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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#41 » by dbodner » Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:28 pm

no. I probably won't really start looking at a lot until the Sixers season is over.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#42 » by barkley34 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:09 am

You have to wonder how much our draft will suffer because DiLeo has been coaching instead of out scouting the players. I guess he can evaluate them in the workouts and watch game tape of them before the draft.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#43 » by sixerswillrule » Wed May 25, 2022 12:21 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
The Guilty Party wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:Stephen Curry.


He intrigues me a lot. Obviously he can shoot the rock from deep (which is something this team NEEDS) but can he play the point effectively at the next level??

Possibly. But I don't think we'll have any rookie PG starting for us any time soon. He'd be perfect for us replacing Lou's role, IMO. But I think a future backcourt of him and Iguodala could definitely work.


It worked out after all.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#44 » by FlyingArrow » Wed May 25, 2022 12:46 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
The Guilty Party wrote:
He intrigues me a lot. Obviously he can shoot the rock from deep (which is something this team NEEDS) but can he play the point effectively at the next level??

Possibly. But I don't think we'll have any rookie PG starting for us any time soon. He'd be perfect for us replacing Lou's role, IMO. But I think a future backcourt of him and Iguodala could definitely work.


It worked out after all.

Epic necro.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#45 » by ZarcMumoff » Wed May 25, 2022 1:00 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
The Guilty Party wrote:
He intrigues me a lot. Obviously he can shoot the rock from deep (which is something this team NEEDS) but can he play the point effectively at the next level??

Possibly. But I don't think we'll have any rookie PG starting for us any time soon. He'd be perfect for us replacing Lou's role, IMO. But I think a future backcourt of him and Iguodala could definitely work.


It worked out after all.


Ha, what a throwback.
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Post#46 » by sixerswillrule » Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 am

FlyingArrow wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:Possibly. But I don't think we'll have any rookie PG starting for us any time soon. He'd be perfect for us replacing Lou's role, IMO. But I think a future backcourt of him and Iguodala could definitely work.


It worked out after all.

Epic necro.


Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#47 » by mjkvol » Wed May 25, 2022 3:04 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
It worked out after all.

Epic necro.


Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.


I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#48 » by youngcrev » Wed May 25, 2022 8:59 am

mjkvol wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:Epic necro.


Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.


I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).


Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.

Also, seeing some the usernames in this old thread was a great throwback. What happened to The Guilty Party?
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#49 » by mjkvol » Wed May 25, 2022 12:06 pm

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.


I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).


Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.

Also, seeing some the usernames in this old thread was a great throwback. What happened to The Guilty Party?


Yeah, I know, just a bit of a cheap shot because of his insistence in making his point. I'm sure you could check out threads before every draft and find many similar type evaluations that look insane with 20/20 hindsight.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#50 » by ZarcMumoff » Wed May 25, 2022 12:30 pm

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.


I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).


Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.

Also, seeing some the usernames in this old thread was a great throwback. What happened to The Guilty Party?


He just abruptly left one day. Wasn't even a situation where he slowly stopped posting...just all of a sudden was like "Yup, I'm out."
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Post#51 » by FlyingArrow » Wed May 25, 2022 12:35 pm

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
Someone randomly and one'd a post of mine in this thread today lol, which brought me here.

Some of the other takes in this thread though, yikes.


I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).


Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.


Isn't Steph one of the strongest on the team? Doesn't look like it, but I thought I heard that somewhere.
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Post#52 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 25, 2022 12:47 pm

I’m not sure what I thought of him at the time, but I can’t fault people who dismissed him. We were in the “hyper athletic as a premium” mindset towards the draft at the time. He was the actual turning point in changing that line of thinking as the game began to value shooting (particularly threes) much more after him.
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Post#53 » by the_process » Wed May 25, 2022 1:16 pm

This thread has some awesome throwback posters!

-The paywall, who actually answered a question directed to him
-Dedicated
-and my personal fav: Old rem. That guy was out there.

Nostalgia.
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Re: Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft 

Post#54 » by youngcrev » Wed May 25, 2022 1:26 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
I'd love to hear this guy Kevin12 on some of his analysis of Steph Curry as an NBA prospect.

Short arms, zero athleticism, zero size or strength.
Things will get much much harder for Curry at the next level, regardless.


He has virtually zero PG skills.
He wouldn't be a starting PG on any team in the NBA.


1.5 assist/turnover ratio playing in the freaking Southern Conference.
Get real, Curry has no PG skills. Also, DraftNet is not a critical site, they tend to write the good things about the players.
He is nothing more than bench chucker on the next level. His ceiling is Jennero Pargo (with even shorter arms).


Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.


Isn't Steph one of the strongest on the team? Doesn't look like it, but I thought I heard that somewhere.


I remember there being a story about him having a strong deadlift a few years ago. I think he got into a lot of lower body lifts after having ankle trouble early in his career.
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Post#55 » by FlyingArrow » Wed May 25, 2022 5:46 pm

youngcrev wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Prospect evaluation is tough man. And to be fair, he's not that far off with most of the stuff in terms of PG skills and lack of athleticism, size and strength. He just missed how elite he was at his chucking, haha. I don't think draftexpress had any bullet points on him being the greatest shooter of all time that would revolutionize the game. He's also developed his body and ball handling pretty considerably since he came out.


Isn't Steph one of the strongest on the team? Doesn't look like it, but I thought I heard that somewhere.


I remember there being a story about him having a strong deadlift a few years ago. I think he got into a lot of lower body lifts after having ankle trouble early in his career.

Yep:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds/
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Post#56 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 25, 2022 7:31 pm

We ended up with the 5th best pick of this draft anyway (Jrue). Definitely a weird one. I don't know what's a harder pill to swallow: Memphis taking Hasheem Thabeet #2 over Harden or Minnesota taking back to back point guards leading up to Steph Curry getting selected.

Jonny Flynn at 6'0 going #6 is truly a delusional move. Thabeet, also in hindsight, was an atrocious move. Drafting huge guys who can block in the top 3 probably died after this selection.

If you really look at it, was a very mediocre draft. The great players are great, but trash beyond that. But it was transformative in the way it marked a turning point for how organizations value prospects.
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Post#57 » by youngcrev » Wed May 25, 2022 8:20 pm

Negrodamus wrote:We ended up with the 5th best pick of this draft anyway (Jrue). Definitely a weird one. I don't know what's a harder pill to swallow: Memphis taking Hasheem Thabeet #2 over Harden or Minnesota taking back to back point guards leading up to Steph Curry getting selected.

Jonny Flynn at 6'0 going #6 is truly a delusional move. Thabeet, also in hindsight, was an atrocious move. Drafting huge guys who can block in the top 3 probably died after this selection.

If you really look at it, was a very mediocre draft. The great players are great, but trash beyond that. But it was transformative in the way it marked a turning point for how organizations value prospects.


Thabeet is a rough one, but not that uncommon.
Drafting 2 straight PGs at 5 and 6 only to have Curry go the very next pick is just brutal.
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Post#58 » by youngcrev » Wed May 25, 2022 8:36 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
Isn't Steph one of the strongest on the team? Doesn't look like it, but I thought I heard that somewhere.


I remember there being a story about him having a strong deadlift a few years ago. I think he got into a lot of lower body lifts after having ankle trouble early in his career.

Yep:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds/


Yeah, that's the one.

Is 400 pounds really even impressive for a professional athlete? Feels like it shouldn't be
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Post#59 » by FlyingArrow » Thu May 26, 2022 4:17 pm

youngcrev wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
I remember there being a story about him having a strong deadlift a few years ago. I think he got into a lot of lower body lifts after having ankle trouble early in his career.

Yep:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds/


Yeah, that's the one.

Is 400 pounds really even impressive for a professional athlete? Feels like it shouldn't be


It was second on the team, so I guess so.
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Post#60 » by 76thBearCub » Thu May 26, 2022 7:59 pm

A 2x bodyweight dead lift isn't particularly impressive from Joe schmo.


He's found a way to make it work though I reckon.

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