Game 41 - Celtics @ 76ers January 14 @ 7:00 pm ET

[the_process]

Horford was trying to pass the ball while being guarded by Maxey, he's a veteran... how in the hell do you do that?

He wasn't the only one, Tatum called screens several times while being guarded by Korkmaz....

Udoka going to a Schroder-Pritchard line up when Pritchard started to play well was strange as hell too.

You can say the Celtics are bad coached, and probably you will be right, but they're also super selfish themselves, that locker room must be a pleasure.

[mjkvol]

Danny Boy left the Celtics in a total mess, and now Utah is handing him the reigns? Man, have he and Doc ever made a nice living and enjoyed inflated reputations off of that one title.

[Stanford]

Danny Boy left the Celtics in a total mess, and now Utah is handing him the reigns? Man, have he and Doc ever made a nice living and enjoyed inflated reputations off of that one title.

And in Danny's case, Prokhorov's hubris.

[Wilfried]

So this is what the Tatum/Brown era has become? What is this? How did they go from ECF as pups to this?

Maybe it was more about the supporting cast (Hayward, Rozier, prime Horford, Baynes, Morris, …) than about Brown/Tatum

[mjkvol]

Danny Boy left the Celtics in a total mess, and now Utah is handing him the reigns? Man, have he and Doc ever made a nice living and enjoyed inflated reputations off of that one title.

And in Danny's case, Prokhorov's hubris.

No doubt, but it's incredible how little has come of all those assets, relatively speaking. The Celtics were in a position to control the draft over the course of several years, and while they got Tatum and Brown out of it, they have gone from a solid playoff team to one that is a borderline lottery group. All on Danny's watch, and with a coach many dubbed an X's and O's genius.

Missing out on Kawhi and Davis were killer blows.

[Stanford]

it's incredible how little has come of all those assets, relatively speaking.

I guess. Tatum and Brown aren't top ten players and will likely never be, but they're good long-term pieces. And they got Kyrie for one of those picks. They certainly did better than we did. We had four top three picks, one dude isn't in the league, one refuses to play basketball, and another is Markelle Fultz. They didn't miss a pick, honestly.

Kawhi and Davis would have left just like Kyrie did. And then they'd have nothing.

[Zumramania]

Drafting these guys was one part, not getting rid of them while they still had value was the second, often underrated, mistake. If I'm correct there were reports of both Hinkie trying to trade Okafor early on and Brand trying to trade Simmons. They were stopped by those higher up in the hierrarchy. So I feel that when we dicuss our GM's, we don't see the full picture. This is called the "escalation of commitment", when you keep investing into something just because you already invested so much, although there are clear signals that it is going to fail. And it is also called **** management, when you don't let the let the person in charge (the GM) call all the shots.

[mjkvol]

it's incredible how little has come of all those assets, relatively speaking.

I guess. Tatum and Brown aren't top ten players and will likely never be, but they're good long-term pieces. And they got Kyrie for one of those picks. They certainly did better than we did. We had four top three picks, one dude isn't in the league, one refuses to play basketball, and another is Markelle Fultz. They didn't miss a pick, honestly.

Kawhi and Davis would have left just like Kyrie did. And then they'd have nothing.

All true, and Zumramania really hit on it - we had a revolving door of incompetence at GM along with meddling ownership, so you can't compare how we wasted assets to anyone else, really. This was a total clusterf***k in every way, from incredibly bad luck to hideous mismanagement.

I guess I was referring to how Ainge had piled up that mountain of assets and never got to a Finals, but they did have a really nice run from '16-'17 through '19-'20.

[Sixerscan]

it's incredible how little has come of all those assets, relatively speaking.

I guess. Tatum and Brown aren't top ten players and will likely never be, but they're good long-term pieces. And they got Kyrie for one of those picks. They certainly did better than we did. We had four top three picks, one dude isn't in the league, one refuses to play basketball, and another is Markelle Fultz. They didn't miss a pick, honestly.

Kawhi and Davis would have left just like Kyrie did. And then they'd have nothing.

They had a lot more than just those three picks though. Plenty of misses in the first round https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/draft.html

Like the same drafts that we took Thybulle and Maxey they took Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith in the lottery (and traded out of the Thybulle pick to eventually get Carsen Edwards and tax relief)

Heck Korkmaz isn't great or anything but he's a lot better than Guerschon Yabusele or Ante Zizic.

And what does the Kyrie thing matter now? Do the Sixers get credit for trading Dario for Butler?

Fact is the Celtics had the most draft capital in the league for like 5 years and the result has been a very shallow roster that's gone .500 for a year and a half. The Sixers can manage better than than with an all star literally refusing to play for them.

[mjkvol]

it's incredible how little has come of all those assets, relatively speaking.

I guess. Tatum and Brown aren't top ten players and will likely never be, but they're good long-term pieces. And they got Kyrie for one of those picks. They certainly did better than we did. We had four top three picks, one dude isn't in the league, one refuses to play basketball, and another is Markelle Fultz. They didn't miss a pick, honestly.

Kawhi and Davis would have left just like Kyrie did. And then they'd have nothing.

They had a lot more than just those three picks though. Plenty of misses in the first round https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/draft.html

Like the same drafts that we took Thybulle and Maxey they took Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith in the lottery (and traded out of the Thybulle pick to eventually get Carsen Edwards and tax relief)

Heck Korkmaz isn't great or anything but he's a lot better than Guerschon Yabusele or Ante Zizic.

And what does the Kyrie thing matter now? Do the Sixers get credit for trading Dario for Butler?

Fact is the Celtics had the most draft capital in the league for like 5 years and the result has been a very shallow roster that's gone .500 for a year and a half. The Sixers can manage better than than with an all star literally refusing to play for them.

For what it's worth, they did get to a few ECF's along the way while we've never made it out of the 2nd round. But we came out of it with a generational player and still have a chance, with the right moves, to get a title contender before it's over while the Celtics are at a point of needing a major retooling.

[Sixerscan]

I guess. Tatum and Brown aren't top ten players and will likely never be, but they're good long-term pieces. And they got Kyrie for one of those picks. They certainly did better than we did. We had four top three picks, one dude isn't in the league, one refuses to play basketball, and another is Markelle Fultz. They didn't miss a pick, honestly.

Kawhi and Davis would have left just like Kyrie did. And then they'd have nothing.

They had a lot more than just those three picks though. Plenty of misses in the first round https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/draft.html

Like the same drafts that we took Thybulle and Maxey they took Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith in the lottery (and traded out of the Thybulle pick to eventually get Carsen Edwards and tax relief)

Heck Korkmaz isn't great or anything but he's a lot better than Guerschon Yabusele or Ante Zizic.

And what does the Kyrie thing matter now? Do the Sixers get credit for trading Dario for Butler?

Fact is the Celtics had the most draft capital in the league for like 5 years and the result has been a very shallow roster that's gone .500 for a year and a half. The Sixers can manage better than than with an all star literally refusing to play for them.

For what it's worth, they did get to a few ECF's along the way while we've never made it out of the 2nd round. But we came out of it with a generational player and still have a chance, with the right moves, to get a title contender before it's over while the Celtics are at a point of needing a major retooling.

Oh sure they had some good free agents and trades along the way too, all gone now.

[Stanford]

They had a lot more than just those three picks though. Plenty of misses in the first round

Cool. I was responding to a post responding to a reference I made to the Nets trade specifically. They hit on 2/3 of the picks they made and traded one for a superstar. They did well with those assets. I don't think Danny Ainge did a good job overall.

And what does the Kyrie thing matter now?

I don't know, what would the AD and Kawhi thing matter now? They'd be gone too.

[Iverson Armband]

The Celtics have whooped our ass every time it mattered in the playoffs, that’s really all that matters. We’re not in the position to really gloat about where they are currently until we stop being disappointments ourselves.

[Sixerscan]

They had a lot more than just those three picks though. Plenty of misses in the first round

Cool. I was responding to a post responding to a reference I made to the Nets trade specifically. They hit on 2/3 of the picks they made and traded one for a superstar. They did well with those assets. I don't think Danny Ainge did a good job overall.

And what does the Kyrie thing matter now?

I don't know, what would the AD and Kawhi thing matter now? They'd be gone too.

I didn't really read it like that but if that was what you thought it makes more sense.

[Sixerscan]

The Celtics have whooped our ass every time it mattered in the playoffs, that’s really all that matters. We’re not in the position to really gloat about where they are currently until we stop being disappointments ourselves.

"The Celtics" did not this team. What we can't compare the Sixers to the Bulls without talking about MJ and Scottie?

[Kobblehead]

Jaylen Brown's value is pumped as high as it can possibly get. They need to sell high and try to bring in another franchise player to pair with Tatum. They should be in on De'Aaron Fox. He's the dribble penetrator they're desperately in need of.

[Iverson Armband]

The Celtics have whooped our ass every time it mattered in the playoffs, that’s really all that matters. We’re not in the position to really gloat about where they are currently until we stop being disappointments ourselves.

"The Celtics" did not this team. What we can't compare the Sixers to the Bulls without talking about MJ and Scottie?

3 of like their 5 best players from those years are still on the squad. What a terrible analogy lol.

[Sixerscan]

The Celtics have whooped our ass every time it mattered in the playoffs, that’s really all that matters. We’re not in the position to really gloat about where they are currently until we stop being disappointments ourselves.

"The Celtics" did not this team. What we can't compare the Sixers to the Bulls without talking about MJ and Scottie?

3 of like their 5 best players from those years are still on the squad. What a terrible analogy lol.

"3 of 5" lol. So I'm sure they'll make the conference finals again, right?