Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Mik317]

KAT is the only reason The Wolves would want Ben tho

[Stanford]

Should have traded for Dejounte Murray before he came out this season averaging 18,8,8 2stl

You don't think the Spurs would trade him for Ben?

[eyeatoma]

A Kings fan on the trade board posted Simmons and Shake for Fox and Tristan Thompson.

I'm at the point where I'd take that and move on. I feel like in any Simmons/Fox centered deal, the Sixers would ask for a 1st from the Kings and the Kings will think the Sixers should be adding a first. Which probably means a more or less straight up trade is fair.

I'd want Buddy HIeld. THey want to get rid of Buddy as well.

[kuclas]

Teams just want Simmons. The salary doesn’t scare teams. They will be willing to give up their non core pieces
Celtics will give up anyone not named Tatum or brown
Kings anyone not named Haliburton/fox
Minnesota anyone not named towns/Edwards


Only team will to give up players of any value is Indiana( brodgon cause he’s injury prone and Simmons can replace him at the point)

Same with Portland giving up Cj cause norm Powell plays the same exact position so can take over from CJ

[Skates]

I would take Dejounte Murray over Fox, neither is a shooter, but with Murray you get defense and size Fox doesn't have and maybe he scores a little more efficiently on a team like the Sixers. Murray, Vassell and Dougie McBuckets (after December 14th) plus a pick for Simmons and maybe Springer. Not my favorite trade, but Fox is not a shooter, comes from a terrible system and is small and having a turd of a year. Haliburton is still my top target, but as young guys go, Vassell is one I like too. If you get a first for adding Springer in that becomes a do over pick.

[Wilfried]

A Kings fan on the trade board posted Simmons and Shake for Fox and Tristan Thompson.

I'm at the point where I'd take that and move on. I feel like in any Simmons/Fox centered deal, the Sixers would ask for a 1st from the Kings and the Kings will think the Sixers should be adding a first. Which probably means a more or less straight up trade is fair.

I'd want Buddy HIeld. THey want to get rid of Buddy as well.

I'll ask my question again:

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

[Tomjas]

A Kings fan on the trade board posted Simmons and Shake for Fox and Tristan Thompson.

I'm at the point where I'd take that and move on. I feel like in any Simmons/Fox centered deal, the Sixers would ask for a 1st from the Kings and the Kings will think the Sixers should be adding a first. Which probably means a more or less straight up trade is fair.

I'd want Buddy HIeld. THey want to get rid of Buddy as well.

I'll ask my question again:

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Nothing

I have been a big critic of Morey but he’s absolutely correct to say that conversation starts at “Fox plus”

We have our Fox give or take

Quite happy to die on this hill

We’re 1-6 without Joel & we will be lucky to be 2-10 after this road trip

Fox ALONE might get us to 3-9

Simmons would have us 7-5 & there’s years of evidence to back it up

[eyeatoma]

A Kings fan on the trade board posted Simmons and Shake for Fox and Tristan Thompson.

I'm at the point where I'd take that and move on. I feel like in any Simmons/Fox centered deal, the Sixers would ask for a 1st from the Kings and the Kings will think the Sixers should be adding a first. Which probably means a more or less straight up trade is fair.

I'd want Buddy HIeld. THey want to get rid of Buddy as well.

I'll ask my question again:

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Basically need to get our money's worth with Ben. Don't think a bunch of young players will do it. Tyrese could start but then our bench needs help. Fox is a good defender, just as fast or faster than Tyrese and a better one in one scorer. Not as good a shooter though Ave he's in a slump to start the year.

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[cej11]

Teams just want Simmons. The salary doesn’t scare teams. They will be willing to give up their non core pieces
Celtics will give up anyone not named Tatum or brown
Kings anyone not named Haliburton/fox
Minnesota anyone not named towns/Edwards


Only team will to give up players of any value is Indiana( brodgon cause he’s injury prone and Simmons can replace him at the point)

Same with Portland giving up Cj cause norm Powell plays the same exact position so can take over from CJ

I think Toronto would do Ben for Siakam straight up or Ben for OG and Dragic. There's probably some decent deals on the table that Morey doesn't want to pull the trigger on just yet. Maybe the emergence of Maxey changes the thought process on what deal makes sense.

[Kobblehead]

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Defense and distributing. Fox is a two-way player. Maxey is a shotcreation specialist that still doesn't shoot threes, make defensive plays or pass well for his size/position. And yes, generally, two way players are worth the added premium.

[kuclas]

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Defense and distributing. Fox is a two-way player. Maxey is a shotcreation specialist that still doesn't shoot threes, make defensive plays or pass well for his size/position. And yes, generally, two way players are worth the added premium.

When did fox becomes a defensive specialist? The entire Sacramento team doesn’t play defense outside of maybe Harrison barnes and even he’s gotten a little bit lazier

[Kobblehead]

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Defense and distributing. Fox is a two-way player. Maxey is a shotcreation specialist that still doesn't shoot threes, make defensive plays or pass well for his size/position. And yes, generally, two way players are worth the added premium.

When did fox becomes a defensive specialist? The entire Sacramento team doesn’t play defense outside of maybe Harrison barnes and even he’s gotten a little bit lazier

He's always been a good defender. The notion that he doesn't play defense is just an basketball twitter thing. Just like when people thought Ben Simmons was a bad defender at LSU. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. De'Aaron Fox has 382 steals and 125 blocks in 276 career games. He's a defensive stud.

[kuclas]

Defense and distributing. Fox is a two-way player. Maxey is a shotcreation specialist that still doesn't shoot threes, make defensive plays or pass well for his size/position. And yes, generally, two way players are worth the added premium.

When did fox becomes a defensive specialist? The entire Sacramento team doesn’t play defense outside of maybe Harrison barnes and even he’s gotten a little bit lazier

He's always been a good defender. The notion that he doesn't play defense is just an basketball twitter thing. Just like when people thought Ben Simmons was a bad defender at LSU. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. De'Aaron Fox has 382 steals and 125 blocks in 276 career games. He's a defensive stud.

And whiteside lead league in blocks. That makes him a good defender? No. Just means teams have no respect for him and take it to the rim. So do numbers lie on whiteside?

I dont pay attention to blocks steals etc. I watch for defensive rotation. Help defense. Guys getting back on team.

Obviously with elite rim protector like embiid. Fox can take it easy off most plays on defense. As opposed to R Holmes playing the 5 slot for the kings and trying to defend.

Elite defensive centers can make it a lot easier for wings and guards.

[Negrodamus]

Min has to be getting desperate for Ben. The wheels are coming off. KAT with 8 points in 31 minutes, yikes.

[Wilfried]

Min has to be getting desperate for Ben. The wheels are coming off. KAT with 8 points in 31 minutes, yikes.

Yeah, but they really have nothing we could use.

[Wilfried]

What does Fox brings that Maxey doesn't bring and would be worth paying 25 million dollars more for?

Defense and distributing. Fox is a two-way player. Maxey is a shotcreation specialist that still doesn't shoot threes, make defensive plays or pass well for his size/position. And yes, generally, two way players are worth the added premium.

And you would pay 25 million for those 2 aspects, while we can debate the defense thing.
Maxey is improving very well in the 3-point area, it would be stupid to think this is his ceiling in that regard (and it's not much worse than what Fox is giving you, on a team that doesn't have much offensive power besides him).

[kuclas]

Min has to be getting desperate for Ben. The wheels are coming off. KAT with 8 points in 31 minutes, yikes.

Yeah, but they really have nothing we could use.

Minnesota is so stupid. They will probably trade towns for parts by end of season. Which actually makes sense since towns will have 2 seasons left. 2 years is the key.

Simmons has 3.9 years left. Big difference. Right now.

Anyways. Getting Back to towns. It’s his 7th season he’s their most tradable asset to contending team. But teams will also give them 20 cents on the dollar as well. They think ant man is the next dwade. So let them roll with that thought.

So dysfunctional there. But at least there is always next season for them.

[Kobblehead]

Simmons and Thybulle for Edwards and salary (Beverley and Prince expirings).

[Kobblehead]

And whiteside lead league in blocks. That makes him a good defender? No. Just means teams have no respect for him and take it to the rim. So do numbers lie on whiteside?

I dont pay attention to blocks steals etc. I watch for defensive rotation. Help defense. Guys getting back on team.

Obviously with elite rim protector like embiid. Fox can take it easy off most plays on defense. As opposed to R Holmes playing the 5 slot for the kings and trying to defend.

Elite defensive centers can make it a lot easier for wings and guards.

All the best perimeter defenders throughout league history have generated deflection stats (steals and blocks). That's the gold standard for judging defense. Always has been, always will be.

[thenbaman]

Simmons and Thybulle for Edwards and salary (Beverley and Prince expirings).

Over payment.