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LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Embiid and Ben are a compatible frontcourt. They need Tobias traded for a alpha guard who can create.
yuuby wrote:youngcrev wrote:He's also arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and not a rim protector... So not a center?
Not being able to shoot isn't the only qualifier of a center.
I'd like to see them experiment with it for stretches with a switch everything unit to have a different look when Embiid goes to the bench, but I don't think that's his primary spot.
You can be a roll man as a 4. AD and John Collins are among the best in the league at it.
Those two guys take 95% of their shots within 5 feet of the basket?
Name a single player since 2010 who shoots 95% of their shots within 5 feet who isnt a center?
Sabonis cant protect the rim yet he is still a center. Sabonis' role in the half court is what Simmons should be aiming at.
youngcrev wrote:yuuby wrote:youngcrev wrote:He's also arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and not a rim protector... So not a center?
Not being able to shoot isn't the only qualifier of a center.
I'd like to see them experiment with it for stretches with a switch everything unit to have a different look when Embiid goes to the bench, but I don't think that's his primary spot.
You can be a roll man as a 4. AD and John Collins are among the best in the league at it.
Those two guys take 95% of their shots within 5 feet of the basket?
Name a single player since 2010 who shoots 95% of their shots within 5 feet who isnt a center?
Sabonis cant protect the rim yet he is still a center. Sabonis' role in the half court is what Simmons should be aiming at.
Name another center that's best quality defensively (and probably as a player in general) is their perimeter defense.
Ben's a unique player that doesn't fit into a traditional definition of a position.
As for Sabonis, I think he's a center, though he plays PF for the Pacers when Turner is on the floor, and him not being a rim protector is a pretty huge drawback to trying to build around him.
yuuby wrote:youngcrev wrote:yuuby wrote:
Those two guys take 95% of their shots within 5 feet of the basket?
Name a single player since 2010 who shoots 95% of their shots within 5 feet who isnt a center?
Sabonis cant protect the rim yet he is still a center. Sabonis' role in the half court is what Simmons should be aiming at.
Name another center that's best quality defensively (and probably as a player in general) is their perimeter defense.
Ben's a unique player that doesn't fit into a traditional definition of a position.
As for Sabonis, I think he's a center, though he plays PF for the Pacers when Turner is on the floor, and him not being a rim protector is a pretty huge drawback to trying to build around him.
Bam Adebayo. He isnt a great rim protector but is an excellent switch defender.
Draymond Green to a lesser extent but he protects the rim too.
Kobblehead wrote:Do people actually think Ben Simmons would ever willingly play C beyond small minute stretches? Playing C is very physically taxing and unfun.
yuuby wrote:youngcrev wrote:He's also arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and not a rim protector... So not a center?
Not being able to shoot isn't the only qualifier of a center.
I'd like to see them experiment with it for stretches with a switch everything unit to have a different look when Embiid goes to the bench, but I don't think that's his primary spot.
You can be a roll man as a 4. AD and John Collins are among the best in the league at it.
Those two guys take 95% of their shots within 5 feet of the basket?
Name a single player since 2010 who shoots 95% of their shots within 5 feet who isnt a center?
Sabonis cant protect the rim yet he is still a center. Sabonis' role in the half court is what Simmons should be aiming at.
yuuby wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Do people actually think Ben Simmons would ever willingly play C beyond small minute stretches? Playing C is very physically taxing and unfun.
Well he would benefit statistically from it. Also his teams will never have hope as he is an offensuve liability if he is not playing center against real teams.
76ciology wrote:yuuby wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Do people actually think Ben Simmons would ever willingly play C beyond small minute stretches? Playing C is very physically taxing and unfun.
Well he would benefit statistically from it. Also his teams will never have hope as he is an offensuve liability if he is not playing center against real teams.
Point center-ish.
Be the only guy in the paint and have a big to stretch the court. Play with a stretch 5 that is like a big 4. Like how he played with Al. And how Giannis and Siakam plays.
He’s gonna more lethal on transition then on halfcourt a lot of roll man and catching lobs at dunker spot
Agree that he benefits this statistically.
Example:
In this game Gobert was guarding him and he was playing with Mike Scott, and some with D12 at 5
Many dont talk much about this but Ben is quite good with a 5 who can shoot above the break 3 on transition. Al benefitted a lot from this
76ciology wrote:yuuby wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Do people actually think Ben Simmons would ever willingly play C beyond small minute stretches? Playing C is very physically taxing and unfun.
Well he would benefit statistically from it. Also his teams will never have hope as he is an offensuve liability if he is not playing center against real teams.
Point center-ish.
Be the only guy in the paint and have a big to stretch the court. Play with a stretch 5 that is like a big 4. Like how he played with Al. And how Giannis and Siakam plays.
He’s gonna more lethal on transition then on halfcourt a lot of roll man and catching lobs at dunker spot
Agree that he benefits this statistically.
Example:
In this game Gobert was guarding him and he was playing with Mike Scott, and some with D12 at 5
Sportfan73 wrote:This is why a sexton/love for tobi+ is soooo attractive of a deal
yuuby wrote:76ciology wrote:yuuby wrote:
Well he would benefit statistically from it. Also his teams will never have hope as he is an offensuve liability if he is not playing center against real teams.
Point center-ish.
Be the only guy in the paint and have a big to stretch the court. Play with a stretch 5 that is like a big 4. Like how he played with Al. And how Giannis and Siakam plays.
He’s gonna more lethal on transition then on halfcourt a lot of roll man and catching lobs at dunker spot
Agree that he benefits this statistically.
Example:
In this game Gobert was guarding him and he was playing with Mike Scott, and some with D12 at 5
From the Simmons camp point of view their number one goal this offseason is to have him on a different team than Embiid.
Simmons will never be maximized next to a paint bound center.
His ideal partner is a perimeter big like Porzingis, Horford, or KAT. He needs a wide open paint to do his bootleg Giannis impersonation.
I dont think a team that does that will be very successful but when youre in Minnesota you dont care about very successful. They would be very happy with a playoff appearance and would even treat a second round appearance like a title.
yuuby wrote:76ciology wrote:yuuby wrote:
Well he would benefit statistically from it. Also his teams will never have hope as he is an offensuve liability if he is not playing center against real teams.
Point center-ish.
Be the only guy in the paint and have a big to stretch the court. Play with a stretch 5 that is like a big 4. Like how he played with Al. And how Giannis and Siakam plays.
He’s gonna more lethal on transition then on halfcourt a lot of roll man and catching lobs at dunker spot
Agree that he benefits this statistically.
Example:
In this game Gobert was guarding him and he was playing with Mike Scott, and some with D12 at 5
From the Simmons camp point of view their number one goal this offseason is to have him on a different team than Embiid.
Simmons will never be maximized next to a paint bound center.
His ideal partner is a perimeter big like Porzingis, Horford, or KAT. He needs a wide open paint to do his bootleg Giannis impersonation.
I dont think a team that does that will be very successful but when youre in Minnesota you dont care about very successful. They would be very happy with a playoff appearance and would even treat a second round appearance like a title.
LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Tobias for Sexton and love fixes slot of problems. We need a alpha perimeter shot creator Sexton is a gun. Love is a good fit for both Joel and Simmons .
I would include shake as a sweetener.
76ciology wrote:LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Tobias for Sexton and love fixes slot of problems. We need a alpha perimeter shot creator Sexton is a gun. Love is a good fit for both Joel and Simmons .
I would include shake as a sweetener.
Agree. But I’d still trade Ben if I can for another Sexton type scorer and double down. Or I’d constantly find upgrade over Sexton.
LeonJordanJr24 wrote:76ciology wrote:LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Tobias for Sexton and love fixes slot of problems. We need a alpha perimeter shot creator Sexton is a gun. Love is a good fit for both Joel and Simmons .
I would include shake as a sweetener.
Agree. But I’d still trade Ben if I can for another Sexton type scorer and double down. Or I’d constantly find upgrade over Sexton.
Maxey and Curry in rotation .