What If Iggy Had Actually Signed The Contract?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

To further Sendem's point: Boris Diaw had good years in PHX because of their uptempo style, given minutes and people to pass the ball to.

Now before the ATL/PHX trade, have you EVER heard of the name Boris Diaw? I'm guessing "no".

Diaw, nor Iguodala can create shots for themselves. Both would look amazing next to Steve Nash. Hell, Andre Miller let Iguodala look like a starter. The general rule is: If you can't create shots for yourself, you can't create shots for others. The exceptions are point guards who can create their own shot but not hit them. I'm speaking of Jason Kidd. Who'll always average 8-15 PPG. But you can always expect him to near double-figure assist numbers.

Andre Miller can create shots for himself and his team-mate. His lack of defense however and his inability to hit the 3(Jason Kidd can hit it at one point or another), keeps him from being in Jason Kidd/CP3/T.J Ford discussion. But Miller's a hell of a point guard.

Andre's 5 rebounds are expected for a 6'6, near 6'7 forward. But if Iguodala ever wants to prove to me and Sendem that he REALLY averages those 6 assists(instead of being able to dump it off to the Carney's, Miller's and Thad's when he can't get to the rack). Then he needs to show us that he can score inside the paint. And that takes Andre being able to get the shot off in contact, adjust shots after contact.

And these are things that Iggy, either can't or won't do as a player. My only disagreement with Sendem is that Iguodala can't succeed without being the primary ball-handler. I find this to be untrue. I think that if Iguodala were on a team that could create open looks for him. He'll look like 20-5-5. A team with a legit big man or an elite guard(EX: Andre Miller) brings out the most in iggy.

We were lottery bound untill Thaddeus Young and the other kids stepped in. I can't wait for their improvement as a team.

[Ca]

Not going to lie Sendem makes a great point here. You don't pay 12million for someone that cannot even produce in the half-court.

[ChuckS]

I cannot understand why Iggy does not play better.

The game is so simple...even for the basketball ignorant and those whose athletic prowess relegate them to watching from a soft recliner.

I do not know if I could go so far as to call him a role player however. It seems to me to be obscene hyperbole or evidence of a tendency toward the basketball moronic.

My goodness! I've even seen him get a few shots blocked while trying too much in a clogged lane. I know it has happened to Wilt against Russell, and even recently by Duncan on Sam. But Andre is so strong and can leap so high. It is unconscionable!

I will never understand how he is shooting 69% inside while real players like Kevin Martin and Josh Smith are averaging 61% and 62% respectively.

I realize he averaged 20, 5, and five, at 46%, and can handle the ball a little. But why must we have to watch him playing in the halfcourt when he has only made 101 threes at a modest 33%. We already have an heir apparent who has demonstrated his potential superiority by making six threes this year at 31%...and the kid can already dribble like Marques Haynes.

In summary, I say screw great defense. It is overrated. Forget that some supposed experts have him rated third at his position. The board has its own, who are obviously less biased and more knowledgeable and trustworthy. We can replace AI by paying more to a tiny two guard who can give us the same points per game, at 23% three point shooting. Wouldn't even one of the "Three Stooges" do something like that? Why are we even negotiating?

[freshie2]

Too much logic...you need to be more emotionally charged in your responses.

Think of about 30 more titles for that post, and copy/paste it into a new thread, repeatedly, until you use up all of the titles.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Maybe because he did all of those things whilist our NUMBER ONE OPTION.

Iguodala as a number one option will never lead you to a title.

Neither will paying him like he is one and once Stefanski does that, go protest at the Wachovia center due to the many losing seasons to follow.

[ChuckS]

[quote] "Iguodala as a number one option will never lead you to a title."


So what! Ten years of Iverson and eight years of Barkley as number ones also never lead me to a title. All I got was older.

I will not crucify a very good ballplayer, paid less than $4 mil, because he was the only one (except for maybe Miller) who had enough talent to become a number one on this team, by vastly upping his game. Now if I heard rumors that he was seeking the $100 mil or $80 mil being paid Arenas or Brand, or the $20mil/per being paid Iverson or Marbury, I, too, might be whining like a hysterical "broad".

I just want to keep him because he is what a good team needs, whether it gets anyone better, or not, or goes the Piston's route. I prefer to assume that Ed Stefanski has learned as least as much as you in all of his years, and will find a pay compromise closely commensurate with Andre's current and future potential.

[SendEm]

Chris Paul just signed a 4 year deal for $17 mil per. Kevin Martin signed a 5 year deal for $11 million per before this season. In 2005 Joe Johnson signed a 5 year deal at $14 per. In 2004 Manu signed a 6 year deal at $8.6 per. Billy King gave Iggy a very good contract based upon his potential entering the 07-08 season. But after this season his value has dropped. Iggy should get a Mo Williams contract that was signed at the beginning of the 07-08 season for $51 million over 6 seasons or $8.5 per...

[freshie2]

The title of this thread is, "What if..." retrospective thoughts only...the "He should..." comments can go on any of your other "Iguodala is an overpaid WNBA caliber player" threads. If Iggy had actually signed the contract, we'd still be reading the same posts.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Exactly. Only we'd be lamonting another OVERPAID contract.

Billy King loves these.

[Peanut]

Hey guys, outsider here. I think its best to part ways with the guy. He's averaging 20/5/5 (now exactly, but I'll round the numbers) in 40 mpg which isn't that impressive and he plays good d. I think the Sixers should try to cash in now and do a s&t for him (Monta isn't a 3 pt shooter, but a deadly midrange shooter, explosive, and better than Iggy). while teams still feel he'll be great. I don't even see a allstar team in his future. For him to be putting up those numbers, in the East, in 40 mpg, as the #1 option, isn't impressive. Its his 2nd year as "the man" and his 4th year in the league. I'm not buying the "he just became the man" stuff. He's been in the league long enough and if that's all he can do, then he needs to go. Great players (Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh) played their *** off and were superstars by 24, Iggy just don't have it. Cash in now while the chance is available.

[PhillyRocks1]

Hey guys, outsider here. I think its best to part ways with the guy. He's averaging 20/5/5 (now exactly, but I'll round the numbers) in 40 mpg which isn't that impressive and he plays good d. I think the Sixers should try to cash in now and do a s&t for him (Monta isn't a 3 pt shooter, but a deadly midrange shooter, explosive, and better than Iggy). while teams still feel he'll be great. I don't even see a allstar team in his future. For him to be putting up those numbers, in the East, in 40 mpg, as the #1 option, isn't impressive. Its his 2nd year as "the man" and his 4th year in the league. I'm not buying the "he just became the man" stuff. He's been in the league long enough and if that's all he can do, then he needs to go. Great players (Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh) played their *** off and were superstars by 24, Iggy just don't have it. Cash in now while the chance is available.

All of those great players. LeBron, Melo, Wade, Bosh. All great players.

And yet they all have the same amount of rings as Iguodala has. Did you ever think with that much money tied to one player that they might never win a ring?

Iggy might not be a main piece, but he is a piece.

[Wilfried]

All of those great players. LeBron, Melo, Wade, Bosh. All great players.

And yet they all have the same amount of rings as Iguodala has. Did you ever think with that much money tied to one player that they might never win a ring?

Iggy might not be a main piece, but he is a piece.

Wade has a ring

[Mik317]

Those guys were giving the keys from day one...........Iggy was brought in to be AI's comrade of awesome.....but then AI said Eff dis and left leaving us with a guy wh owas soposed to be Robin and began to hope he'd become Batman.

Bad Comic book metaphores aside. Your telling me that 20/5/5 isn't impressive when in fact like only 4 guys avaeraged that this year? For all the guy's faults ( Geez Louise is that list long) Iggy is a solid contributer who works hawd on his game every summer and comes back with new moves and everything. he's added to his game every single year he's been in the league. So who to say he won't addd somethign even better this year

the fact that Iggy wasn't teh man before this season is pretty big as well. Iggy wasn't the man in high shcol/college liek Wade and the gang so in reality .....This whole process is new to the guy.

But hey it's your opinion, and I hope you continue to post here.

[ChuckS]

I'll admit that I am a fan of the Detroit model, which uses three $10Mil, one $14Mil, and one $8mil starter, so I probably would prefer to keep Andre. With Iguodala, Sam and, for a while, Miller, we are closer to attaining and affording that type of team. It is difficult for me, however, to understand why a good defender, who also averages 20,5,&,5, is not considered impressive. Comparing such to only a few elite players in the game, and overlooking the masses of mediocrity in the watered down league could, I suppose, skew an impression.

I have no particular attraction to Iguodala. I just believe it is unwise to try to get better by dumping one of our few good players. I would prefer to strengthen the team by first adding a few other like or better talents. I, however, do not rule out getting better by moving anyone if a trade will make us stronger. That works sometime.

I can envision losing him in a failed contract negotiation. That is even more likely this year when we are desperate to throw all available money at a player who fills a position of great(er) need. Not paying Andre the equal of that player, who may be an equal or lesser talent, could be problematic. Fortunately we will be OK for one year, unless GS' interest in him is real. Ultimately, though, if we cannot sign and trade him it will our significant loss.

I also caution about the dangers of "The Grass is Greener Syndrome". Some it seems have disregarded his yearly improvements and excellence in the 82 games which got us to the playoffs. They seem to be basing his worth on an admittedly poor 6 game playoff series, totally scoffing at the idea that it could have been an aberration, bad matchup, or learning experience. Incongruously they advocate replacing him with a nice player, whose only playoff experience was two horrible series (11 games) in which he averaged 8 points at 39%, when he averaged near 17 at 48% in the regular season. Maybe Andre's effort was a harbinger, but after watching a proven clutch player like Ray Allen stink up a couple of series this year and later star, I remain disinclined to be too precipitous.

[sixers hoops]

I'll admit that I am a fan of the Detroit model, which uses three $10Mil, one $14Mil, and one $8mil starter, so I probably would prefer to keep Andre. With Iguodala, Sam and, for a while, Miller, we are closer to attaining and affording that type of team. It is difficult for me, however, to understand why a good defender, who also averages 20,5,&,5, is not considered impressive. Comparing such to only a few elite players in the game, and overlooking the masses of mediocrity in the watered down league could, I suppose, skew an impression.

I agree that Andre is a nice piece to the puzzle; however, he wants to be the 14 mill piece, rather than the 11 mill piece. Some people believe that once you're over the cap, who cares if a guy makes 14 mill or 11 mill. I do, because it puts a strain on your payroll.

Realistically, an extra 3 mill per year for Andre affects his trade value, our ability to use the mid-level if luxury tax is a concern, and sets a precedent for what players who are better than him will expect to sign with us.

Andre at the original 5 years, 57 million was a fair market value for a borderline All-Star. With him now overvaluing himself, or at least expecting more than I would be willing to offer, makes him less of an asset. My position is to offer the same deal and go into the season with him unsigned long-term if necessary.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Or sign and trade him. Seriously, it's not too hard to part ways with the guy. Is he a great asset? Yes. Is he replacable? Also, yes. If I were Ed Stefanski, I would look for trade options right now.