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Double Digit Scorers/100+?
How many double digits scorers do you think the 76ers will have this season. Here are the canidates
Automatic:
-Iggy
-Miller
-Brand
Barely making the cut:
-Daly
-WG
Up and comers:
-Lou
-Thaddeous
Thats possibly 7 players.( Do you think all 5 starters will get it done?)
That fits perfectly into Eds plan of spread out scoring Piston style.
Who here thinks we will average 3 figure scoring this season? (100+ points for those confused)
Lets think it out
Starters:
Andre Miller- Not as much as last year because he isnt forced to be that guy. Lets assume he drops his average by a bucket and a half a game. Give em 14.
Andre Igoudala- Does he get more than last season(19.9) or less? Im gonna go with less. Lets say 18.
Thaddeous Young- He averaged 10 in the playoffs and I think thats more like the Young we will be sesing this season. Ill go with 12 here.
Elton Brand- I dont know about you guys but Im expected Brand to be a beast. However he IS coming back from an injury, so Im gonna put em down for 21.
Daly- He averaged 10 last season and I dont see that moving too far. He will get less touches with brand here but he will also benefit from the attention Elton receives(more ez hoops). Keep em at 10
(Starter Total: 75 points)
Bench:
Louis Williams: Averaged 12 last season and getting better and better. I expect his assists to go up more than his points, or at least I hope. Putting him down for the same as Miller, 14.
Willie Green: Also averaged 12 last season but I see his production going the other way, being down. Unless Rush extremely disapoints, I think we will see Kareem take over Carneys minutes and Thad will push WG out of the starting lineup, I hope. Bottom Line, 10.
Royal Ivey, Kareem Rush and Reggie Evans: Who knows what we are gonna get out of these, maybe 3 from evans and 6 from Rush, really tough to say about Ivey, but Ill put them down for a combined 10.
(Bench Total: 34 points)
Now I know we arnt gonna average 109 points a game, but looking at the numbers, if we keep running, I think 100 a game is certainly in our reach.
Thoughts?
Automatic:
-Iggy
-Miller
-Brand
Barely making the cut:
-Daly
-WG
Up and comers:
-Lou
-Thaddeous
Thats possibly 7 players.( Do you think all 5 starters will get it done?)
That fits perfectly into Eds plan of spread out scoring Piston style.
Who here thinks we will average 3 figure scoring this season? (100+ points for those confused)
Lets think it out
Starters:
Andre Miller- Not as much as last year because he isnt forced to be that guy. Lets assume he drops his average by a bucket and a half a game. Give em 14.
Andre Igoudala- Does he get more than last season(19.9) or less? Im gonna go with less. Lets say 18.
Thaddeous Young- He averaged 10 in the playoffs and I think thats more like the Young we will be sesing this season. Ill go with 12 here.
Elton Brand- I dont know about you guys but Im expected Brand to be a beast. However he IS coming back from an injury, so Im gonna put em down for 21.
Daly- He averaged 10 last season and I dont see that moving too far. He will get less touches with brand here but he will also benefit from the attention Elton receives(more ez hoops). Keep em at 10
(Starter Total: 75 points)
Bench:
Louis Williams: Averaged 12 last season and getting better and better. I expect his assists to go up more than his points, or at least I hope. Putting him down for the same as Miller, 14.
Willie Green: Also averaged 12 last season but I see his production going the other way, being down. Unless Rush extremely disapoints, I think we will see Kareem take over Carneys minutes and Thad will push WG out of the starting lineup, I hope. Bottom Line, 10.
Royal Ivey, Kareem Rush and Reggie Evans: Who knows what we are gonna get out of these, maybe 3 from evans and 6 from Rush, really tough to say about Ivey, but Ill put them down for a combined 10.
(Bench Total: 34 points)
Now I know we arnt gonna average 109 points a game, but looking at the numbers, if we keep running, I think 100 a game is certainly in our reach.
Thoughts?
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Since not every player plays 82 games the sum of the player averages will be several points more than the team average.
I see the team scoring about 100 ppg, but having one of the better point differentials in the league (and lots of wins.) I think their style might lead to lots of blow-outs, because if they get running they could unsetttle and steamroll a lot of teams. '
I see decreases in scoring for Iguodala (17-8), Miller (13) and Brand (19-20).
Thad and Lou will be up. Lou could even get 15 ppg if he gets the minutes.
I see the team scoring about 100 ppg, but having one of the better point differentials in the league (and lots of wins.) I think their style might lead to lots of blow-outs, because if they get running they could unsetttle and steamroll a lot of teams. '
I see decreases in scoring for Iguodala (17-8), Miller (13) and Brand (19-20).
Thad and Lou will be up. Lou could even get 15 ppg if he gets the minutes.
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It is very likely that we see six double digit scorers, from each of our starters and Lou off the bench. There's no way Green is averaging 10 points per game. It's possible that he gets just 10 minutes per game...
I recall someone mentioning that we could see all of our starters shooting at or above 47% from the field. That would be very impressive. Our team as a whole could shoot close to 50%. This kind of scoring efficiency and the great defense we expect to see from them will make us a very dangerous team...
I recall someone mentioning that we could see all of our starters shooting at or above 47% from the field. That would be very impressive. Our team as a whole could shoot close to 50%. This kind of scoring efficiency and the great defense we expect to see from them will make us a very dangerous team...
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sixerswillrule wrote:I recall someone mentioning that we could see all of our starters shooting at or above 47% from the field. That would be very impressive. Our team as a whole could shoot close to 50%. This kind of scoring efficiency and the great defense we expect to see from them will make us a very dangerous team...
I posted that a few times- it depends on if Iguodala improves now that he won't have to carry the load. Also, I expect Thad's percentage to go down some now that he will start on the wing.
Interesting quote from Iguodala today:
“Either my points will go up or my assists will go way up (because of Brand) — one of the two are going to go way up. I think with him being on the inside and me being able to penetrate and if they collapse, dishing off to him. He can finish inside or he can knock down a 15- or 18-footer. It’s going to help us become a better unit.”
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I call January 25th as thedate that the Sixers hit bottom last year. That night they lost to the hapless Knicks. It was game 44 of the season and the Sixers record at that point was 16 wins and 28 losses. They were averaging 93 points per game and surrendering over 96. Not surprising for a team 12 games under.
Then something happened. For the last 38 games the Sixers averaged 100.6 points per game. They changed the tempo and still managed to keep opponents to 96 points. That differential led them to a 24-14 record (a pace that is equivalent to 51 wins).
So what can we expect from the Sixers this coming season. It's scary, but this team could score 103 points a game.
Brand, Miller, Iguodala will likely average 53 points per game (I am assuming they will play less minutes because the Sixers will be winning more often and because the bench is so much better). I expect these three players will share the ball. Call it 20, 15, 18 ppg.
Young and Dalembert should be good for 24 points between them, bringing the starters' average to 77 ppg.
I think Williams will have a terrific year.maybe the Sixth Man award. He should score thirteen. It's not too hard to imagine Green, Spreights, Evans, et al adding another 13 or so.
Another way to look at it.Dalembert and Miller will be the same players this year (but will be helped by Brand on the floor). Brand will score more than the Young/Evans combo (though by the end of the year that combo was scoring over 16 and shooting 50%). We can expect that Iguodala at the 2 will be more productive than Green. Young will not be as productive at the 3 as Iggy due to the faster defenders and the need to learn how to play the position. I expect the Iguodala/Brand upticks will outweigh the Young downtick. And the bench is filled with players who are getting better with age.
The Sixers should be one of the top offensive teams next year. But can they play defense as well as teams that go deep into the playoffs? See my other post on that question.
Then something happened. For the last 38 games the Sixers averaged 100.6 points per game. They changed the tempo and still managed to keep opponents to 96 points. That differential led them to a 24-14 record (a pace that is equivalent to 51 wins).
So what can we expect from the Sixers this coming season. It's scary, but this team could score 103 points a game.
Brand, Miller, Iguodala will likely average 53 points per game (I am assuming they will play less minutes because the Sixers will be winning more often and because the bench is so much better). I expect these three players will share the ball. Call it 20, 15, 18 ppg.
Young and Dalembert should be good for 24 points between them, bringing the starters' average to 77 ppg.
I think Williams will have a terrific year.maybe the Sixth Man award. He should score thirteen. It's not too hard to imagine Green, Spreights, Evans, et al adding another 13 or so.
Another way to look at it.Dalembert and Miller will be the same players this year (but will be helped by Brand on the floor). Brand will score more than the Young/Evans combo (though by the end of the year that combo was scoring over 16 and shooting 50%). We can expect that Iguodala at the 2 will be more productive than Green. Young will not be as productive at the 3 as Iggy due to the faster defenders and the need to learn how to play the position. I expect the Iguodala/Brand upticks will outweigh the Young downtick. And the bench is filled with players who are getting better with age.
The Sixers should be one of the top offensive teams next year. But can they play defense as well as teams that go deep into the playoffs? See my other post on that question.
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I smell Lou having a breakout season this year.
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ehem...
THERE IS NO O IN THADDEUS YOUNG'S NAME. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN O SINCE HE GOT DRAFTED. ALRIGHT WELL MAYBE THERE IS ONE IN HIS LAST NAME BUT NOT HIS FIRST. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE STOP SPELLING IT WITH AN O THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
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THERE IS NO O IN THADDEUS YOUNG'S NAME. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN O SINCE HE GOT DRAFTED. ALRIGHT WELL MAYBE THERE IS ONE IN HIS LAST NAME BUT NOT HIS FIRST. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE STOP SPELLING IT WITH AN O THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
thank you
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I don't really see Williams doing significantly better then last season. Not to mean that as a bad thing, of course. He played very nicely last year. But with Young now starting at SF and Iggy at SG, we'll have Green coming off the bench. That's in addition to Rush and Ivey, although he probably won't be a factor. So it's fair to say that Lou won't be getting any more playing time then he did before. If he can increase his production within that time, that would be fantastic, but I doubt it.
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Miller 13-15, Miller had a banner year last year, don’t expect it every year.
Iggy 19-21, Really don’t see Iggy’s production slowing down any.
Brand 20-22, If Brand doesn’t average 20-22 Sixers will be in trouble.
Young 12-15, Just a tad better than last year. Won’t see the ball as much. Has room to be most improved on the team. Numbers could be higher.
Dalembert 8-10, Will have to get the points himself. Don’t see many plays being called his way.
72-83 Points
Bench 30-34 points, I don’t think the bench is any worse or any better than last year. Bench averaged about 34 points last year, don’t see that changing. It all comes down to touches. Not enough touches to go around.
Low side 102
High side 117
I really think this team can average between 100-102 PPG.
I really don’t think the Sixers can run any more than they did last year. Brand’s teams normally run about the same pace has the Sixers did last year. Sixers weren’t even close to being a running team last year IMO. Teams like Phoenix, Golden State, Indiana, Denver and quite a few other teams come to mind as being running teams before I would consider the Sixers.
Iggy 19-21, Really don’t see Iggy’s production slowing down any.
Brand 20-22, If Brand doesn’t average 20-22 Sixers will be in trouble.
Young 12-15, Just a tad better than last year. Won’t see the ball as much. Has room to be most improved on the team. Numbers could be higher.
Dalembert 8-10, Will have to get the points himself. Don’t see many plays being called his way.
72-83 Points
Bench 30-34 points, I don’t think the bench is any worse or any better than last year. Bench averaged about 34 points last year, don’t see that changing. It all comes down to touches. Not enough touches to go around.
Low side 102
High side 117
I really think this team can average between 100-102 PPG.
I really don’t think the Sixers can run any more than they did last year. Brand’s teams normally run about the same pace has the Sixers did last year. Sixers weren’t even close to being a running team last year IMO. Teams like Phoenix, Golden State, Indiana, Denver and quite a few other teams come to mind as being running teams before I would consider the Sixers.
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Would agree K...if Thad gets to 15 this season, that would be great. Otherwise, I don't think Brand reduces everyone's numbers. Miller will score slightly less d/t less need. Iguodala should get better looks and score around the same with a higher percentage. Thad and Sam will be somewhere around 10, but their output for this season is tougher to gauge.
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The Sixers last year had only an average pace, but were among the league leaders in fast break points (and led the league in dunks.)
That's a good combination of defense and getting out on the break. It is winning basketball, and is why they made the playoffs despite having the worse 3pt shooting and low post offense in the NBA. If they can keep the opportunistic style while upgrading the half court with Brand they could be a top team- even if not quite a contender until their shooting improves.
The hard part will be maintaining the same defense and fast break opportunistic style despite changing to a much bigger lineup. It is easier to trap and generate turnovers with a smalller team. Now that Thad and Iguodala are shifting down a position, and you are essentially replacing WG with Brand in the starting line-up, it might not be as good of a trapping, turnover generating team- but should be even better in the half court defense with Brand/Sam across the front line.
Should be interesting to see how the larger line-up effects their style. I still expect themn to try an run withplayers like Iguodala, Young and Lou.
That's a good combination of defense and getting out on the break. It is winning basketball, and is why they made the playoffs despite having the worse 3pt shooting and low post offense in the NBA. If they can keep the opportunistic style while upgrading the half court with Brand they could be a top team- even if not quite a contender until their shooting improves.
The hard part will be maintaining the same defense and fast break opportunistic style despite changing to a much bigger lineup. It is easier to trap and generate turnovers with a smalller team. Now that Thad and Iguodala are shifting down a position, and you are essentially replacing WG with Brand in the starting line-up, it might not be as good of a trapping, turnover generating team- but should be even better in the half court defense with Brand/Sam across the front line.
Should be interesting to see how the larger line-up effects their style. I still expect themn to try an run withplayers like Iguodala, Young and Lou.
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Sixerscan wrote:ehem...
THERE IS NO O IN THADDEUS YOUNG'S NAME. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN O SINCE HE GOT DRAFTED. ALRIGHT WELL MAYBE THERE IS ONE IN HIS LAST NAME BUT NOT HIS FIRST. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE STOP SPELLING IT WITH AN O THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
thank you
Lol i think he does it to spite us. We've mentioned this before...
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eyeatoma wrote:Sixerscan wrote:ehem...
THERE IS NO O IN THADDEUS YOUNG'S NAME. THERE HASN'T BEEN AN O SINCE HE GOT DRAFTED. ALRIGHT WELL MAYBE THERE IS ONE IN HIS LAST NAME BUT NOT HIS FIRST. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE STOP SPELLING IT WITH AN O THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
thank you
Lol i think he does it to spite us. We've mentioned this before...
omg..he speeled it wrong..omg
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Do you guys think the sixers will continue their running style or do you think they slow it down to halfcourt to post with brand? I dont think it will be either, I think they go with a mix but Ihope they dont slow it down TOO much
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IggyTheBEaST wrote:Do you guys think the sixers will continue their running style or do you think they slow it down to halfcourt to post with brand? I dont think it will be either, I think they go with a mix but Ihope they dont slow it down TOO much
If you listened to the Ed Stefanski conference call, he addressed this and said that we will most likely stick to the running style and that Elton Brand might even be the trailer (or something to that degree...).
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I think Louis Williams could jump up to about 17 a game this year. However I don't think scoring averages will matter a whole lot. I could see Iggy leading us again at around 19, Brand may put up about 17-18. Thaddeus Young is really the key. If he becomes the star everyone thinks he can become then we have a dynasty in the making.