Deng On Verge of Signing: 6 years/$70MIL

[bedjaw]

This isnt good. Iggy is simply going to say, " Deng got 70 mil and Im WAY more valuable, gimme 80"

Dream on..

Deng is a better player than Iggy. Deng is a legit scorer with class A defense. Iggy is a wanna-be scorer with class A defense.

Before we get into a debate. Check out how Deng's performance against Tayshaun during the play-offs.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/382 ... ?year=2006
10-11m players don't get choked during play-offs. Hell, even Dalembert knows that.

Anyway, Iggy is bound to be overpaid. And I can understand if Sixers ends up overpaying Iggy. But I think it's really stupid to give him more than what the Bulls gave Deng.

Deng? Better than Iguodala? What exactly did you see in Deng last year that would warrant that statement.

Dude...don't even bother! There are a few on these boards who are just stuck on the idea that Iggy is average. Their problem is they see Iggy 82 time a year and are able to disect his flaws over and over. Forget about the fact that Deng was the so called leader of a team the undertook one of the biggest collapses in the last 5 years. And there lies the problem with trying to dialogue with these guys.....you end up ripping some pretty good players just to make your point. There are some good discussion on these boards so i would recommend just ignoring the iggy bashers. If not it is like banging your head against the wall.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

What exactly are Iggy's stengths?

He's a decent rebounder, passer. And I guess, scorer. So he's a complete good NBA player. But he's a far cry from Josh Howard, Kevin Martin, Tayshaun Prince. Samuel Dalembert showed marked improvement after his playoff series. Not like the Eddy Curry's and Jerome James's of the league. Iguodala showed nothing but his weaknesses during the playoffs.

The very same weaknesses that make me barely commit to him at 10 M a year.

[The Guilty Party]

I think a lot of us are really overreacting to the idea of Iguodala getting a 6 year/$70MIL deal. Is he worth $10MIL a year right now?? It's a close call but I would say yes given his all-around game. The key here is that we will have him locked up for 6 years and almost completely through his prime.

Over the course of those 6 years, we will probably see the salary cap increase by somewhere between $10-$12MIL. We will also see the MLE probably increase by $5.6 up to something closer to $8MIL. Point being that as this deal goes on, I think it'll end up being a solid contract.

I've been one of the posters saying that I would investigate all sign-and-trade possibilities before giving Iguodala a huge sum of money but based on the market, this really isn't going to be a bad deal and won't break the Sixers hopes of landing good players in the future.

[KrazySixersD]

It's funny how someone owns a certain poster on here with stats and facts showing another misconception of Iguodala. Then, that poster tries to make excuses saying Deng was distracted... are you serious? is that a real attempt to counter his FACTS? wow... sad

[philbe311]

I wouldn't trust 75% of realgm posters to give me correct change for a dollar much less tell me accurately which player is better at basketball.

Priceless... The best response I've seen on realgm in my 5+ years of visiting these boards..

It amazes me the swing in the perception of Andre's ability from this time last year until now... He had a horrible playoff series, no doubts about it... However, I agree 100% with TGPs assessment of the situation...

[tk76]

It amazes me the swing in the perception of Andre's ability from this time last year until now... He had a horrible playoff series, no doubts about it... However, I agree 100% with TGPs assessment of the situation...

I credit some of the shift to a cer certain poster who will not be named. HWWNBN led a surprisingly effective smear campaign against Iguodala- shows that propganda even from an unreliable source can have an effect over time.

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As for the team showing Iguodala a commitment and having no distractions last year... was he subject to the same failed negotiations and the same RFA cloud over him as Deng last year?

Deng was hampered by injuries- the whole other distractions thing is not a good explanation.

[The Guilty Party]

In looking at the Sixers cap/tax situation, I'm really hoping Iguodala signs a frontloaded contract. We have some room under the tax right now and so I don't see a reason to waste it. Let's cram as much of Iguodala's cash into the deal upfront so that as time goes on, our cap situation will get better and better.

[tk76]

In fact the whole Sendem situation had the smell of a school project on the effects of propaganda and social engineering. It was so monotonous that is had that almost unreal, academic feel to it. Almost like we were Pavlov's dogs or rats in a cage getting Iggy Shocks for a year....

[eyeatoma]

HWWNBN, hahahah, what is this Harry Potter???

Classic tk76...thats jokes...

[tk76]

In looking at the Sixers cap/tax situation, I'm really hoping Iguodala signs a frontloaded contract. We have some room under the tax right now and so I don't see a reason to waste it. Let's cram as much of Iguodala's cash into the deal upfront so that as time goes on, our cap situation will get better and better.

Since Brand brings them to the cap, how much combined $'s are left under the tax for Iguodala and Lou?

[The Guilty Party]

It amazes me the swing in the perception of Andre's ability from this time last year until now... He had a horrible playoff series, no doubts about it... However, I agree 100% with TGPs assessment of the situation...

I credit some of the shift to a cer certain poster who will not be named. HWWNBN led a surprisingly effective smear campaign against Iguodala- shows that propganda even from an unreliable source can have an effect over time.

While HWMNBN may have played a part in changing Iguodala's perception, I think Iguodala in the playoffs was the real factor. It wasn't so much that he was cold from the field but he struggled to get off a clean attempt and it wasn't all Tayshaun doing the damage.

I'm all for re-signing Iguodala to a 6 year/$70MIL deal but even I still have the image of Sheed blocking Iguodala back to back times under the basket in the playoffs.

[9th Wonder]

It's funny how the average annual salary of a six year deal for $70 million equates to almost exactly that of the five year deal for $57 million that many posters were hoping Iguodala would sign last year. The playoffs aside, I'd say he showed a satisfactory improvement last season, which leads me to question why some are now unhappy with the idea of offering Iguodala basically the same contract.

If the Deng deal is in fact true, I would peg Iguodala in at $68 million over six years. I think Deng is the better player, but by an almost negligible amount.

Now let's hope that Stefanski can get the Iguodala and Williams deals done at a fair price--and as others have mentioned--frontload them to the extent that the salary stays under the luxury tax.

[ChuckS]

[quote] "I credit some of the shift to a certain poster who will not be named HWWNBN led a surprisingly effective smear campaign against Iguodala- shows that propganda even from an unreliable source can have an effect over time"


I think it was PT Barnum, paraphrasing Abe Lincoln, (or maybe it was Dick Cheney) who said: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, and those are pretty good odds." But that utterance was before the internet. Now you merely have to convince one person to believe he has heard the voice of God. If you are lucky he will repeat it incessantly, as if everyone else online was too stupid to understand him the first fifty times.

Does anyone else wonder if HWWNBN is really absent? Maybe I'm just paranoid and it is HWWNBN Jr, along with HWWNBN Lite perpetuating the "Big Lie".

[eyeatoma]

In fact the whole Sendem situation had the smell of a school project on the effects of propaganda and social engineering. It was so monotonous that is had that almost unreal, academic feel to it. Almost like we were Pavlov's dogs or rats in a cage getting Iggy Shocks for a year....

Somewhere sendem is rubbing his palms together, letting out an evil laugh. It was all part of the plan, muawahahahahahaha...

Oh man, the Pavlov experiment was a nice touch. You a funny man....

[The Guilty Party]

Somewhere sendem is rubbing his palms together, letting out an evil laugh. It was all part of the plan, muawahahahahahaha...

Oh man, the Pavlov experiment was a nice touch. You a funny man....

I don't know what is worse: HWMNBN actually hating Iguodala that much or HWMNBN conducting a social experiment on all of us suckers.

Eh.... while I didn't put him on the "ignore" list, I never got all worked up over his hot air and thread hijacking.

[bebopdeluxe]

It's interesting...when HWMNBN was wreaking havoc on this forum, I decided to take a break from here, as all of the thread hijacking infected this board to the point where I found it to be a waste of time to get involved in any meaningful way...when he was booted, the general tone of the board improved and it was fun to get reingaged. In my opinion, as I have written in another current thread, I sense that the board is backsliding again...with an increasing lack of respect for the opinions of posters and a tone of condescention in certain posters attitudes.

I wonder if - given group dynamic psychology and the easy ability to be mean and disrespectful on an internet forum (in a way that we would never be to each other if we were in a bar sharing a beer), that it is simply inevitable that posters like SendEm and Ricky will be a part of any internet forum like this...

[The Guilty Party]

If this discussion happened in a bar, a majority of people here wouldn't say anything much less anything disrespectful. Of course, I would dump my beer over your head and slap your mother twice across the lips... well, that's what you get for bringing your mother to the bar.

You are right though... you will always find annoying people on message boards and so you just have to come to grips with it and keep on, keepin' on.

[Mik317]

If I said half the **** I say I here at a bar, I'd get shanked..........

But with THAT GUY gone this board is just antsy about starting the first season in which they would be relevant in a long time.


as for Iggy, I just wish he sign his damn contract already so we can let it go....and talk about more important things..........like Why does Willie Green suck so much.

[Phillyboy]

My concern is that although the Sixers would prefer to resign Igoudala there must be some line in the sand where he'll be considered too expensive. Is that line 70M? Can't be much higher than that. He's a very nice player but he is not a big man (big men get paid) and he's not yet an all star quality swing man. Honestly, how much is too much?

At what point do the Sixers make their best and final offer and how does Igoudala react?

Some believe that the Deng negotiations are good for the Igoudala negotiations but I think it makes things more difficult because it sets the bar high.

We can argue all day which guy, Deng or Igoudala is better (I go with Igoudala Hey Sixerscan, I think I can make change for a dollar ) but it's reasonable to think that Igoudala and his agent will consider the two comparable for contract purposes.

[kanga]

"NBA SALARY EVALUATOR PROGRAM"

Hey guys, I saw this posted on the Suns board and thought it might be interesting:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=829366

I can't quite decipher what exactly it means or how accurate it is. Is this "evaluator program" estimating Iguodala's worth at $15 a year?