Morey Rejects Vs. Morey’s Reject, Pacers @ Sixers 4/9 1:00pm EST

[Mik317]

man said DJ is a deterrent at the rim. People score around 70% on him at the rim.

Don't know if Paul Reed is the answer. Probably isn't.

DJ is for sure not the answer

[M2J]

Very fair. I said... I thought you were bringing up that there was no video of him vs Giannis (which I now know was your attempt at sarcasm) because he didn't play in the most recent game with this full roster... Which you all were butt hurt over. Then you produce a game from the first month of the season, without even that full roster...that resulted in a double digit loss and a monster double double from Giannis, and a game where Reed wasn't playing center (which is the discussion right?). My response wasn't that it didn't matter, I just didn't think that's what you were referring to. My response to that game in the other post was that he wasn't playing center, and he was being pushed to the rim despite a strong effort. Not that the game didn't matter

Now that we're on the same page. I want to be clear. That game wasn't that impressive. This game was less so. I hope he improves. They'll need him vs Toronto.

On overtime and with Giannis scoring most of his points after both Reed and Drummond got 5 fouls, again...........in overtime.

For someone trying to put context on situations you're kind of selective.

The discussion was about Reed playing center but he was on Giannis on most of those possessions, because you actually don't want a traditional center guarding Giannis unless he can stay with him on space, like Joel or Reed (yes, switchability is great against Giannis).

One of your arguments was that he would be a disaster guarding Giannis which he actually was decent at it, which started this entire combo

Is Reed undersized to play center? probably, you know a way for him to get used to play on space and figuring out how to protect the paint while being undersize? play him.

As an example Jarrett Allen needed 4 seasons to build a body mass enough to stay with guys like Joel, did that made him unplayable? no...the fact we're denying guys with potential like Reed or Bassey minutes to learn how to defend in the NBA to play DJ or Millsap is bollocks, it was kind of understandable with Drummond but now? just complete stupidity.

Not to mention the entire ridicule point about DJ being a deterrent on the paint when he could not even stay on a Nets roster where he was the ONLY big and protected by both Kyrie and DJ. This also conects pretty well with the argument about Giannis because playing DJ too many minutes was the reason we lost the Bucks game last week.

Your last line is kind of funny too, and i can say this now because we're on the same page (?). You said early that Reed was playing well only because we were playing the Pacers, and YET that's still less impressive than him guarding Giannis which you say he was bad at. So in some abstract way, him playing good is still less impressive than him playing bad for some odd reason and DJ is still a better option even if Reed played better than him against both the Pacers AND the Bucks.

I keep saying didn't take it personal, because you and some of the other Reedaholics, seem very bothered and for some reason keep trying to put words in my mouth. You know it, I know it, and anyone can see it.

This is a game thread, things change. He had a nice stretch in the first half vs fellow G leaguers where I commented, news flash...it didn't end well for him today. He was alright vs G leaguers. It's not about him playing well versus Giannis or not. Which he didn't really, it's about whether he's a good backup center, and that wasn't his position in that game in spots where he was somewhat okay. He had Drummond protecting him and the basket.

He's not Jarett Allen, he's not Nicholas Claxton. You just really really really really want him to be. If your theory or comparison to Alan is to just throw him out there so that he can become something he will never be. Might as well throw my ass out there, and give me time to develop.

[brannigan73]

Paul Reed versus Giannis really? He doesnt match up with him at all. For one thing Paul Reed is really slight its part of the reason I really dont like him. 6'9 215lbs most likely. If we play the Bucks the answer is to match Embiid with Giannis minute for minute. Not because Embiid will guard Giannis a lot but because he is a deterrent to drive with his size and strength. No need to worry about bench players deterring Giannis because it should be Embiid.

[M2J]

It's hilarious you say this while saying Reed is only playing well because the Pacers. Did you miss the game earlier this week when DJ got cook by this same team?

It's not like we have footage of Reed being able to stay on the floor with Giannis, aswell

Okay I still think that DeAndre will deter some shots, whereas Paul will never do that. I didn't say DeAndre was some wonderful defender at this point. You're right there is no footage of read on the floor with Giannis. Great argument. But there is footage of this fourth quarter of Lance Stephenson driving through Paul Reeds chest twice as if he were not there, And Paul was doing his very best to body him up. Lance looked like Giannis unfortunately.
Too small, and it doesn't seem that he can get low enough to move his feet quick enough for smaller players either.... sorta like Obi Toppin.
Don't take it personally sirs just my opinions.

DeAndre is never deterring the shots on the perimeter though, which Reed can do. You know how many times opposing teams have a guy wide open for 3 because DeAndre Jordan doesn't have the mobility to keep up with our defensive rotations and can't follow a guy out to the perimeter?

Reed is far better than Jordan at defending in space against a variety of different archetypes, and I disagree that he's a zero as a rim protector, whereas Jordan is pretty much a zero defensively anywhere away from the rim.

My opinion, if you can put a guy out there that can at least make guards put some English on the ball... Yet sucks coming out in space. That beats someone that allows Lance Stevenson, who is only in the league as a Indiana nostalgic favor to go through them like a G league scrub and fouls constantly because he is too small to properly play the position, but plays just okay in space.

Just my preference.

[Murray_17]

I keep saying didn't take it personal, because you and some of the other Reedaholics, seem very bothered and for some reason keep trying to put words in my mouth. You know it, I know it, and anyone can see it.

Yeah, i'm sure everyone here is a reedaholic who is just bullying you while you're super composed and rational

This is a game thread, things change. He had a nice stretch in the first half vs fellow G leaguers where I commented, news flash...it didn't end well for him today. He was alright vs G leaguers. It's not about him playing well versus Giannis or not. Which he didn't really, it's about whether he's a good backup center, and that wasn't his position in that game in spots where he was somewhat okay. He had Drummond protecting him and the basket.

He ended with a +2, which is an anomaly for Embiid back ups. Jordan ended with a -11 against those same "G Leaguers" just 11 days ago

your argument about him guarding Giannis is all over the place as well, he was ok in "spots" but not good, it also really don't matter because he wasn't the center, but he was bad anyways even if ok in spots because Drummond. You're sure tho he'll be a disaster guarding Giannis

He's not Jarett Allen, he's not Nicholas Claxton. You just really really really really want him to be. If your theory or comparison to Alan is to just throw him out there so that he can become something he will never be. Might as well throw my ass out there, and give me time to develop.

The difference between me and you is i'm willing to try seeing if he can be that, maybe he's really mediocre. You know how to know that? give him minutes. What i'm seeing tho is, he still played better against the bucks and the pacers than Jordan and Millsap.

You're so set in your assesment you're willing to say DJ is more of a deterrant. THAT my friend is really delusional and everyone here can see it, even if Reed is really a G leaguer, that's better than current DeAndre Jordan.

And this without touching the undersized argument...The Nets almost beat the current champs with Blake and Bruce Brown playing as 5's

[M2J]

No the difference between you and I, is that I've seen Reed get minutes and I'm smart enough to realize he's not Jarett Allen. I'm also throwing up to realize he's not mediocre either. Mediocre at that position would be amazing

Why I think you taking it personal... Is that your reaching so far back to win an argument that nobody cares about... That you're bringing up Giannis in November when Reed was the power forward, as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when Giannis and Millsap were centers... Which is relevant to this argument about Reed as people believed that he should be playing the backup center role. You would look a lot more composed if you just stop talking about Giannis at all. Reed is not worth bringing up in a discussion of l Giannis. Neither is DeAndre Jordan who I don't give a sh*t about.... So please stop bringing up any and everything about Jordan as if I'm tied to him (that's not just for you, that's for anybody)

Furthermore I would move away from the bullying thing, I never said that you did. I would not allow that. I also don't think that everybody agrees with you.

[Murray_17]

No the difference between you and I, is that I've seen Reed get minutes and I'm smart enough to realize he's not Jarett Allen.

sorry, but the fact you think i compared Reed with Jarret Allen instead of using his case to make a contextual analogy, is example 101 of this entire discussion in a nutshell

Why I think you taking it personal... Is that your reaching so far back to win an argument that nobody cares about... That you're bringing up Giannis in November when Reed was the power forward, as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when Giannis and Millsap were centers...

I care about the argument, yes, i'm posting on a team sub forum. It's like obvious i care That doesn't mean it's personal.

The fact you keep doing this and acting like "nobody cares" while discussing it with me for 3 pages, is surreal.

Which is relevant to this argument about Reed as people believed that he should be playing the backup center role. You would look a lot more composed if you just stop talking about Giannis at all.

This entire argument started because you said Reed would be a disaster guarding Giannis.....

Reed is not worth bringing up in a discussion of l Giannis. Neither is DeAndre Jordan who I don't give a sh*t about.... So please stop bringing up any and everything about Jordan as if I'm tied to him (that's not just for you, that's for anybody)

I mean, wasn't your opinion that DJ is a better rim protector than Reed?

[M2J]

No the difference between you and I, is that I've seen Reed get minutes and I'm smart enough to realize he's not Jarett Allen.

sorry, but the fact you think i compared Reed with Jarret Allen instead of using his case to make a contextual analogy, is example 101 of this entire discussion in a nutshell

Even within context of this discussion the analogy is a joke. Jarrett Allen played because he was better. I never thought that Allen would be an all-star, I knew he deserved to be in the NBA. Again, since you don't seem to follow the discussion well. I don't believe Reed should play the center position in the NBA.
If he developed a real jumpshot, he could be something...I guess

[Mik317]

maybe Reed can't play the 5 longterm or even as a backup

DJ can't play in the NBA anymore tho so there is that.

No one is saying Reed is perfect or the answer to all of our problems. Smarter and better teams will play him off the floor because of his recklessness. But the alternative is Jordan and Milsap who are both washed. Can't defend in space. And can't even defend at the rim anymore either. You keep bringing up Lance's drives when again they simply were pretty good drives; Lance is strong as **** and bullies a lot of people around; And most importantly...it didn't really effect anything as we still won those minutes. Its just a weird hill to die on really.

Regardless the upside of Reed is him playing w/ the bench unit and giving the defense a different look than the two fossils we had out there before. He's not perfect. He will make mistakes. Will foul at a high rate too. And will still be better than DJ lol. I don't understand why this is a hard concept really. 70% at the rim bro.

[Kobblehead]

Embiid is truly amazing. We are very lucky to be witnessing this.

[M2J]

No the difference between you and I, is that I've seen Reed get minutes and I'm smart enough to realize he's not Jarett Allen.

sorry, but the fact you think i compared Reed with Jarret Allen instead of using his case to make a contextual analogy, is example 101 of this entire discussion in a nutshell

Why I think you taking it personal... Is that your reaching so far back to win an argument that nobody cares about... That you're bringing up Giannis in November when Reed was the power forward, as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when Giannis and Millsap were centers...

I care about the argument, yes, i'm posting on a team sub forum. It's like obvious i care That doesn't mean it's personal.

The fact you keep doing this and acting like "nobody cares" while discussing it with me for 3 pages, is surreal.

Which is relevant to this argument about Reed as people believed that he should be playing the backup center role. You would look a lot more composed if you just stop talking about Giannis at all.

This entire argument started because you said Reed would be a disaster guarding Giannis.....

Reed is not worth bringing up in a discussion of l Giannis. Neither is DeAndre Jordan who I don't give a sh*t about.... So please stop bringing up any and everything about Jordan as if I'm tied to him (that's not just for you, that's for anybody)

I mean, wasn't your opinion that DJ is a better rim protector than Reed?

My discussion into Reed was from giving him a compliment on his first half. Then calling out Stormi's hyperbolic statement of him being a special talent. My reasoning for that is because of the idea of calling for the coaches job because of this guy in another thread... Essentially in regards to the major issue that is the backup center role. A role that is primarily an issue due to rebounding and rim protection.... Which I believe DAJ is best suited for on this roster.... I'm sure the stats will agree. Giannis only came in due to the fiasco that occurred by Milsap in one game, and everyone calling for Reed. You've gone any and everywhere with this discussion to win an argument no one cares about. I've spent like 90% of my replies trying to bring you back to the points. Not even trying to argue

[Ferry Avenue]

I think Harden is saving himself by playing the facilitator role.

If that's the case then we should see an immediate and startling difference in how he plays in the first quarter of game one of the playoffs. That matter will be adjudicated with about 7 or 8 minutes left in the first quarter of that game.