Welcome Jonah Bolden

Post #101 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:36 pm

I said it in another thread (or 3), but I think he forces the team's hand -- demands the q/o or a standard second rounder longer but gtd somewhat deal.

I expect to see him on the roster, with Philly suddenly needing to cut or trade one the guys everyone has penciled as the 15 + Bolden.

ckchen · Post #102 » by **ckchen** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:11 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I said it in another thread (or 3), but I think he forces the team's hand -- demands the q/o or a standard second rounder longer but gtd somewhat deal.

I expect to see him on the roster, with Philly suddenly needing to cut or trade one the guys everyone has penciled as the 15 + Bolden.

Does he really have this kind of leverage though? If he's still under contract with Belgrade, I don't even think he can sign the QO - unless he negotiates the buyout completely on his own and pays for it himself. Who knows what his buyout is, but I doubt he would want to pay for it all by himself. I would think it's in his best interests to work with the Sixers on it and if they want him to stay over another year, I can't see how he would even be in a position to force anyone's hand.

The only way I see him making the team is if the Sixers somehow find a way to deal Okafor without a player in return (for a pick, etc.) and a space opens up.

Post #103 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:18 pm

ckchen wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I said it in another thread (or 3), but I think he forces the team's hand -- demands the q/o or a standard second rounder longer but gtd somewhat deal.

I expect to see him on the roster, with Philly suddenly needing to cut or trade one the guys everyone has penciled as the 15 + Bolden.

Does he really have this kind of leverage though? If he's still under contract with Belgrade, I don't even think he can sign the QO - unless he negotiates the buyout completely on his own and pays for it himself. Who knows what his buyout is, but I doubt he would want to pay for it all by himself. I would think it's in his best interests to work with the Sixers on it and if they want him to stay over another year, I can't see how he would even be in a position to force anyone's hand.

The only way I see him making the team is if the Sixers somehow find a way to deal Okafor without a player in return (for a pick, etc.) and a space opens up.

If he buys it out, he can force the Sixers hand. If his agent feels like he can get a gtd min contract from some team, then it might still be worth it if the buyout is not so large.

ckchen · Post #104 » by **ckchen** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 8:44 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
ckchen wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I said it in another thread (or 3), but I think he forces the team's hand -- demands the q/o or a standard second rounder longer but gtd somewhat deal.

I expect to see him on the roster, with Philly suddenly needing to cut or trade one the guys everyone has penciled as the 15 + Bolden.

Does he really have this kind of leverage though? If he's still under contract with Belgrade, I don't even think he can sign the QO - unless he negotiates the buyout completely on his own and pays for it himself. Who knows what his buyout is, but I doubt he would want to pay for it all by himself. I would think it's in his best interests to work with the Sixers on it and if they want him to stay over another year, I can't see how he would even be in a position to force anyone's hand.

The only way I see him making the team is if the Sixers somehow find a way to deal Okafor without a player in return (for a pick, etc.) and a space opens up.

If he buys it out, he can force the Sixers hand. If his agent feels like he can get a gtd min contract from some team, then it might still be worth it if the buyout is not so large.

Right, like I said, then he would have to pay for his buyout himself. At a minimum type salary that's not a lot of wiggle room - it really all depends on the size of the buyout. He did, however, sign a 3 yr deal last year, so it would be buying out 2 yrs of his deal. He's also not allowed to speak or negotiate with any other team other than the Sixers, so that makes it even more of a gamble - it's not like he can even be allowed to discuss other options with other NBA teams. I still find the idea that he would do so on his own, just to force the Sixers hand, pretty unlikely. But anything's possible.

Rastas · Post #105 » by **Rastas** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 2:44 pm

Having lurked on many teams summer league boards I can tell you there are quite a few other teams fans with a lot of positive things to say about Bolden , I'm guessing their teams officals also have a similar view , so if the 76ers try forcing Bolden back to Serbia (remember he is Australian - not a euro) and he doesn't want to go - then they may be running the risk of loosing him in the future.

smittybanton · Post #106 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:01 pm

If it's true the Sixers are interested in Willie Reed (which I doubt), then trades are in the works. Hopefully we can make room for Bolden. Makes no sense for Korkmaz to be here before he's ready, and Bolden to be overseas when he is clearly one of our fifteen best players.

smittybanton · Post #107 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:07 pm

Also, if Amir Johnson is such a great mentor, then shouldn't Jonah Bolden be here to receive his wisdom.

ckchen · Post #108 » by **ckchen** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 3:22 pm

Rastas wrote:Having lurked on many teams summer league boards I can tell you there are quite a few other teams fans with a lot of positive things to say about Bolden , I'm guessing their teams officals also have a similar view , so if the 76ers try forcing Bolden back to Serbia (remember he is Australian - not a euro) and he doesn't want to go - then they may be running the risk of loosing him in the future.

How is that exactly? By drafting him, the Sixers have secured his rights. Those rights don't expire. His only recourse is taking the required tender, which, admittedly, he could definitely do, but financially, especially if there is a buyout involved in his deal, probably doesn't work out in his favor at all.

That said, it's summer league - you hear great things about a lot of fringe players. Based on Summer league you would think that Bryn Forbes is the next big thing. I think they were saying last night that a Isaiah Miles was generating interest yesterday given his "strong" play in SL. I'm not worried about losing Isaiah Miles to anyone or that he will become anything more than a fringe player.

Simmons25 · Post #109 » by **Simmons25** » Sat Jul 8, 2017 1:55 am

ckchen wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I said it in another thread (or 3), but I think he forces the team's hand -- demands the q/o or a standard second rounder longer but gtd somewhat deal.

I expect to see him on the roster, with Philly suddenly needing to cut or trade one the guys everyone has penciled as the 15 + Bolden.

Does he really have this kind of leverage though? If he's still under contract with Belgrade, I don't even think he can sign the QO - unless he negotiates the buyout completely on his own and pays for it himself. Who knows what his buyout is, but I doubt he would want to pay for it all by himself. I would think it's in his best interests to work with the Sixers on it and if they want him to stay over another year, I can't see how he would even be in a position to force anyone's hand.

The only way I see him making the team is if the Sixers somehow find a way to deal Okafor without a player in return (for a pick, etc.) and a space opens up.

My understanding is his buyout is not very big at all and that his intention was always to pay the buyout and come over this year prior to the draft.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jonah-bolden-ucla-adriatic-league-7afd59f16d85

While it was widely reported that Bolden signed a two-year deal with KK Crvena Zvezda (more commonly known as Red Star) over the weekend, I was informed by his representatives that he actually signed a three-year deal with the club last season and was then loaned out to FMP, which essentially serves as a farm team for the bigger club. However, due to the way the Adriatic League regulates loan agreements, Bolden’s contract with Zvezda was initially reported as a one-year deal with FMP.

He still intends to come over to the NBA next season after paying a buyout to Zvezda, which could be an issue for teams looking for a draft-and-stash player (the Blazers, Jazz, and Nets, who all have multiple first-rounders) at the end of the first round.

ckchen · Post #110 » by **ckchen** » Sat Jul 8, 2017 3:36 am

Simmons25 wrote:My understanding is his buyout is not very big at all and that his intention was always to pay the buyout and come over this year prior to the draft.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jonah-bolden-ucla-adriatic-league-7afd59f16d85

While it was widely reported that Bolden signed a two-year deal with KK Crvena Zvezda (more commonly known as Red Star) over the weekend, I was informed by his representatives that he actually signed a three-year deal with the club last season and was then loaned out to FMP, which essentially serves as a farm team for the bigger club. However, due to the way the Adriatic League regulates loan agreements, Bolden’s contract with Zvezda was initially reported as a one-year deal with FMP.

He still intends to come over to the NBA next season after paying a buyout to Zvezda, which could be an issue for teams looking for a draft-and-stash player (the Blazers, Jazz, and Nets, who all have multiple first-rounders) at the end of the first round.

Are you hearing this from somewhere else, or basing this all off this article? Nothing here seems to indicate the size of his buyout. The wording is strange, but isn't really different from what you would expect him to say - which is he wants to come over after his contract is bought out, but it doesn't really say much more than an intention.

Simmons25 · Post #111 » by **Simmons25** » Sat Jul 8, 2017 3:55 am

ckchen wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:My understanding is his buyout is not very big at all and that his intention was always to pay the buyout and come over this year prior to the draft.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jonah-bolden-ucla-adriatic-league-7afd59f16d85

While it was widely reported that Bolden signed a two-year deal with KK Crvena Zvezda (more commonly known as Red Star) over the weekend, I was informed by his representatives that he actually signed a three-year deal with the club last season and was then loaned out to FMP, which essentially serves as a farm team for the bigger club. However, due to the way the Adriatic League regulates loan agreements, Bolden’s contract with Zvezda was initially reported as a one-year deal with FMP.

He still intends to come over to the NBA next season after paying a buyout to Zvezda, which could be an issue for teams looking for a draft-and-stash player (the Blazers, Jazz, and Nets, who all have multiple first-rounders) at the end of the first round.

Are you hearing this from somewhere else, or basing this all off this article? Nothing here seems to indicate the size of his buyout. The wording is strange, but isn't really different from what you would expect him to say - which is he wants to come over after his contract is bought out, but it doesn't really say much more than an intention.

I remember hearing it was very reasonable... trying to find out where I heard it. I believe it was on a podcast that his dad was on.

I guess either way, he has been pretty adamant he wants to come straight over so he obviously has no problem at all paying whatever clause there is and for Philly their amount would be small anyway.

Mylie10 · Post #112 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:38 am

Really impressed with Bolden against the Warriors in Summer League last night. He was extremely active and really looked good to me. You guys must find a spot for him.

PLO · Post #113 » by **PLO** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:39 am

Mylie10 wrote:Really impressed with Bolden against the Warriors in Summer League last night. He was extremely active and really looked good to me. You guys must find a spot for him.

It seems Bolden starting his rookie contract this year is not really built into our forward planning; he does look ready to contribute though which is unfortunate for him and for us fans. Its probably just not in the best interests of the organisation right now.

Post #114 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:48 am

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Rastas · Post #115 » by **Rastas** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:44 pm

His ability to grab so many offensive boards is really impressive - really hoping he plays this coming season.

Mylie10 · Post #116 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:53 pm

PLO wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Really impressed with Bolden against the Warriors in Summer League last night. He was extremely active and really looked good to me. You guys must find a spot for him.

It seems Bolden starting his rookie contract this year is not really built into our forward planning; he does look ready to contribute though which is unfortunate for him and for us fans. Its probably just not in the best interests of the organisation right now.

Since I'm not familiar with his situation, can you fill me in a bit? Is it his buy out?

oddwolfhooligan · Post #117 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:46 pm

Are there any actual good reasons for bringing him over this season? Like everyone else, I've been a big fan of his play in the SL, but why waste a year of a valuable rookie contract just to have him sit on the bench? The playing time won't be there so it makes worlds more sense to let him develop overseas for another year and then bring him over in 2018.

Kolkmania · Post #118 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:48 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
PLO wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Really impressed with Bolden against the Warriors in Summer League last night. He was extremely active and really looked good to me. You guys must find a spot for him.

It seems Bolden starting his rookie contract this year is not really built into our forward planning; he does look ready to contribute though which is unfortunate for him and for us fans. Its probably just not in the best interests of the organisation right now.

Since I'm not familiar with his situation, can you fill me in a bit? Is it his buy out?

No it's our current roster, with Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, Dario Saric, Richaun Holmes and Amir Johnson we have 5 quality PF/C's. Jonah Bolden and Jahlil Okafor won't get enough minutes to develop if he came over. Sitting an entire season on the bench is for one a shame since he's good enough to play and secondly a waste of a relatively cheap year of his rookie contract.

Simmons25 · Post #119 » by **Simmons25** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:30 am

oddwolfhooligan wrote:Are there any actual good reasons for bringing him over this season? Like everyone else, I've been a big fan of his play in the SL, but why waste a year of a valuable rookie contract just to have him sit on the bench? The playing time won't be there so it makes worlds more sense to let him develop overseas for another year and then bring him over in 2018.

I can't see the playing time getting any better in 2018 when have the ability to have a massive crack at free agency. We will have to dump/trade guys to bring in Bolden who won't have played a single second of regular season NBA.

It would have been nice to have in the 15 and being mentored by a guy like Amir Johnson to eventually take over from him. I think he shown enough to see him getting playing time behind Dario and Rob Covington. Easily could get 10-15 mins a night.

Especially if injuries as always happen and TLC keeps regressing the way he is.

Besides.... I want to see us throw out there at some point 5 guys x 6ft 9" and over on the court :lol:

Talk about ridiculous size and length... and not exactly immobile either!

Embiid: 7ft 2"
Dario: 6ft 10"
Bolden: 6ft 10"
Covington: 6ft 9"
Simmons: 6ft 10"

Simmons25 · Post #120 » by **Simmons25** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:15 pm

ckchen wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:My understanding is his buyout is not very big at all and that his intention was always to pay the buyout and come over this year prior to the draft.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-jonah-bolden-ucla-adriatic-league-7afd59f16d85

While it was widely reported that Bolden signed a two-year deal with KK Crvena Zvezda (more commonly known as Red Star) over the weekend, I was informed by his representatives that he actually signed a three-year deal with the club last season and was then loaned out to FMP, which essentially serves as a farm team for the bigger club. However, due to the way the Adriatic League regulates loan agreements, Bolden’s contract with Zvezda was initially reported as a one-year deal with FMP.

He still intends to come over to the NBA next season after paying a buyout to Zvezda, which could be an issue for teams looking for a draft-and-stash player (the Blazers, Jazz, and Nets, who all have multiple first-rounders) at the end of the first round.

Are you hearing this from somewhere else, or basing this all off this article? Nothing here seems to indicate the size of his buyout. The wording is strange, but isn't really different from what you would expect him to say - which is he wants to come over after his contract is bought out, but it doesn't really say much more than an intention.

Just saw this.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/jonah-bolden-looks-ready-for-nba-but-do-sixers-have-spot-for-him-20170710.html

But although things could change, he’s scheduled to play with KK Crvena zvezda in Belgrade, Serbia, this coming season. The 21-year-old Australian signed a two-year contract with the professional team on June 10. If need be, Bolden won’t have a problem getting out of his contract. His buyout is for $675,000.

I'm stuck between wanting to see the new fit slimmed down Okafor to see what he can do and even potentially increase his value or seeing Bolden in his place.

According to that article it's not out of the realms of possibility Bolden could be one of those two-way G-League players.. play him in the G-League and then give him NBA games up to the max of 45 days and if he is showing enough you can trade someone to make him onto the main roster.