SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

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Trading Iggy for Jefferson, i dont buy it. What is Sixerfans source because a deal involving Iggy for Jefferson wouldnt make sense. We could amnesty Elton and take on Jefferson for free and Utah would love it.

You don't get 20/10/2 bigs at 27yo for cap-space. I wouldn't have a problem with Big Al for Iggy deal. He would definitely help with our half-court offense struggles and provide a legitimate low post threat. I do hope they would insist he play his more natural position as PF instead of C. Maybe we could bring in a young athletic big via FA like Jordan Hill to play C. He really impressed during his playoff run with the Lakers.

[Sixerscan]

if you trade iguodala for a big man...you then amnesty brand to add a scoring guard........or SF.......depending on where you play turner.

they know they have two glaring holes to fill......and will explore multiple options to address them.

So they aren't even considering dealing turner?

[51X3RF4N]

Jefferson hasn't had a lot of injury history, other than nagging things that keep him out a bit. He's played in 85% of the games in his career. That's better than a lot of players actually.

[Gsraider]

You don't get 20/10/2 bigs at 27yo for cap-space. I wouldn't have a problem with Big Al for Iggy deal. He would definitely help with our half-court offense struggles and provide a legitimate low post threat. I do hope they would insist he play his more natural position as PF instead of C. Maybe we could bring in a young athletic big via FA like Jordan Hill to play C. He really impressed during his playoff run with the Lakers.

Jefferson is a pretty damn good offensive player in the post and adequate rebounder, although not as good as his numbers might indicate. I might be more interested in him if they could somehow include Favors in the deal with him. Obviously, Philly would need to include more in return to get that done, but from what I have seen from Jefferson, he needs a shotblocker alongside of him. No clue what Utah thinks of Vucevic or Allen, or what they might think of a signed and traded Lou.

I think Iguodala would clearly provide immediate help for Utah on the wing and they still have other bigs to make up for the loss of Jefferson. On Philly's side though, I'm not sure they have the shotblocking to help the deficiencies that Jefferson has defensively unless they got it elsewhere or by getting back Favors as part of the deal. I have no clue what Utah thinks of Favors mind you, but his value has seemingly been up and down over the last year or two. His upside is enormous in any event and Utah may simply not be willing to part with that.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Jefferson is a BAD trade target fro Andre. He's in the last year of his deal so he could easily walk after 1 year and we are left with nothing in return. They would be better served just going after a draft pick over that option.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Also, Jefferson doesn't fit the "athletic big" description that Thorn/Doug described.

[The Sixer Fixer]

People, Al Jefferson really isn't a low post scorer like you think. He has become a jump shooting big man. Look at the stats.

Jump Shots
11-12 - 72% of 1116 shots were jump shots
10-11 - 63% of 1319 shots were jump shots
09-10 - 60% of 1125 shots were jump shots
08-09 - 51% of 975 shots were jump shots
07-08 - 53% of 1441 shots were jump shots
06-07 - 41% of 882 shots were jump shots
05-06 - 30% of 379 shots were jump shots
04-05 - 35% of 410 shots were jump shots

He's trending in the wrong direction. He does shoot a decent FG% on the jumpers, but just realize what you are getting. He's a guy who become more and more of a face up player and not a "back to the basket back and back you down type".

[LongLiveHinkie]

Then again, he'd be the only person on this team that could hit a mid-ranged jumper with consistency.

[sixerswillrule]

The percentages are off there because 82games for some reason counts jumpers as anything that's not at the rim or close to the rim, such as hook shots from 5-10 feet. The trend is generally right though with Jefferson going further away from the rim. And when he is close, he typically uses finesse to try to score, which is why he's one of the worst in the league at getting to the line (sound familiar?). He has offensive skills but he's not an efficient scorer overall. He has other positive attributes like low turnovers and great defensive rebounding, but he's also a pretty bad defender. I wouldn't trade Iguodala for him.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Some of you hate this deal but damn! If it were to happen lets atleast reserve judgement until we see what he does under Doug Collins. I mean Tyrone Corbin doesn't exactly strike me as a guy that expects perfection from players. Guys play differently under different coaches. Thaddeus Young was shooting threes before Collins got here for christ sake. I'm sure Collins would expect Jefferson to do what he does best and that is play in the post. I'm also sure he could get him to do that as well. I like the trade for both teams and I would hope this means we are keeping Evan Turner. The next priority would be to add a small forward or guard depending on where Turner plays.

[Gsraider]

People, Al Jefferson really isn't a low post scorer like you think. He has become a jump shooting big man. Look at the stats.

Jump Shots
11-12 - 72% of 1116 shots were jump shots
10-11 - 63% of 1319 shots were jump shots
09-10 - 60% of 1125 shots were jump shots
08-09 - 51% of 975 shots were jump shots
07-08 - 53% of 1441 shots were jump shots
06-07 - 41% of 882 shots were jump shots
05-06 - 30% of 379 shots were jump shots
04-05 - 35% of 410 shots were jump shots

He's trending in the wrong direction. He does shoot a decent FG% on the jumpers, but just realize what you are getting. He's a guy who become more and more of a face up player and not a "back to the basket back and back you down type".

While I would agree with the direction that he has trended lately, I do not agree at all that he isn't a good post player. In fact, he has terrific hands, very good feet, and strings together a variety of moves down low. Some of the trend may also have something to do with what he is being asked to do by the Utah staff, but this guy can absolutely still play in the post and play it well. He's also only 27 or so and not exactly a shell physically, so I have almost no concerns that Collins would have a problem using him as effectively as possible.

That said, I'm not sure I really like this trade. I just think that Jefferson is a better player than he's being given credit for.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The defense would definitely take a major hit. I just don't think this Sixers team is one that can make just one move(no matter what it is) and go from semi competitive to a true contender. I think it will take a series of moves spanning over more than one year.

Like a deal involving Iguodala for Gay or Batum to me wouldn't do anything major for next year. They could make moves to be slightly better, but I don't think one Iguodala trade would catapult this team to the Finals. But if they think trading him would be step 1 in a bigger plan to make the team better, sure.

[SixerFever215]

I agree, Trading Iggy sets u back he's the glue to our defense. People seem to think we gonna trade iggy for young talented players or a lottery pick. But that makes no sense why would we want get younger after be considerd a young team for the past 4 seasons. To me I highly doubt iggy gets traded Collins loves him way to much plus he's a vet on this team. I see ET,Thad,15th pick and maybe Lou gettin traded

[The Sixer Fixer]

While I would agree with the direction that he has trended lately, I do not agree at all that he isn't a good post player. In fact, he has terrific hands, very good feet, and strings together a variety of moves down low. Some of the trend may also have something to do with what he is being asked to do by the Utah staff, but this guy can absolutely still play in the post and play it well. He's also only 27 or so and not exactly a shell physically, so I have almost no concerns that Collins would have a problem using him as effectively as possible.

That said, I'm not sure I really like this trade. I just think that Jefferson is a better player than he's being given credit for.

I never said he wasn't good in the post. All I was pointing out is that he's becoming less and less of a post player as he gets older. That's something you don't usually see a reversal of as a player gets older. And I don't but into the "it's coaching" concept. It's obvious he's more comfortable taking those shots. Could it be due to him changing from a PF to a C over the last few years and now he's going against taller defender? Maybe I guess, but he would still be a C here.

[42uptop]

People, Al Jefferson really isn't a low post scorer like you think. He has become a jump shooting big man. Look at the stats.

Jump Shots
11-12 - 72% of 1116 shots were jump shots
10-11 - 63% of 1319 shots were jump shots
09-10 - 60% of 1125 shots were jump shots
08-09 - 51% of 975 shots were jump shots
07-08 - 53% of 1441 shots were jump shots
06-07 - 41% of 882 shots were jump shots
05-06 - 30% of 379 shots were jump shots
04-05 - 35% of 410 shots were jump shots

He's trending in the wrong direction. He does shoot a decent FG% on the jumpers, but just realize what you are getting. He's a guy who become more and more of a face up player and not a "back to the basket back and back you down type".

Does it honestly matter if he is shooting jump shots? We are talking about him replacing the likes of Spencer Hawes and Elton Brand, neither of whom is worth anything on offense. Right now the Sixers have absolutely no consistency in their mid range game. I don't like the trade, but I don't understand how the jump shooting is a problem.

[The Sixer Fixer]

People, Al Jefferson really isn't a low post scorer like you think. He has become a jump shooting big man. Look at the stats.

Jump Shots
11-12 - 72% of 1116 shots were jump shots
10-11 - 63% of 1319 shots were jump shots
09-10 - 60% of 1125 shots were jump shots
08-09 - 51% of 975 shots were jump shots
07-08 - 53% of 1441 shots were jump shots
06-07 - 41% of 882 shots were jump shots
05-06 - 30% of 379 shots were jump shots
04-05 - 35% of 410 shots were jump shots

He's trending in the wrong direction. He does shoot a decent FG% on the jumpers, but just realize what you are getting. He's a guy who become more and more of a face up player and not a "back to the basket back and back you down type".

Does it honestly matter if he is shooting jump shots? We are talking about him replacing the likes of Spencer Hawes and Elton Brand, neither of whom is worth anything on offense. Right now the Sixers have absolutely no consistency in their mid range game. I don't like the trade, but I don't understand how the jump shooting is a problem.

Good lord. Once again, I was just showing that for the people who say he's a post player. He's not over the last few years. I was just showing the stats so people would know REALLY what type of player he is. It's not a knock on him at all by me.

[51X3RF4N]

Career averages Al Jefferson is blocking .5 more shots per game and grabbing close to 4 rpg more than Spencer Hawes, while scoring 10ppg more. I'll take that in exchange for Iggy, especially if it solves a need for a backup PG at the same time.

[sixers_610]

if you trade iguodala for a big man...you then amnesty brand to add a scoring guard........or SF.......depending on where you play turner.

they know they have two glaring holes to fill......and will explore multiple options to address them.

So they aren't even considering dealing turner?

I wouldn't.

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[51X3RF4N]

While I would agree with the direction that he has trended lately, I do not agree at all that he isn't a good post player. In fact, he has terrific hands, very good feet, and strings together a variety of moves down low. Some of the trend may also have something to do with what he is being asked to do by the Utah staff, but this guy can absolutely still play in the post and play it well. He's also only 27 or so and not exactly a shell physically, so I have almost no concerns that Collins would have a problem using him as effectively as possible.

That said, I'm not sure I really like this trade. I just think that Jefferson is a better player than he's being given credit for.

I never said he wasn't good in the post. All I was pointing out is that he's becoming less and less of a post player as he gets older. That's something you don't usually see a reversal of as a player gets older. And I don't but into the "it's coaching" concept. It's obvious he's more comfortable taking those shots. Could it be due to him changing from a PF to a C over the last few years and now he's going against taller defender? Maybe I guess, but he would still be a C here.

My only counter point to that is if he scores 20ppg by hitting jumpers, it's going to open up the lane for Jrue/ET to drive and create. Plus, we know he CAN go into the post if necessary, and if Lavoy is out there next to him and Lavoy is in the high post, then Al goes low. It's sometimes a coaching concept if the coach says, "Hey Al, you're in the low post".

I'm not taking what you're saying the wrong way. I'm just adding the other side of the coin.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Career averages Al Jefferson is blocking .5 more shots per game and grabbing close to 4 rpg more than Spencer Hawes, while scoring 10ppg more. I'll take that in exchange for Iggy, especially if it solves a need for a backup PG at the same time.

Sadly, Spencer actually rebounds and blocks shots at a better per minute rate than Jefferson. Of course, it could be argued that Spencer can't play 34 mpg and wouldn't maintain his production level with the increased minutes.