The Wing King Vs. The Plant-God, Sixers @ Suns 3/27 6:00pm EST

[the_process]

So you can’t win just by surrounding Harden, Embiid and Maxey with 3&D shooters like Roco and Danny Green?

I think some posters here are getting too antsy and not thinking long term.

Beal or Lillard? Seriously get real. Lillard would be more of a issue than Harden fwiw looking at the season he had.

We aren’t going to win the chip this year and it has nothing to do with Harden, the whole list is flawed.

He gets fit, we trade Thybulle + Harris together and upgrade those 2 spots (SF/PF) with better fitting players as you said 3&D players and we are good to go.

Josh Hart is literally the perfect player to fit imo. Would solve our huge rebounding issues overnight. Monster on the boards

If Beal goes to POR, they will have to waive Hart for the cap space. I would like Hart as the new version of Danny Green on the roster next year.

[DCasey91]

Here as follows:

Matisse Thybulle Replacement:

1. Josh Hart - Monster rebounder. Dude is brolic strong and physical. Yes and yes. Not a great shooter but Harden ups the 3p% across the board when on the floor as the premier setup guy and Hart is a way better shooter than Thybulle is (basically any wing is lol). Also a more versatile defender can guard Giannis for a time or bigger players, gives up height but dude has guarded Lebron and Lebron couldn’t move him in the post. Did I mention he’s brolic strong? He’s like a hulked out version of Danny Green add on being a better facilitator and scorer minus the shooting but he’ll have games where he shoots it great he’s a good one. Do want him. Fantastic age too.

2. Nassir Little - Fan of him. Might have a mini breakout next year right age for it. Great size, stronger/physical (nice theme going on). Don’t know how good of a shooter he is but once again basically anything is an upgrade offensively over Thybulle. Also would be more versatile on defence. Get the youngins before not after they start breaking out please and thank you!

3. Otto Porter Jr - Biggest question mark is, is it realistic that’s he’s someone to trade for or does GSW say he’s off the table before next season begins. Most talented and best fit though durability question mark imo. But he may not be available in the end.

4. Kentavious Caldwell Pope - Brings a boatload of experience (3rd best player in a championship run). Still shooting the ball great. Has played around two high usage stars. Would be a great get. Fit A+ it’s seamless. Can get you the 10-15 ppg a game that’s handy

5. Robert Covington - The cheap budget option. Wouldn’t give up much to get him but if we get a pick back could be the go to. If he has gas in the tank we could maybe get him without trading Thybulle.


Tobias Harris replacement:

1. Harrison Barnes - Harris’s contract is a pain in the a**hole to move. But once again Barnes would be a better fitting piece. More mobile at the 3/4 spot, gives up size but Harris isn’t a good or even average defender anyway so no miss there. Requires less “set me up” time.

2. Gordon Hayward - Would be a huge get. Really savvy with the ball. Would sure up our secondary facilitator ball man spot imo. Lacks size but he’s a natural shooter the offence would be clicking like no tomorrow. If not he’d probably be our most aesthetically pleasing player we’ve ever had under the Process Era. So basically watching the opposite of Harris lmao.

3. Kevin Love - Risky but great rebounder and shooter for his size. Has his playoff warts but still might have some gas in the tank leftover. Don’t mind it. Basically all these options save us $$$ so it’s addition by subtraction.

4. Danilo Gallinari - Italian Rooster. Here me out what’s better than a Niang? A taller Niang that can draw fouls at a great rate. Cold as heck stretch 4. Once again our defence might suffer but the offense will go boom with that 3 pronged setup. The starting unit even can make way for two wings instead of Maxey and Maxey can be the super 6th man or alternatively Gallo as the 6th as we saw what he did to us in the Hawks series. Cooked us good and proper, direct opponent.... Harris lol. Risky because he’s never fit, but geez having 2 stretch 4 bombas on rotation is ideal.

5. Jerami Grant - Not the biggest fan of his game. But right age, homegrown product, comeback factor maybe? Not his team anymore in Detroit. So be jelly and come back to us and help us a win a chip. Fantastic size but doesn’t use all of it on defence. Could change here

... Hail Mary Pick: BRANDON INGRAM. Yes fantasy, maybe who knows weird things happen all the time. Been through it. Embiid slide in his dm’s see what happens


Shake and Korkmaz replacement:

1. Bag of Chips
Tied for 1. Carbon Rod

Basically anything with a pulse will do fine lol.

[mjkvol]

As for Harden being washed, he’s obviously still very good but his iso scoring days are largely in the past imo. He needs to get his body right, we reconstruct the roster a bit, and Embiid/Harden need to build more PnR chemistry for us to have a title shot next year. Regardless of roster moves, I expect us to be really good next year as chemistry improves and I have no doubt Maxey will develop even further. I think he’ll come back stronger & better on defense + develop a deeper bag in iso/PnR situations.

If we can get anything like 22-10-10 out of Harden for his entire stay here it would have been a home run move by Morey. Get the supporting cast this setup needs and we'll see what happens the next few seasons.

[mjkvol]

Here as follows:

Matisse Thybulle Replacement:

1. Josh Hart - Monster rebounder. Dude is brolic strong and physical. Yes and yes. Not a great shooter but Harden ups the 3p% across the board when on the floor as the premier setup guy and Hart is a way better shooter than Thybulle is (basically any wing is lol). Also a more versatile defender can guard Giannis for a time or bigger players, gives up height but dude has guarded Lebron and Lebron couldn’t move him in the post. Did I mention he’s brolic strong? He’s like a hulked out version of Danny Green add on being a better facilitator and scorer minus the shooting but he’ll have games where he shoots it great he’s a good one. Do want him. Fantastic age too.

2. Nassir Little - Fan of him. Might have a mini breakout next year right age for it. Great size, stronger/physical (nice theme going on). Don’t know how good of a shooter he is but once again basically anything is an upgrade offensively over Thybulle. Also would be more versatile on defence. Get the youngins before not after they start breaking out please and thank you!

3. Otto Porter Jr - Biggest question mark is, is it realistic that’s he’s someone to trade for or does GSW say he’s off the table before next season begins. Most talented and best fit though durability question mark imo. But he may not be available in the end.

4. Kentavious Caldwell Pope - Brings a boatload of experience (3rd best player in a championship run). Still shooting the ball great. Has played around two high usage stars. Would be a great get. Fit A+ it’s seamless. Can get you the 10-15 ppg a game that’s handy

5. Robert Covington - The cheap budget option. Wouldn’t give up much to get him but if we get a pick back could be the go to. If he has gas in the tank we could maybe get him without trading Thybulle.


Tobias Harris replacement:

1. Harrison Barnes - Harris’s contract is a pain in the a**hole to move. But once again Barnes would be a better fitting piece. More mobile at the 3/4 spot, gives up size but Harris isn’t a good or even average defender anyway so no miss there. Requires less “set me up” time.

2. Gordon Hayward - Would be a huge get. Really savvy with the ball. Would sure up our secondary facilitator ball man spot imo. Lacks size but he’s a natural shooter the offence would be clicking like no tomorrow. If not he’d probably be our most aesthetically pleasing player we’ve ever had under the Process Era. So basically watching the opposite of Harris lmao.

3. Kevin Love - Risky but great rebounder and shooter for his size. Has his playoff warts but still might have some gas in the tank leftover. Don’t mind it. Basically all these options save us $$$ so it’s addition by subtraction.

4. Danilo Gallinari - Italian Rooster. Here me out what’s better than a Niang? A taller Niang that can draw fouls at a great rate. Cold as heck stretch 4. Once again our defence might suffer but the offense will go boom with that 3 pronged setup. The starting unit even can make way for two wings instead of Maxey and Maxey can be the super 6th man or alternatively Gallo as the 6th as we saw what he did to us in the Hawks series. Cooked us good and proper, direct opponent.... Harris lol. Risky because he’s never fit, but geez having 2 stretch 4 bombas on rotation is ideal.

5. Jerami Grant - Not the biggest fan of his game. But right age, homegrown product, comeback factor maybe? Not his team anymore in Detroit. So be jelly and come back to us and help us a win a chip. Fantastic size but doesn’t use all of it on defence. Could change here

... Hail Mary Pick: BRANDON INGRAM. Yes fantasy, maybe who knows weird things happen all the time. Been through it. Embiid slide in his dm’s see what happens


Shake and Korkmaz replacement:

1. Bag of Chips
Tied for 1. Carbon Rod

Basically anything with a pulse will do fine lol.

Great post. Yeah, Hart and Hayward would look great here, but almost any combination of two players you list would be a massive step up.

[DCasey91]

Yeah I’m sold on Hart/KCP into Hayward/Grant. Would be such nice upgrades to the team. Legit empty the war chest and go all in for next year imo.

[stormi]

Hayward is super skilled and a clear upgrade on Harris, but he's like top 3 most injury prone players in the league. It's not a question of if he can stay healthy year by year, him being out of the lineup has become a formality.

I like Hart/KCP/OPJ/Cov and all of the guys on the second list also.

[Ferry Avenue]

Here as follows:

Matisse Thybulle Replacement:

1. Josh Hart - Monster rebounder. Dude is brolic strong and physical. Yes and yes. Not a great shooter but Harden ups the 3p% across the board when on the floor as the premier setup guy and Hart is a way better shooter than Thybulle is (basically any wing is lol). Also a more versatile defender can guard Giannis for a time or bigger players, gives up height but dude has guarded Lebron and Lebron couldn’t move him in the post. Did I mention he’s brolic strong? He’s like a hulked out version of Danny Green add on being a better facilitator and scorer minus the shooting but he’ll have games where he shoots it great he’s a good one. Do want him. Fantastic age too.

2. Nassir Little - Fan of him. Might have a mini breakout next year right age for it. Great size, stronger/physical (nice theme going on). Don’t know how good of a shooter he is but once again basically anything is an upgrade offensively over Thybulle. Also would be more versatile on defence. Get the youngins before not after they start breaking out please and thank you!

3. Otto Porter Jr - Biggest question mark is, is it realistic that’s he’s someone to trade for or does GSW say he’s off the table before next season begins. Most talented and best fit though durability question mark imo. But he may not be available in the end.

4. Kentavious Caldwell Pope - Brings a boatload of experience (3rd best player in a championship run). Still shooting the ball great. Has played around two high usage stars. Would be a great get. Fit A+ it’s seamless. Can get you the 10-15 ppg a game that’s handy

5. Robert Covington - The cheap budget option. Wouldn’t give up much to get him but if we get a pick back could be the go to. If he has gas in the tank we could maybe get him without trading Thybulle.


Tobias Harris replacement:

1. Harrison Barnes - Harris’s contract is a pain in the a**hole to move. But once again Barnes would be a better fitting piece. More mobile at the 3/4 spot, gives up size but Harris isn’t a good or even average defender anyway so no miss there. Requires less “set me up” time.

2. Gordon Hayward - Would be a huge get. Really savvy with the ball. Would sure up our secondary facilitator ball man spot imo. Lacks size but he’s a natural shooter the offence would be clicking like no tomorrow. If not he’d probably be our most aesthetically pleasing player we’ve ever had under the Process Era. So basically watching the opposite of Harris lmao.

3. Kevin Love - Risky but great rebounder and shooter for his size. Has his playoff warts but still might have some gas in the tank leftover. Don’t mind it. Basically all these options save us $$$ so it’s addition by subtraction.

4. Danilo Gallinari - Italian Rooster. Here me out what’s better than a Niang? A taller Niang that can draw fouls at a great rate. Cold as heck stretch 4. Once again our defence might suffer but the offense will go boom with that 3 pronged setup. The starting unit even can make way for two wings instead of Maxey and Maxey can be the super 6th man or alternatively Gallo as the 6th as we saw what he did to us in the Hawks series. Cooked us good and proper, direct opponent.... Harris lol. Risky because he’s never fit, but geez having 2 stretch 4 bombas on rotation is ideal.

5. Jerami Grant - Not the biggest fan of his game. But right age, homegrown product, comeback factor maybe? Not his team anymore in Detroit. So be jelly and come back to us and help us a win a chip. Fantastic size but doesn’t use all of it on defence. Could change here

... Hail Mary Pick: BRANDON INGRAM. Yes fantasy, maybe who knows weird things happen all the time. Been through it. Embiid slide in his dm’s see what happens


Shake and Korkmaz replacement:

1. Bag of Chips
Tied for 1. Carbon Rod

Basically anything with a pulse will do fine lol.

That’s a great rundown of how to optimally configure the roster alongside Harden and Embiid, but I wouldn’t take it as a given that Harden will be here next year.

[DCasey91]

As long as Morey stays, Harden isn’t going anywhere they are tied at the hip. Off-season watch our GM perform even more voodoo. Doesn’t really matter what happens this year, he’s given us a real chance and a championship window that’s all you can ask for as a sports fan.

[76ciology]

I think we have to think Harden as Nash, we can’t rely on him to take over games. He can but there’s just a high variance in his game as our 1B. He’s still a great player and i wouldnt want anyone except maybe for a few players like Doncic.

That said, if you have to build around Harden and Embiid. You need scorers like those Suns team.

Thybulle and Marion have some similarities on offense. But I just dont see Thybulle as a winning piece with Embiid and Harden. We need some size, and by doing that it will solve a lot of our defense and rebound problems.

Then for Tobi, we need someone as good as a scorer but better as a shooter. Someone like Harrison Barnes could be perfect.

Harrison Barnes + Holmes for Tobi + Thybulle is one of a deal im looking at. Like great frontcourt players from KG, Dirk, Duncan, Giannis or even Shaq they need a great frontcourt partner that compliments them. And Tobi isn’t it. tobi was added because we need someone to pick up the slack when Ben was a barren scorer.

That frontcourt partner for Embiid could be a non shooter. If he can shoot, then that would be great. But that frontcourt partner for Embiid should be able to help Embiid take some slack off on defense and rebounding because as you can see averaging and going after 30ppg isn’t just easy but it’s detrimental to the team

[76ciology]

but right now, we dont have any choice but to rely on chemistry and learn more On our rotations..

During the suns game, Doc choses to run more of the starting unit with danny green than with thybulle. Both starting unit with green and thybulle were huge negatives for the game. Maybe he should have ended our starting unit with Niang instead?

Our bench unit without Biid and Harden that was lead by Maxey, Shake and Tobi was the best 5 man unit on that game. Even the Suns TV guys (i dont want alaa and kate) even said that Doc should have sticked with it and not end the half with Harden and Biid, which lead the Suns to climb back into the game. But Doc did that because its his usual rotation so maybe he’s afraid it will mess up his rotations.

By the third quarter, suns was making a run. It will take a lot of guts for a coach to pull out his two best players and let tobi, shake and maxey reverse the momentum.

Most evident for the collapse was harden scoring 0 out of 3 in the third quarter then 0 out of 3 again in the fourth. He kept attacking to the rim. For me, he got a lot of fouls but weren’t called. For me, we should have an alternative plan when that happened.

Down the stretch, we did ok. Last 5-6 minutes was that stretch you need to check if you want to look at it. We were able to cut down the lead by being able to get easy looks off Embiid sealing deep into the paint then we had a couple of Maxey 3s.

Then i believe we were just a point behind the Suns, then Suns just made the big baskets and we didnt.
It started with the 3 pt play by booker
missed hook by biid (good shot)
Ayton made roll
Maxey missed 3
Paul made tough fadeaway 3
Embiid made hook (down 6)
Ayton miss basket floater, biid turned it over after reb
Embiid very bad shot fadeaway off double team
Paul floater (down 9 1:45 rem)
Harden-Biid PnR, bridged deflect then transition 3 crowder (GG)

The way I see it Doc thinks he will shot down Booker with Green, then test if grandpa Paul still has it. While having Green out there with 4 out offense allows alot of deep position and spacing for Biid to get good looks off hook shots in the paint.

Its just Paul made big baskets and we missed some plays we usually make.

[eyeatoma]

Here as follows:

Matisse Thybulle Replacement:

1. Josh Hart - Monster rebounder. Dude is brolic strong and physical. Yes and yes. Not a great shooter but Harden ups the 3p% across the board when on the floor as the premier setup guy and Hart is a way better shooter than Thybulle is (basically any wing is lol). Also a more versatile defender can guard Giannis for a time or bigger players, gives up height but dude has guarded Lebron and Lebron couldn’t move him in the post. Did I mention he’s brolic strong? He’s like a hulked out version of Danny Green add on being a better facilitator and scorer minus the shooting but he’ll have games where he shoots it great he’s a good one. Do want him. Fantastic age too.

2. Nassir Little - Fan of him. Might have a mini breakout next year right age for it. Great size, stronger/physical (nice theme going on). Don’t know how good of a shooter he is but once again basically anything is an upgrade offensively over Thybulle. Also would be more versatile on defence. Get the youngins before not after they start breaking out please and thank you!

3. Otto Porter Jr - Biggest question mark is, is it realistic that’s he’s someone to trade for or does GSW say he’s off the table before next season begins. Most talented and best fit though durability question mark imo. But he may not be available in the end.

4. Kentavious Caldwell Pope - Brings a boatload of experience (3rd best player in a championship run). Still shooting the ball great. Has played around two high usage stars. Would be a great get. Fit A+ it’s seamless. Can get you the 10-15 ppg a game that’s handy

5. Robert Covington - The cheap budget option. Wouldn’t give up much to get him but if we get a pick back could be the go to. If he has gas in the tank we could maybe get him without trading Thybulle.


Tobias Harris replacement:

1. Harrison Barnes - Harris’s contract is a pain in the a**hole to move. But once again Barnes would be a better fitting piece. More mobile at the 3/4 spot, gives up size but Harris isn’t a good or even average defender anyway so no miss there. Requires less “set me up” time.

2. Gordon Hayward - Would be a huge get. Really savvy with the ball. Would sure up our secondary facilitator ball man spot imo. Lacks size but he’s a natural shooter the offence would be clicking like no tomorrow. If not he’d probably be our most aesthetically pleasing player we’ve ever had under the Process Era. So basically watching the opposite of Harris lmao.

3. Kevin Love - Risky but great rebounder and shooter for his size. Has his playoff warts but still might have some gas in the tank leftover. Don’t mind it. Basically all these options save us $$$ so it’s addition by subtraction.

4. Danilo Gallinari - Italian Rooster. Here me out what’s better than a Niang? A taller Niang that can draw fouls at a great rate. Cold as heck stretch 4. Once again our defence might suffer but the offense will go boom with that 3 pronged setup. The starting unit even can make way for two wings instead of Maxey and Maxey can be the super 6th man or alternatively Gallo as the 6th as we saw what he did to us in the Hawks series. Cooked us good and proper, direct opponent.... Harris lol. Risky because he’s never fit, but geez having 2 stretch 4 bombas on rotation is ideal.

5. Jerami Grant - Not the biggest fan of his game. But right age, homegrown product, comeback factor maybe? Not his team anymore in Detroit. So be jelly and come back to us and help us a win a chip. Fantastic size but doesn’t use all of it on defence. Could change here

... Hail Mary Pick: BRANDON INGRAM. Yes fantasy, maybe who knows weird things happen all the time. Been through it. Embiid slide in his dm’s see what happens


Shake and Korkmaz replacement:

1. Bag of Chips
Tied for 1. Carbon Rod

Basically anything with a pulse will do fine lol.

Yes to everyone but Porter and Cov. Porter is a huge injury risk, and Cov is in a big decline.

Also not a fan of Kevin Love (attitude issues, and old), and Hayward (always injured, including right now), and Gallinarri, Old and falling apart.

Anyone we get needs to be someone who can give you 70 games, and at worst is just entering their 30s. We need athleticism. Many of these guys are stiffs or can't guard their own shadow.

[DCasey91]

But this is the reality eyeatoma. I fail to see where we can get better quality with the lack of tangible assets remaining.

KCP, Hart, Grant fit the age/skillset required to make us better. Don’t want Beal or Lillard because Harden + Embiid is enough scoring and usage to where we need to bring complimentary pieces to the puzzle.

I’m high on Otto Porter looks to have regained his form this year also Gary Harris too. I don’t think we need another star.

It won’t be perfect but I trust Morey of whatever avenue we go down.

Ideal world Maxey becomes the 6th man that can end games when he’s cooking.

[eyeatoma]

But this is the reality eyeatoma. I fail to see where we can get better quality with the lack of tangible assets remaining.

KCP, Hart, Grant fit the age/skillset required to make us better. Don’t want Beal or Lillard because Harden + Embiid is enough scoring and usage to where we need to bring complimentary pieces to the puzzle.

I’m high on Otto Porter looks to have regained his form this year also Gary Harris too. I don’t think we need another star.

It won’t be perfect but I trust Morey of whatever avenue we go down.

Ideal world Maxey becomes the 6th man that can end games when he’s cooking.

Tobias is still an asset. I also think you can get something for Kork/Shake/Danny.

I agree with the premise though, just hate injury prone players.

My biggest concern would be with Hayward. He has been injured for atleast 2 months every year since he broke his ankle. Porter Jr. isn't much better either.

[76ciology]

Tobias can atleast be a neutral asset. Specially as his contracts gets near it’s end.

To get a good return for Tobi, you need to get a different type of player for him. Nobody is going to trade a better apple for a worse apple. Or you need to attach assets like Springer, Milton or Reed with him.

Its also tough to look into the offseason because you never know how easy or hard it will be to get someone like drummond or niang.

The question is more of a philosophical thing.. do you need more scorers to surround Embiid and Harden? Can’t you just surround them with spot up shooters like we thought before? Because i do think we have to surround those two with scorers, the right type. But i dont think we need someone as good as Bradley Beal. Just some 3rd option guys who can shoot like Harrison Barnes or Buddy Hield.

And we also have to address our size issue. Where we should ask whats the best frontcourt partner for Embiid.. i dont think a kevin love or niang type frontcourt is enough for it wont solve our defense or rebounding (not love) issues. Maybe we already have it already with Bassey or Reed.

Thinking about the future has a lot of variables we can’t see right now.

[mjkvol]

As long as Morey stays, Harden isn’t going anywhere they are tied at the hip. Off-season watch our GM perform even more voodoo. Doesn’t really matter what happens this year, he’s given us a real chance and a championship window that’s all you can ask for as a sports fan.

No doubt, but clearly that isn't enough for many fans.

[Jailblazers7]

I like the rundown of possible replacements but please god no Danilo on this team. My mental health can’t take another slow shooter lol.