Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[Ericb5]

There's literally no logical reason whatsoever to not try those 2 together.

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

There IS a reason not to play Noel and Joel together, and that is that Noel can't play the 4, and Embiid shouldn't play the 4.

Embiid can be the best center in the league, and we shouldn't mess with that. If neither Okafor, nor Noel can play the 4 then they can't play with Embiid.

I think we should give Okafor a chance to prove if he can do it or not, but not even waste the minutes on trying it with Noel.


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[phifans]

Simmons (30) / Saric (18)
Okafor (30) / Saric (9) Noel (9)
Embiid (30) / Noel (18)

Everyone's happy and problem solved.

[Ericb5]

Simmons (30) / Saric (18)
Okafor (30) / Saric (9) Noel (9)
Embiid (30) / Noel (18)

Everyone's happy and problem solved.

I would rather something like:

Sf: Saric 10/ Simmons 12/Covington and Grant 26 between them
Pf: Simmons 20/ Saric 14/ Okafor 14
C: Embiid 32/ Okafor 16

Noel gone. Holmes filling in when needed.


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[rzzzzz]

There IS a reason not to play Noel and Joel together, and that is that Noel can't play the 4, and Embiid shouldn't play the 4.

Embiid wants to play point guard. Jah says he's got the talent to play with anybody. ain't no harm letting them play a shift while we got them on the same roster. (i'd be uneasy letting Noel go w/o checking things out on the court first.)

[76ciology]

Just need to upgrade star talent at perimeter (I prefer wings). Then I'll invest big w/player development with our bigs ability to switch at the perimeter and overall team's perimeter shooting.

Our frontcourt is set with ability to play big or small that can give you favorable stage for your perimeter stars to perform.

[Misteclipse]

There's literally no logical reason whatsoever to not try those 2 together.

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

I can't agree with that. Noel has already proven he can't play the 4. Embiid instead of Okafor won't change that and I'm certainly not having Embiid play the 4, offensively or defensively.

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[HartfordWhalers]

There's literally no logical reason whatsoever to not try those 2 together.

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

I can't agree with that. Noel has already proven he can't play the 4. Embiid instead of Okafor won't change that and I'm certainly not having Embiid play the 4, offensively or defensively.

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Noel proved he cannot play the 4 offensively. He was fine just not exceptional defensively at the 4.

So, the idea that you play Noel/Embiid together and Embiid is the hgh post while Noel the low post isn't something ruled out by last year. But it does have the same questions, is Embiid less effective at the pf offensively? And if Noel is chasing guys on the perimeter instead of near the hoop, is he really being maximized.

[Kolkmania]

There's literally no logical reason whatsoever to not try those 2 together.

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

I can't agree with that. Noel has already proven he can't play the 4. Embiid instead of Okafor won't change that and I'm certainly not having Embiid play the 4, offensively or defensively.

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Although the Noel and Okafor pairing was disastrous last year, I'm still leaning towards some minor minutes of pairing them. With Okafor extending his range and being more mobile it could be less horrific on the defensive side. They had horrible perimeter defenders around them and I absolutely hated how Brown used them on offense. I get that Noel is the more gifted passer, but let him P&R with some occasional passing from the high post (not from the top of key). Duo's like Adams/Kanter, Favors/Gobert, Jokic/Nurkic, etc. all had some succes in certain matchups, I'm just doubting Brown is capable of creating an efficient offense. Excellent people manager, but perhaps just a really poor coach.

[Misteclipse]

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

I can't agree with that. Noel has already proven he can't play the 4. Embiid instead of Okafor won't change that and I'm certainly not having Embiid play the 4, offensively or defensively.

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Noel proved he cannot play the 4 offensively. He was fine just not exceptional defensively at the 4.

So, the idea that you play Noel/Embiid together and Embiid is the hgh post while Noel the low post isn't something ruled out by last year. But it does have the same questions, is Embiid less effective at the pf offensively? And if Noel is chasing guys on the perimeter instead of near the hoop, is he really being maximized.

I'd much rather have Embiid around the hoop anyways since he can actually rebound. There's just no way that I'm personally having Embiid play the 4 offensively to compensate for a complete zero offensive player. Noel has no offense in the low post either. He's strictly a pick and roll player. I'm only willing to try it with Okafor because he's our best scoring option. Hell I'd rather try Holmes and Grant at the 4 instead of Noel at this point.

Noel to me is just a lost cause on this team. Okafor, for all his flaws actually provides something on this team nobody else does. Noel's skills are replaceable by players already on the roster imo.

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[Ericb5]

no reason not to play Joel with Noel as well. we got big talent on the front line, and then it gets sketchy fast. we ought to play Sam's 4 main prospects max minutes and together while we got the chance.

I can't agree with that. Noel has already proven he can't play the 4. Embiid instead of Okafor won't change that and I'm certainly not having Embiid play the 4, offensively or defensively.

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Noel proved he cannot play the 4 offensively. He was fine just not exceptional defensively at the 4.

So, the idea that you play Noel/Embiid together and Embiid is the hgh post while Noel the low post isn't something ruled out by last year. But it does have the same questions, is Embiid less effective at the pf offensively? And if Noel is chasing guys on the perimeter instead of near the hoop, is he really being maximized.

Dealing with Noel on the offensive end, and forcing Embiid to play the 4 offensively, is not worth getting Noel on the floor defensively seeing as Embiid is just as good of a rim protector.

Noel just isn't good enough to be worth his weaknesses, unless he is playing the 5, and isn't behind better players.


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[phifans]

I hope Noel would accept to be the first big man off the bench eventually. He can still provide some valuable rim protection. And that may very well be a difference maker if you have such a defensive weapon on your bench when we finally become a contender in a few years.

[Ericb5]

I hope Noel would accept to be the first big man off the bench eventually. He can still provide some valuable rim protection. And that may very well be a difference maker if you have such a defensive weapon on your bench when we finally become a contender in a few years.

He might, if he could split minutes between the 4 and 5, and still get up to 30. Basically, this is the scenario that I think can work for Okafor.

The problem is that Noel can only play the 5, so his minutes off the bench would only exist if Okafor is traded, and then would be limited by whatever is left after whatever Embiid plays.

The back up center minutes, in a "traded Okafor, and Healthy Embiid" scenario are probably only about 15-18 minutes. Noel will get big money from someone to play 30 plus minutes at the 5 position in free agency so he really doesn't have a future here unless Embiid busts.

[Negrodamus]

I hope Noel would accept to be the first big man off the bench eventually. He can still provide some valuable rim protection. And that may very well be a difference maker if you have such a defensive weapon on your bench when we finally become a contender in a few years.

The amount of money that's going to be thrown his way in FA... I just don't see why he'd want to hang around here.

[ET Da Gawd]

Can't wait till the bigs play together, all this foolish talk gonna end


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[76ciology]

FWIW, jah/biid is going to be a problem for all teams on offense while their mobility on defense should be right there with Cavs, Raps and Spurs PF/C tandem. Just trust the process that players improve their reads and reaction time on D by more playing time and bigs are becoming more mobile as they follow NBA fitness programs.

Like I said, Biid and Simmons addition did more benefit for Jah than Noel. Addition of both Biid and Simmons would now not ask for Jah to anchor the D of guys like Canaan, Ish and etc. While you can't have too much scorers on a team nowadays.

Offense rules.

[Unbreakable99]

Can't wait till the bigs play together, all this foolish talk gonna end


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Brown wasn't going start Jah and Jojo before Simmons got hurt and he already came out yesterday and said they won't start together even without Simmons. He only said they may end the games together. Brown knows Jah and Jojo isn't a great match together on the defensive end. I wouldn't mind see them play together just so we can finally see if they can since we will still suck. I just don't see it working well. We don't have the floor spacers to knock down shots and Jah and Jojo play the same area. But I don't expect them playing more than 12 minutes together on the floor.

[Unbreakable99]

FWIW, jah/biid is going to be a problem for all teams on offense while their mobility on defense should be right there with Cavs, Raps and Spurs PF/C tandem. Just trust the process that players improve their reads and reaction time on D by more playing time and bigs are becoming more mobile as they follow NBA fitness programs.

Like I said, Biid and Simmons addition did more benefit for Jah than Noel. Addition of both Biid and Simmons would now not ask for Jah to anchor the D of guys like Canaan, Ish and etc. While you can't have too much scorers on a team nowadays.

Offense rules.

I still have my concerns. The only saving grace is the +/- of Jah/Embiid might be better than Jah/Noel because Embiid is a better scorer and Jah seems to have improved his midrange game and can play 18 feet out. I still think they will be a negative on the floor together though. I hope it can work out but I don't know. Once Simmons comes back it's going to be the Simmons/Embiid show and we won't see much of Okafor and Embiid together.

[ET Da Gawd]

Idc, aint no one judging okafor/embiid while grant is chucking 3s at his hearts content, whole team has issues, its not the frontcourt though!! Okafor Embiid is the future of this team...even with simmons, they have to be our main scorers...until ben gets a jumper & joel gets rhythm, Okafor is the rock of the offense, defense is fine with embiid back there, perimeter needs a compete overhaul, even the pelicans have respectable guards who know how to do proper post feeds & cut.

[TGFA]

Can't wait till the bigs play together, all this foolish talk gonna end


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Brown wasn't going start Jah and Jojo before Simmons got hurt and he already came out yesterday and said they won't start together even without Simmons. He only said they may end the games together. Brown knows Jah and Jojo isn't a great match together on the defensive end. I wouldn't mind see them play together just so we can finally see if they can since we will still suck. I just don't see it working well. We don't have the floor spacers to knock down shots and Jah and Jojo play the same area. But I don't expect them playing more than 12 minutes together on the floor.

well its not news that Brown has no clue what he is doing.
this has been established that last couple of years

[76ciology]

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