Possible Lineup Next Season - Positives and Negatives

[SendEm]

Alright Sendem i'm taking notes, get Fransisco Garcia and trade iggy for crap..

what else?

Draft well and wait for THE free agent or trade to come along. It will eventually come, ESPECIALLY if you have a large amount of money under the cap. That's a better approach than signing all of these "young" players to huge contracts hoping that they develop into something that they already aren't. If they don't become what you want then you are stuck with them as a GM while on the phone trying to pawn them off so that you can continue the cycle. I am a get it done right the first time guy. Garcia is right for the SF position. He's no Paul Pierce or Pippen but he's perfect especially for the money I feel like he will ultimately get.

[Sixerscan]

What makes our team any better than Atlanta was this past season moving forward? Once Miller leaves we are Atlanta all over again, no?

Dalembert Horford
Josh Smith "
Thad Marvin Williams
Iggy Joe Johnson
Lou Williams Bibby

So get something for Miller

[76ersFan1]

What does better closer to the rim mean?

It means iguodala is a BETTER player when he is CLOSER TO THE RIM as opposed to being a shooter, (Do- You- Understand?) which joe johnson is. I know joe johnson is capable of breaking down his guy too but what makes him the player he is is his ability to shoot. What makes iggy what he is is his ability to go to the rim. My point is that at every position we have a different type of player than the hawks so i don't see how we will be just like them.

[The Sixer Fixer]

What does better closer to the rim mean?

It means iguodala is a BETTER player when he is CLOSER TO THE RIM as opposed to being a shooter, (Do- You- Understand?) which joe johnson is. I know joe johnson is capable of breaking down his guy too but what makes him the player he is is his ability to shoot. What makes iggy what he is is his ability to go to the rim. My point is that at every position we have a different type of player than the hawks so i don't see how we will be just like them.

Wow - completely agree with SendEm on this "closer to the rim" thing. How long have you been watching Iguodala? Honestly, he's horrible close to the rim unless it's an uncontested dunk. He drives and as soon as the D closes on him he panics and thrown up some of the most awkward looking shots that I have ever seen. He doesn't have good body control in traffic..best case, you just hope he gets fouled and goes to the line, but the reality is that doesn't happen enough as it should. Andre tries to avoid contact and hang in the air and throw up crazy shots that have no chance to go in. This is the most frustrating part of his game to me (that and his handle is awful in traffic..he gets stripped way too often)

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Andre Iguodala is just too soft....I mean, he was playing with Allen Iverson, the toughest guy arguably to ever suit up on the court. He didn't man up to Iverson, he won't man up to anybody. Those flaws will stay and only dissappear if he's near a big man that can clear the lane.

Which is why Houston will want the young Iguodala for years to come over McGrady. Get that done Ed .

[76ersFan1]

so you are telling me you'd rather have iguodala taking jump shots than driving into the lane

[mmh119]

When the game slows down Josh Smith is absolutely worthless. He's strictly a regular season entertainer.He's not made for post season CHIP level basketball. His purpose in life is to fill seats, sell popcorn, and leave people in awe at his amazingly athletic highlight reel plays. That's it that's all...

How do you know what he's made of? He's 22 and hasn't won a championship. Your point? So if he fills seats and is entertaining that means he can't win a championship? Your ridiculous. The fact is it's hard for me under any circumstances turn down a player that is averageing three blocks 8 rebounds and over 15 points and is 22. But your right sendem, he has no room to grow.

You'll find that I'm always right when it comes to judging talent that's already in the NBA. A player like Francisco Garcia is completely off of the radar right now but he is one hell of a talent. He represents value. Give me him at SF for the peanuts that he'll make in his next contract over Josh Smith at PF for the insane amount that he'll receive. I'll use the money saved towards a real star/potential star player.

If you are always right when it comes to judging NBA talent then why do you not have a job in basketball? Face it you are just a fan your opinion is just as meaningless as everyone elses now please get over yourself.

[tanman636]

sendem knows what talent is. He KNOWS that roger mason jr. is TEN TIMES BETTER than Iggy.

SENDEM = BASKETBALL GODDD

[SendEm]

sendem knows what talent is. He KNOWS that roger mason jr. is TEN TIMES BETTER than Iggy.

SENDEM = BASKETBALL GODDD

You are of course being facetious but I'll gladly take Roger Mason and his miniature salary over Iggy and his huge salary, although I wouldn't trade Iggy for just Mason alone. People around the world value Iggy too much for a trade like that. I could get far more than just a Roger Mason Jr type player for Iggy. But as I have disclosed earlier in one of these threads I am willing to let Iggy walk for NOTHING rather than meet anything close to his contract demands. If we didn't have Thad then I would feel differently. I'm also the guy that was calling Danny Granger better than Iggy back in December. Iggy fans laughed. Now Iggy fans concede this point. Some Iggy fans STILL believe that Iggy is a better overall player than Kevin Martin, another player that I have been saying is better than Iggy. Rudy Gay is now on that Iggy level and he will surpass it as soon as the season begins. BTW Gay is a player that I said will be better than Iggy.

Rudy Gay
Danny Granger
Kevin Martin
Garcia
Mason
Posey

All players that I prefer over Iggy for one reason or another, salary not being the least of which...

[tk76]

Alright Sendem i'm taking notes, get Fransisco Garcia and trade iggy for crap..

what else?

Draft well and wait for THE free agent or trade to come along. It will eventually come, ESPECIALLY if you have a large amount of money under the cap. That's a better approach than signing all of these "young" players to huge contracts hoping that they develop into something that they already aren't. If they don't become what you want then you are stuck with them as a GM while on the phone trying to pawn them off so that you can continue the cycle. I am a get it done right the first time guy. Garcia is right for the SF position. He's no Paul Pierce or Pippen but he's perfect especially for the money I feel like he will ultimately get.

I agree it is important to draft well and be in position to trade for a star when they hit the market.

The thing is you need a decent core in place before you add that final vet star to put you over the top.

You need a collection of good if not great players to put next to a star. Complementary players like Iguodala and maybe Smith. If all you have is a bunch of marginal role players like Roger Mason Jr and Jamario Moon you will never get a star to come here, and wouldn't win anything if they did.

Have a roster w/Iguodala, Young, Lou and Maybe Josh Smith.

Then at the deadline move Millers 10M expiring, 2 #1's, filler and one of our good young players for a vet star. Now all of the sudden you have a star (15M+ guy) next to Iguodala(9M), Sam(10M), Lou(4M), Thad(2M) and Smith(11M). If you can't do it this year there still is a big window to add that last piece sometime in the next three years as the rest of the roster improves.

Guess what- that's a contender with lots of weapons and is still well under the tax. Thats how you win.

[SendEm]

tk76 I want to disagree with your point of not being able to get a vet star here because you made the sort of players that I like that are cheap values become the entire core of the team. It was just silly of you to say a team full of Roger Mason's and Moon's. Sure I like them over Iggy, but I don't like them over Granger and Kevin Martin. Somewhere along the line in the drafting, trading, and free agent process you lost sight that I would FROM THE BEGINNING look to identify players like Granger and Martin over the Iggy's and Josh Smith's of the world. You took it out of the hypothetical realm and applied it to what the Sixers currently have. For what the Sixers currently have I would have traded Iggy away a long time ago and it would have NEVER gotten to this point. I also wouldn't have signed Mutombo, Eric Snow, Mckie and Kenny Thomas to those huge contracts. We would have went through the beginning phase of a major tear down right after that Finals appearance OR I just would have made better trade acquisitions.

Right now it's a little too late. Iggy should have already been traded so I don't view that as the greatest option nor do I see signing him as the greatest option. I just see us as being backed up against the wall and choosing between Freddie Kruger gutting us with his finger knives or Michael Myers slashing us with a machete. We are cooked.

[Mik317]

I know we give Snow alot of **** around here.........but the man was a BIG part of that fianls run we had.

[eyeatoma]

I know we give Snow alot of **** around here.........but the man was a BIG part of that fianls run we had.

Who gives Snow a lot of ****? I believe he was one of the most beloved players in a sixers uniform. Sure he couldn't shoot to save his life, but he always seemed to make timely baskets, was a wonderful floor leader, passed well although not spectacular in that department. The most effective part of his game was his defense...IMO he should have been named 1st team all nba that year, was he?

Anyways Knux I know you aren't saying snow wasn't any good, but I don't really remember people bashing him on this board.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Who the hell bashes Snow and Mckie? Those two playmakers around Allen Iverson to utalize him as a scorer was just brilliant. Say what you will about LB. But he has a thing for finding guys that do the little things. When it goes down, Snow and McKie should one day be hall of famers they were excellent players. Not Superstars, but they were guys that if you put them into your rotation you win games.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

so you are telling me you'd rather have iguodala taking jump shots than driving into the lane

Not what we want, but seeing as he can't take contact and finish W Contact or even adjust his shot after contact. Him shooting jumpers will probably be the most effective way to have him score the ball.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

There's no way to claim Iggy is more effective shooting jumpers than going to the hole. THAT'S ALL HE HAS on offense.

[SendEm]

Snow and Mckie were good players with HUGE hearts, but they benefited from the pre zone defense days when a million isolation plays could be called for Iverson. Eric Snow as a young player would be garbage in today's NBA. Mckie and Snow are a rare breed of player much like Derek Fisher. Brandon Roy is similar but he has superstar athletic ability. Too bad Snow couldn't shoot and Mckie was such a poor athlete.

[76ersFan1]

wow, if you really think iguodala is better at taking jumpers than driving to the hoop then i dont know what basketball you are watching. I agree his dribbling can be awkward and he isnt the greatest finisher ever but his jumping ability enables him to score easily on layups driving in the lane so i'd much rather have him driving than settling for jumpers. But if you want a dunker shooting fadeaways instead then suit yourself