Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

76ciology · Post #101 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 4:20 am

Sixers science said it best. Maybe the FO doesnt give this season much importance than us fans does. And i wont be surprised about this because we have a forward thinking/big picture ownership.

Post #102 » by **Foshan** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 4:28 am

I'm just glad we got rid of that Hinkie guy who was never talking to the press and leaving us to hang on only Brett browns speculation. Dude was so sneaky and never gave answers that we wanted. Isn't it nice that things are so different now?

(Can't believe it was page 6 with no Hinkie)

76ciology · Post #103 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:23 am

Foshan wrote:I'm just glad we got rid of that Hinkie guy who was never talking to the press and leaving us to hang on only Brett browns speculation. Dude was so sneaky and never gave answers that we wanted. Isn't it nice that things are so different now?

(Can't believe it was page 6 with no Hinkie)

Josh Harris = Hinkie = BC

GMs are hired to take punches from fans and media. At the end of the day, GMs are more of advisers and fronts. Owner says yes or no and do masterplanning.

PLO · Post #104 » by **PLO** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:34 am

LloydFree wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Its funny that the team didn't want to acknowledge the "injury" early on. For Colangelo, one of the blessings of this "injury", is that it gives the team the ability to shield Fultz from questions from the media. As long as he's "injured" and not practicing, he's not available to the media for constant questions about struggles, when this supposedly happened, or if he's still sore in any way. The message can be controlled thru policy and generally the less hardcore fans don't care, because they have Simmons and Embiid to distract them.

Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

No. Even if I thought he was a great prospect, he'd still be struggling because he's a 19 year old PG with average athleticism.

Even given that and the fact he's not playing, he's still contributing more than Lonzo.

76ciology · Post #105 » by **76ciology** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 6:39 am

Finishing around the rim for a PG is more of a skill based than athleticism based. Just look how IT, Kyrie and Steph do it. I remember when we faced IT and thr Celts last season and IT did a great job using his body to finish against Embiid.

I could be wrong. But if you can shoot anywhere, good IQ, atleast average speed/athleticism and be a good ISO ballhandler, you're likely to be a good PG.

In most cases, I'd rather have an average athlete but very good shooting PG than a PG with average shooter and elite athleticism.

James40 · Post #106 » by **James40** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 6:51 am

Foshan wrote:I'm just glad we got rid of that Hinkie guy who was never talking to the press and leaving us to hang on only Brett browns speculation. Dude was so sneaky and never gave answers that we wanted. Isn't it nice that things are so different now?

(Can't believe it was page 6 with no Hinkie)

Only two people I can remember that regularly torched Hinkie, and I’m the other one. I never really hammered him being sneaky or the press
(except for the Jah fight in Boston) and hanging B.B. out to dry, which is what Colangelo is now doing to B.B. with this Fultz nonsense.

It’s crazy that fans think Hinkie was flamed here on a daily basis, when the facts are he was beloved by most. Just not by me, and the other knucklehead.

LordCovington33 · Post #107 » by **LordCovington33** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 7:52 am

76ciology wrote:
2017-2018 Markelle Fultz Jersey

He has played games already, so he is not a red shirt.

I find it ironic some people questioning Fultz's mental well-being in this thread.

Ryuzaki · Post #108 » by **Ryuzaki** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:03 am

KrazySixersD wrote:ya I've defended fultz all along, and was a big proponet of him in the draft, he was my top guy...

but I'm saying it now... Fultz is a pathetic weak minded scrub.. that's where all this evidence points

been 6 weeks since his scan came back CLEAN.. and still not playing or even reports of him shooting. The dude must be a legit MENTAL MIDGIT

its on him to prove me wrong and make me eat my words but at this point, screw fultz, that's how I feel

and screw this front office for letting this charade get to this point with still no clear answers or time tables.

put his pathetic ass out there and he either works through it and becomes a player, or if it ruins him, then he was never great to begin with because great players dont sit out 6 weeks cuz they are afraid to shoot

either way, pathetic on both fultz and the sixers

and I'll happily eat crow if he comes out and dominates, I'll enjoy every bit of it, but right now, this is how I feel

You need some fresh air

Ryuzaki · Post #109 » by **Ryuzaki** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:04 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
2017-2018 Markelle Fultz Jersey

He has played games already, so he is not a red shirt.

I find it ironic some people questioning Fultz's mental well-being in this thread.

Right lol and the comments are coming from posters that are having their own breakdowns itt. Comical

long range bomber · Post #110 » by **long range bomber** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:13 am

At this point I’m not even expecting any contributions from Fultz this season. Dude is starting his rookie year way behind the 8 ball as there’s just too little bball to go off in the last 8 months. Didn’t play tourney + didn’t play much summer league + limited preseason + limited to 19mpg in 4 of the teams 23 games + no scheduled recovery time.

Mrcrockpots · Post #111 » by **Mrcrockpots** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 11:53 am

I'm as optimistic of a Sixers fan as it gets. I predicted 48-50 wins this year, and I'm still hopeful, but even I'm rational and logical enough to understand that it makes zero sense rushing Fultz back right now. He's more than likely not coming back until around Christmas, and why is that wrong? His mechanics and confidence with his jump shot are what matter most moving forward. Could you imagine how devastating it would be if Fultz came back to the court with the same mechanics?

LloydFree · Post #112 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 12:09 pm

PLO wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Are you willing to consider the possibility he wouldn't be struggling if he wasn't even injured?

No. Even if I thought he was a great prospect, he'd still be struggling because he's a 19 year old PG with average athleticism.

Even given that and the fact he's not playing, he's still contributing more than Lonzo.

LOL. Whatever makes you feel good.

BigSleep333 · Post #113 » by **BigSleep333** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 12:58 pm

why does a "great" (many of the media guys and the majority on this board said that, despite the fact that he has similar shooting numbers as justise winslow at college) shooter want to change his shooting form over the summer?

im gettin frustrated with this situation and this **** mystery injury. if it would be a common injury there would be no doubt left, but i have many doubts.

Negrodamus · Post #114 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 1:01 pm

Mrcrockpots wrote:I'm as optimistic of a Sixers fan as it gets. I predicted 48-50 wins this year, and I'm still hopeful, but even I'm rational and logical enough to understand that it makes zero sense rushing Fultz back right now. He's more than likely not coming back until around Christmas, and why is that wrong? His mechanics and confidence with his jump shot are what matter most moving forward. Could you imagine how devastating it would be if Fultz came back to the court with the same mechanics?

Wait, why would he have the same mechanics? I was told by many on this board that you don’t just forget your previous shot form.

Mrcrockpots · Post #115 » by **Mrcrockpots** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 1:51 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:I'm as optimistic of a Sixers fan as it gets. I predicted 48-50 wins this year, and I'm still hopeful, but even I'm rational and logical enough to understand that it makes zero sense rushing Fultz back right now. He's more than likely not coming back until around Christmas, and why is that wrong? His mechanics and confidence with his jump shot are what matter most moving forward. Could you imagine how devastating it would be if Fultz came back to the court with the same mechanics?

Wait, why would he have the same mechanics? I was told by many on this board that you don’t just forget your previous shot form.

We need UW Markelle. He's the final major piece to all of this. If it takes all season to rebuild the form then so be it.

Bum Adebayo · Post #116 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 2:19 pm

BigSleep333 wrote:why does a "great" (many of the media guys and the majority on this board said that, despite the fact that he has similar shooting numbers as justise winslow at college) shooter want to change his shooting form over the summer?

im gettin frustrated with this situation and this **** mystery injury. if it would be a common injury there would be no doubt left, but i have many doubts.

Because he wasn't a great shooter, his mechanics would lead to mediocre results from NBA 3pt distance. He was more of a tough shot maker than a pure shooter. Tons of guys can shot 40% from college 3 and then proceed to suck in NBA, guys like Ingram for example.

JojoSlimbiid · Post #117 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 3:26 pm

What they say in this update will be quite telling. I'm expecting them to say he's out indefinitely, which means he's done for the year but they want to keep selling merchandise and things like that. If they give another 2-3 week time period than maybe he might come back. I expect the first option.

gdog2004 · Post #118 » by **gdog2004** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 4:36 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:What they say in this update will be quite telling. I'm expecting them to say he's out indefinitely, which means he's done for the year but they want to keep selling merchandise and things like that. If they give another 2-3 week time period than maybe he might come back. I expect the first option.

Same, out indefinitely. All of those stupid posters with him/Simmons and Embiid should be burned until this guy actually plays.
I have played basketball/coached basketball and have never seen ANYONE get hurt over changing their shooting form.
The BS meter is off the charts on this one.

LloydFree · Post #119 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:03 pm

gdog2004 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:What they say in this update will be quite telling. I'm expecting them to say he's out indefinitely, which means he's done for the year but they want to keep selling merchandise and things like that. If they give another 2-3 week time period than maybe he might come back. I expect the first option.

Same, out indefinitely. All of those stupid posters with him/Simmons and Embiid should be burned until this guy actually plays.
I have played basketball/coached basketball and have never seen ANYONE get hurt over changing their shooting form.
The BS meter is off the charts on this one.

I believe you could have it backwards. You see he injured his shoulder before his shot was altered. Doesn't know when or how. Didn't tell anybody he was in any pain. Then his shot was altered due to not being able to lift his arm above his head. That's way more sensible...

eagereyez · Post #120 » by **eagereyez** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:08 pm

A 19 year old PG is not going to be a positive contributor and the Sixers are trying to win. That's probably why Colangelo and the rest of Sixers management see no reason to rush him back. 19 year olds are better off not playing their first year anyway. That time is better spent on NBA training and conditioning.