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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#101 » by BoomBap » Sun Nov 6, 2016 3:54 pm

i don't know. I don't think he will be our coach, when we start contending.

and bruh, please bench henderson the final minutes of a game...every game!
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#102 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Nov 6, 2016 4:22 pm

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You said that it was a bad decision to have Henderson take the final shot, and I pointed out that that that wasn't the plan, and you pivoted your rationale then.

That's the point. You guys are just pissed at the results and you are ascribing blame to the coach.

You should be blaming the lack of talent on the team if you are going to blame anything. In reality, we shouldn't even care about the results of these games because they don't matter. The important thing is that we develop Embiid and Simmons.

Embiid is one of the best players in the league already, and how soon we seem to forget that we have Simmons too. Fans should be pinching themselves because of how well things are going instead of chewing on themselves over the results of meaningless games.


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I see what you are saying, but to me, the games are starting to matter. Agree that Embiids development is everything right now. But part of his development is learning how to contribute to wins down the stretch.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#103 » by Kolkmania » Mon Nov 7, 2016 8:18 am

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You clearly didn't watch the post game press conference then. The plan was to get Joel the ball, and Henderson couldn't do it.

Yet you think that Henderson was supposed to take the final shot, and you think that that was a bad decision.

So this is your basis for saying that he makes bad decisions? You made an incorrect assumption, and then ascribed the intent to the coach.


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IDGAF about a press conference or what Brown says. In my opinion is was poorly drawn up, and poorly executed.

Back to the play, I get it....the main guys were well covered, Henderson was our option, Cleveland knew it, he panicked, and Cleveland knew he would. Plain and simple. It was a bad idea to have him out there, that's not all on BB, but he needs to realize this, and he needs to better prepare us for situations like this.
Look i'm trying to keep this basketball related, but this is where we miss a Jerryd Bayless or Ben Simmons. If either one of them are healthy, Hendo stays in his comfort zone as a solid role player and doesn't see the floor with the game on the line. Cavs knew he was the weak link at that point. I would have went with a different lineup to handle that last possession. I would have went big with shooters. Rodriguez, Cov, Saric, Ersan, and JoJo.


You said that it was a bad decision to have Henderson take the final shot, and I pointed out that that that wasn't the plan, and you pivoted your rationale then.

That's the point. You guys are just pissed at the results and you are ascribing blame to the coach.

You should be blaming the lack of talent on the team if you are going to blame anything. In reality, we shouldn't even care about the results of these games because they don't matter. The important thing is that we develop Embiid and Simmons.

Embiid is one of the best players in the league already, and how soon we seem to forget that we have Simmons too. Fans should be pinching themselves because of how well things are going instead of chewing on themselves over the results of meaningless games.


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I don't want the Sixers to fire BB just for the sake of continuity and he seems like a good development coach. But this isn't the first time that an out of bounds play ends up like this. The execution is done by the players, but the play itself was flawed in every way. We can blame Henderson for it, but he stood there for 8 (2 times the exact same play?) seconds and there was no clear passing lane available, so the give and go with Covington was the only option. After that he attacked the basket poorly, but I can't blame him for that.

I posted some plays by Terry Stotts in the Around the League topic and one can see a clear difference in spacing and creativity between the Blazers and Sixers. This had very little to do with a lack of talent (Covington, Embiid, Ilyasova, Henderson and Sergio all capable shooters).
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#104 » by Ericb5 » Mon Nov 7, 2016 2:42 pm

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Ericb5 wrote:
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IDGAF about a press conference or what Brown says. In my opinion is was poorly drawn up, and poorly executed.

Back to the play, I get it....the main guys were well covered, Henderson was our option, Cleveland knew it, he panicked, and Cleveland knew he would. Plain and simple. It was a bad idea to have him out there, that's not all on BB, but he needs to realize this, and he needs to better prepare us for situations like this.
Look i'm trying to keep this basketball related, but this is where we miss a Jerryd Bayless or Ben Simmons. If either one of them are healthy, Hendo stays in his comfort zone as a solid role player and doesn't see the floor with the game on the line. Cavs knew he was the weak link at that point. I would have went with a different lineup to handle that last possession. I would have went big with shooters. Rodriguez, Cov, Saric, Ersan, and JoJo.


You said that it was a bad decision to have Henderson take the final shot, and I pointed out that that that wasn't the plan, and you pivoted your rationale then.

That's the point. You guys are just pissed at the results and you are ascribing blame to the coach.

You should be blaming the lack of talent on the team if you are going to blame anything. In reality, we shouldn't even care about the results of these games because they don't matter. The important thing is that we develop Embiid and Simmons.

Embiid is one of the best players in the league already, and how soon we seem to forget that we have Simmons too. Fans should be pinching themselves because of how well things are going instead of chewing on themselves over the results of meaningless games.


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I don't want the Sixers to fire BB just for the sake of continuity and he seems like a good development coach. But this isn't the first time that an out of bounds play ends up like this. The execution is done by the players, but the play itself was flawed in every way. We can blame Henderson for it, but he stood there for 8 (2 times the exact same play?) seconds and there was no clear passing lane available, so the give and go with Covington was the only option. After that he attacked the basket poorly, but I can't blame him for that.

I posted some plays by Terry Stotts in the Around the League topic and one can see a clear difference in spacing and creativity between the Blazers and Sixers. This had very little to do with a lack of talent (Covington, Embiid, Ilyasova, Henderson and Sergio all capable shooters).


Maybe the plays suck, but again, it is hard to draw up plays for incompetent players. Do you just draw it up as if they are capable of running it, and hope for the best? Maybe.

In the future we will just give the ball to Simmons and let him take it from there. Right now we are stuck with no good options. I mean Embiid is a great option, but he needs to be given the ball. He shouldn't be running out beyond the 3 point line to receive the ball, and then try to attack the rim. He needs one of the ball handlers to receive the ball and get it to him, and the other team simply doubled him without the ball.


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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#105 » by Ericb5 » Mon Nov 7, 2016 2:47 pm

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You said that it was a bad decision to have Henderson take the final shot, and I pointed out that that that wasn't the plan, and you pivoted your rationale then.

That's the point. You guys are just pissed at the results and you are ascribing blame to the coach.

You should be blaming the lack of talent on the team if you are going to blame anything. In reality, we shouldn't even care about the results of these games because they don't matter. The important thing is that we develop Embiid and Simmons.

Embiid is one of the best players in the league already, and how soon we seem to forget that we have Simmons too. Fans should be pinching themselves because of how well things are going instead of chewing on themselves over the results of meaningless games.


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I see what you are saying, but to me, the games are starting to matter. Agree that Embiids development is everything right now. But part of his development is learning how to contribute to wins down the stretch.


The games are mattering more than they used to, but they are still unimportant in a general sense.

I personally watch every game rooting for a win now, and that is the first season during that tank era where that is true.

We can't let little hiccups dissuade us from the excitement that we should all be feeling right now about Embiid and Simmons. The rest of the players can be ground into protein shakes to feed those guys if need be, as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#106 » by SelfishPlayer » Mon Nov 7, 2016 2:52 pm

Brett Brown is overrated as a developmental coach. Who has he developed? People always go back to San Antonio for that answer, meanwhile San Antonio has developed a superstar in Kawhi Leonard WITHOUT BRETT BROWN! Something is not right here. Brett Brown is getting individual credit for simply being a part of the Spurs system. They didn't need him. They are continuing the Spurs way without him. Look at all of the guys on the Sixers that haven't taken a leap forward like Stauskas, Covington, and Thompson. I actually think that Brett Brown is holding Richaun Homes back by not giving him consistent minutes. Brett Brown is horrible, look at how he cracked at the end of the Cavs game then in the press conference he BLAMED IT ON THE PLAYERS! He said that the players called the play! That's a Chip Kelly move!
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#107 » by Kolkmania » Mon Nov 7, 2016 3:00 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
You said that it was a bad decision to have Henderson take the final shot, and I pointed out that that that wasn't the plan, and you pivoted your rationale then.

That's the point. You guys are just pissed at the results and you are ascribing blame to the coach.

You should be blaming the lack of talent on the team if you are going to blame anything. In reality, we shouldn't even care about the results of these games because they don't matter. The important thing is that we develop Embiid and Simmons.

Embiid is one of the best players in the league already, and how soon we seem to forget that we have Simmons too. Fans should be pinching themselves because of how well things are going instead of chewing on themselves over the results of meaningless games.


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I don't want the Sixers to fire BB just for the sake of continuity and he seems like a good development coach. But this isn't the first time that an out of bounds play ends up like this. The execution is done by the players, but the play itself was flawed in every way. We can blame Henderson for it, but he stood there for 8 (2 times the exact same play?) seconds and there was no clear passing lane available, so the give and go with Covington was the only option. After that he attacked the basket poorly, but I can't blame him for that.

I posted some plays by Terry Stotts in the Around the League topic and one can see a clear difference in spacing and creativity between the Blazers and Sixers. This had very little to do with a lack of talent (Covington, Embiid, Ilyasova, Henderson and Sergio all capable shooters).


Maybe the plays suck, but again, it is hard to draw up plays for incompetent players. Do you just draw it up as if they are capable of running it, and hope for the best? Maybe.

In the future we will just give the ball to Simmons and let him take it from there. Right now we are stuck with no good options. I mean Embiid is a great option, but he needs to be given the ball. He shouldn't be running out beyond the 3 point line to receive the ball, and then try to attack the rim. He needs one of the ball handlers to receive the ball and get it to him, and the other team simply doubled him without the ball.


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Haha you're acting like we had 4 players that could barely walk, let alone handle a basketball at the floor with Embiid. If you want to keep it simple BB had a very good option. Let Embiid block Rodriguez' man up high, if Irving goes under let Sergio Rodriguez, one of the best shot creators from Europe, handle the ball and initiate a P&R with Embiid and Covington, Ilyasova and Henderson spreading the floor. If they switch at the pick let Embiid roll to the basket with the smaller guy guarding him.

One thing that was possibly even more annoying was the hesitation from Brown to call a time-out. :lol: Instead of 7 seconds he could have had 14 seconds.

I hate losing, but I wouldn't fire Brett Brown during the season. Search and scout for better coaches and if BB fails to improve his coaching replacing him becomes an option in the summer.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#108 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 1:19 am

FIRE THIS MAN! This idiot has put out lineups that included Sergio and TJ Mconnell on the floor at the very same time and Dario Saric & Ersan Ilyasova on the floor at the very same time but never Embiid and Okafor. This man is a joke. He absolutely refuses to play Okafor at the PF position. Even when Okafor and Noel were on the floor together last season it was almost always with Okafor at the 5. When he decided to play Noel mostly at the 5 last season he did so by splitting Okafor and Noel's minutes at the 5 and putting other players at the PF position. What's his deal? He's a loser! We need a Tyronn Lue type of coach that can come in here and do the right things that bring about success on the NBA court for the team and for the individual players.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#109 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Nov 8, 2016 2:26 am

Forget all of what we want or don't want as fans.

Telling you if we go to 0-10, the guy is gone, and it might not even take 0-10.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#110 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 2:35 am

Joel Embiid hits 3's, Richaun Holmes hits 3's. Okafor can drive from behind the 3 point line, why are they all fighting for minutes at the center position? Can one of them please be allowed to fight for PF minutes? That's terrible coaching.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#111 » by 76thBearCub » Tue Nov 8, 2016 2:36 am

I have shown my own lack of patience I admit but lets give the guy an upgrade over TJ freaking McConnell
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#112 » by Skates » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:13 am

BB seemed displeased that BC has given him a team that can't play at full speed, high pace ultra athletic defensive pressure and scoring on the break. He seems frustrated and lacks any real clue how to coach the way the team is constructed. The fissures are starting to show between coach and GM. It won't last long.
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Post#113 » by phifans » Tue Nov 8, 2016 3:23 am

Skates wrote:BB seemed displeased that BC has given him a team that can't play at full speed, high pace ultra athletic defensive pressure and scoring on the break. He seems frustrated and lacks any real clue how to coach the way the team is constructed. The fissures are starting to show between coach and GM. It won't last long.


Its weird BB expected this ? If he really wants to play full speed , high pace game with Embiid being our core he should be fired now. He has no idea how use his biggest weapon at all.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#114 » by Skates » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:57 am

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Skates wrote:BB seemed displeased that BC has given him a team that can't play at full speed, high pace ultra athletic defensive pressure and scoring on the break. He seems frustrated and lacks any real clue how to coach the way the team is constructed. The fissures are starting to show between coach and GM. It won't last long.


Its weird BB expected this ? If he really wants to play full speed , high pace game with Embiid being our core he should be fired now. He has no idea how use his biggest weapon at all.


No, he really has no clue how to design a big man (or big men) oriented offense. The team still has inexperience, injuries and inconsistent talent levels, but I see no signs of anything remotely resembling a well designed or coached offense, and really haven't seen one since he has been coach.
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Post#115 » by TTP » Tue Nov 8, 2016 5:46 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:FIRE THIS MAN! This idiot has put out lineups that included Sergio and TJ Mconnell on the floor at the very same time and Dario Saric & Ersan Ilyasova on the floor at the very same time but never Embiid and Okafor. This man is a joke. He absolutely refuses to play Okafor at the PF position. Even when Okafor and Noel were on the floor together last season it was almost always with Okafor at the 5. When he decided to play Noel mostly at the 5 last season he did so by splitting Okafor and Noel's minutes at the 5 and putting other players at the PF position. What's his deal? He's a loser! We need a Tyronn Lue type of coach that can come in here and do the right things that bring about success on the NBA court for the team and for the individual players.


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Post#116 » by TTP » Tue Nov 8, 2016 5:51 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:Joel Embiid hits 3's, Richaun Holmes hits 3's. Okafor can drive from behind the 3 point line, why are they all fighting for minutes at the center position? Can one of them please be allowed to fight for PF minutes? That's terrible coaching.


Even if I accept the suspect claim that the ability to space to the 3 point line is enough to play these players at the 4, Richaun Holmes is a 20% career 3 point shooter thus far. Teams will happily leave him open to shoot there.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#117 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:34 am

TTP wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Joel Embiid hits 3's, Richaun Holmes hits 3's. Okafor can drive from behind the 3 point line, why are they all fighting for minutes at the center position? Can one of them please be allowed to fight for PF minutes? That's terrible coaching.


Even if I accept the suspect claim that the ability to space to the 3 point line is enough to play these players at the 4, Richaun Holmes is a 20% career 3 point shooter thus far. Teams will happily leave him open to shoot there.


What's his percentage on contested 3's? From the looks of it, I'll take a Holmes open 3 over a contested 3 from any of the perimeter players. I think that his productivity is artificially low because he isn't given a high enough amount of minutes while garbage like Nik and TJ play greater minutes and still average less PPG than Richaun Homes on the season thus far.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#118 » by SelfishPlayer » Tue Nov 8, 2016 6:37 am

TTP wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:FIRE THIS MAN! This idiot has put out lineups that included Sergio and TJ Mconnell on the floor at the very same time and Dario Saric & Ersan Ilyasova on the floor at the very same time but never Embiid and Okafor. This man is a joke. He absolutely refuses to play Okafor at the PF position. Even when Okafor and Noel were on the floor together last season it was almost always with Okafor at the 5. When he decided to play Noel mostly at the 5 last season he did so by splitting Okafor and Noel's minutes at the 5 and putting other players at the PF position. What's his deal? He's a loser! We need a Tyronn Lue type of coach that can come in here and do the right things that bring about success on the NBA court for the team and for the individual players.


Like having Lebron?


The cool thing about Lebron is that we have got to see coaches lose their last game of the season with him.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#119 » by Ericb5 » Tue Nov 8, 2016 4:57 pm

If the team keeps losing like this Brown won't survive, but I don't think it would be the right move.

He should have a chance to coach the team once Simmons is healthy, and the Noel trade happens and brings in some more wing or guard talent.

If he can't improve the team then, then make the change after the season when there are good coaches on the market.


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Post#120 » by WVU » Tue Nov 8, 2016 5:09 pm

It would be incredibly stupid to fire BB this season.

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