6'4 190 Kansas 1970-03-12
1994 1.16 Warriors Clifford Rozier 6'11 245 Louisville 1972-10-31
1995 1.16 Hawks Alan Henderson 6'9 235 Indiana 1972-12-02
1996 1.16 Hornets Tony Delk 6'1 189 Kentucky 1974-01-28
1997 1.16 Cavaliers Brevin Knight 5'10 173 Stanford 1975-11-08
1998 1.16 Rockets Bryce Drew 6'2 185 Valparaiso 1974-09-21
1999 1.16 Bulls Ron Artest 6'6 244 St. John's 1979-11-13
2000 1.16 Kings Hidayet Turkoglu 6'8 220 None 1979-03-19
2001 1.16 Hornets Kirk Haston 6'9 242 Indiana 1979-03-10
2002 1.16 76ers Jiri Welsch 6'7 208 None 1980-01-27
2003 1.16 Celtics Troy Bell 6'1 180 Boston College 1980-11-10
2004 1.16 Jazz Kirk Snyder
2005 1.16 Raptors Joey Graham
2006 1.16 Bulls 76ers Rodney Carney 6'6 205 Memphis 1984-04-15
2007 1.16 Wizards Nick Young 6'7 206 USC 1985-06-03
Now, maybe you get the 1-in-20 chance and get the Ron Artest, but chances are you're not getting a star here.
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Anyway, I just stopped by to pass along a story about how MIN got McCants.
If you recall, the previous 2004-2005 season had MIN in disarray. Predicted by many to win its first ring, Sam Cassell reneged on his "no contract talks during the season" promise to owner Glen Taylor, and checked out. Flip Saunders said that whenever a quick PG came to town that might embarrass him, Cassell seemed to always develop an injury and be unable to play. Sprewell backed Cassell, and KG might have leaned that way too. The team self-destructed, stopped listening to Flip, and he was fired. Taylor forced McHale to finish the season as coach, and I guess having your coach also be your GM, with the power to see that you are gone next year, motivated the team. They went like 24-13 the rest of the way (making McHale the winningest coach in Wolves history with the most disfunctional team), but just missed the play-offs.
McHale was forced to move Cassell, and Sprewell was not going to be long for the team either. After getting burned when he went over the lux and didn't even make the play-offs, Glen Taylor was ready to get back under. Pressure was (as always) on McHale to win-now and never rebuild as long as the Wolves have KG, so some vets would be brought in through trade. With the death penalty for the Joe Smith deal reduced, McHale was undecided what to do with the #14 pick, and had 4-5 different ideas.
McHale met with McCants and liked his attitude. He was (and still is) very competitive, and he's a very hard worker. But the thing that sold McHale was his private work-out. He knew that McCants had explosive athleticism and could get to the hoop, but during the work-out, McCants drained 69-of-75 three pointers, and that sealed the deal.
Now, I don't know what the deal is with McCants now. Supposedly he is butting heads with new coach Randy Whitman, because he thinks he should be a starter (and if you played behind Marko Jaric, you might feel the same way). McCants makes mental mistakes from being overly aggressive when he's on the court, and he hates it when Whitman takes him out of games to tell him about it.
But the truth is, McHale picked McCants as a high risk/high return guy, and I think we still don't know about him. The micro-fracture surgery robbed him of 18 months of development (though he must have lived in the weight room) and when he came back, it took him a while to get back that old explosiveness. I personally prefer that the Wolves keep him, and see what McCants looks like starting the season fully healthy. I agree with others here though that his trade value is in the tank, so I hope MIN keeps him for a while.
While I think Craig Smith will probably be a better player than anyone you can get in the draft, I don't think he alone is worth the #16 pick, even if you move Willie Green plus the #16's salary. If Green is gone, does Telfair help you? I assume Louis Williams would be playing more SG besides a little PG, but I don't follow your team closely. Telfair was 10-6 last season, betetr than I expected with no apparent issues, but he's not the three-point shooter McCants is.
If you recall, the previous 2004-2005 season had MIN in disarray. Predicted by many to win its first ring, Sam Cassell reneged on his "no contract talks during the season" promise to owner Glen Taylor, and checked out. Flip Saunders said that whenever a quick PG came to town that might embarrass him, Cassell seemed to always develop an injury and be unable to play. Sprewell backed Cassell, and KG might have leaned that way too. The team self-destructed, stopped listening to Flip, and he was fired. Taylor forced McHale to finish the season as coach, and I guess having your coach also be your GM, with the power to see that you are gone next year, motivated the team. They went like 24-13 the rest of the way (making McHale the winningest coach in Wolves history with the most disfunctional team), but just missed the play-offs.
McHale was forced to move Cassell, and Sprewell was not going to be long for the team either. After getting burned when he went over the lux and didn't even make the play-offs, Glen Taylor was ready to get back under. Pressure was (as always) on McHale to win-now and never rebuild as long as the Wolves have KG, so some vets would be brought in through trade. With the death penalty for the Joe Smith deal reduced, McHale was undecided what to do with the #14 pick, and had 4-5 different ideas.
McHale met with McCants and liked his attitude. He was (and still is) very competitive, and he's a very hard worker. But the thing that sold McHale was his private work-out. He knew that McCants had explosive athleticism and could get to the hoop, but during the work-out, McCants drained 69-of-75 three pointers, and that sealed the deal.
Now, I don't know what the deal is with McCants now. Supposedly he is butting heads with new coach Randy Whitman, because he thinks he should be a starter (and if you played behind Marko Jaric, you might feel the same way). McCants makes mental mistakes from being overly aggressive when he's on the court, and he hates it when Whitman takes him out of games to tell him about it.
But the truth is, McHale picked McCants as a high risk/high return guy, and I think we still don't know about him. The micro-fracture surgery robbed him of 18 months of development (though he must have lived in the weight room) and when he came back, it took him a while to get back that old explosiveness. I personally prefer that the Wolves keep him, and see what McCants looks like starting the season fully healthy. I agree with others here though that his trade value is in the tank, so I hope MIN keeps him for a while.
While I think Craig Smith will probably be a better player than anyone you can get in the draft, I don't think he alone is worth the #16 pick, even if you move Willie Green plus the #16's salary. If Green is gone, does Telfair help you? I assume Louis Williams would be playing more SG besides a little PG, but I don't follow your team closely. Telfair was 10-6 last season, betetr than I expected with no apparent issues, but he's not the three-point shooter McCants is.