2024-25 Philadelphia 76ers Check In Thread (Your Current Feel on the team)

[76ciology]

Disastrous beginning to the season aside, I think we're going to make one more trade in the next two months for a fourth "star". No idea who it'll be, but I think we're going to dump the rest of our picks into someone. One guy that stands out is 6th man John Collins. I'm sure he's not happy about coming off the bench. But the Ainge of it all makes it hard to complete that deal.

Joel Embiid should request a trade if we dump precious pick equity on John Collins

Also impossible in our situation to trade for a non-rookie scale guy without absolutely gutting whatever depth we once had in like a package of five for one

It's going to be one of Kuminga / Eason / Jabari

I hope it would be for the guys you’ve mentioned but I think trading for DFS is the likely outcome. We’re just waiting for Nets to lower their price.

[76ciology]

Our chances of blowing this up are close to zero, and we still have a 91% chance of making the playoffs, according to ESPN’s stats. And this team believes that all it need to do is be at the playoffs with a healthy Embiid. It doesn’t care much about the playoff seeding.

We just need to keep playing together, find the best schemes, and build chemistry. Eventually, we’ll be competitive. At some point in the season, we’ll hit our stride.

If we want to win immediately, then I think we should simplify our offense. That’s one reason the Warriors have been so effective this season. Most teams are running basic 2 man or 3 man actions, and there’s no need for complex weave plays that aren’t generating good looks. For a group that’s still learning each other’s style, simplifying will help cut down on turnovers and create more efficient scoring opportunities.

[stormi]

Disastrous beginning to the season aside, I think we're going to make one more trade in the next two months for a fourth "star". No idea who it'll be, but I think we're going to dump the rest of our picks into someone. One guy that stands out is 6th man John Collins. I'm sure he's not happy about coming off the bench. But the Ainge of it all makes it hard to complete that deal.

Joel Embiid should request a trade if we dump precious pick equity on John Collins

Also impossible in our situation to trade for a non-rookie scale guy without absolutely gutting whatever depth we once had in like a package of five for one

It's going to be one of Kuminga / Eason / Jabari

I hope it would be for the guys you’ve mentioned but I think trading for DFS is the likely outcome. We’re just waiting for Nets to lower their price.

I could see it being DFS and I'm not opposed to it, he's not the sexy move but he also wouldn't cost every last pick at our disposal.

He's a big wing and can defend strong Fs and switch on bigs. Spent a lot of time on Tatum tonight. Also a bomber from deep.

Maxey
Martin?
George
DFS
Embiid
Oubre/Yabu/Drummgod/Lowry/McCain(pls)

Team defense if Embiid is playing like Embiid + Oubre/Martin/George/DFS should be relatively strong.

Only issue is Boston would have a defense equal or better to that unit but with White/Tatum/KP/PP/Holiday/Brown all being 37%+ shooters from deep on mega volume/

DFS is a 35% shooter from downtown, Martin/Oubre ~30%

Will we get the timely makes this time around when it matters most?

Also 76ci would you take DFS over Collins if the price to acquire was identical?

[ProcessDoctor]

Our chances of blowing this up are close to zero, and we still have a 91% chance of making the playoffs, according to ESPN’s stats. And this team believes that all it need to do is be at the playoffs with a healthy Embiid. It doesn’t care much about the playoff seeding.

We just need to keep playing together, find the best schemes, and build chemistry. Eventually, we’ll be competitive. At some point in the season, we’ll hit our stride.

If we want to win immediately, then I think we should simplify our offense. That’s one reason the Warriors have been so effective this season. Most teams are running basic 2 man or 3 man actions, and there’s no need for complex weave plays that aren’t generating good looks. For a group that’s still learning each other’s style, simplifying will help cut down on turnovers and create more efficient scoring opportunities.

Bro cmon this is so sad. We are well past the point of just trying to make the playoffs.

[Mik317]

we won't blow it up because the FO knows they won't be around for the rebuild as they will lose their jobs lol

[76ciology]

Also 76ci would you take DFS over Collins if the price to acquire was identical?

John Collins. There’s a lot of reasons but the biggest one is we can run Maxey-Collins two man game when George and Embiid aren’t playing.

[76ciology]

And if we ever land Cooper Flagg, there’s also a good chance that we’re gonna trade it

[stormi]

Also 76ci would you take DFS over Collins if the price to acquire was identical?

John Collins. There’s a lot of reasons but the biggest one is we can run Maxey-Collins two man game when George and Embiid aren’t playing.

I looked deeper into the numbers, maybe you and Negrodamus were onto something. Collins would be a pretty swell add. One of the more ideal 4 type profiles for us in the league.

Issue with that salary though, with him making 26.5m we'd essentially have to move Oubre/Martin/Jackson/KJ and Gordon to make that money work. It's just impossible.

[DCasey91]

And if we ever land Cooper Flagg, there’s also a good chance that we’re gonna trade it

He's going to be the wing/pf version of Chet

Kid is the real deal

The only direction I see now is to actually do a mini one year tank and somehow land him

Objectively I'm always about winning the main thing and I do think this is best course of action.

Gives Embiid a year to full recover from what is happening too

[76ciology]

He's going to be the wing/pf version of Chet

Kid is the real deal

From the limited clips I’ve seen, I don’t think he’s the type of player worth tanking for over the talent we currently have on the team.

He’s good, but at this point, I don’t see him as a generational talent, and is more like a wing version of Chet. And this evaluation is very premature and its just based on maybe 2-3 short clips of him and looking at his numbers on his two games for Duke.

[Kobblehead]

If we wind up punting on the year and landing in the top 5, I don't think you can trade that pick. At the point, you shift to thinking about building the next generation of a core around Maxey and McCain.

[Stanford]

And if we ever land Cooper Flagg, there’s also a good chance that we’re gonna trade it

I can't think of a single instance of Morey trading a highly ranked prospect early in his career. I don't even know who the player we'd trade for would be for given the current cap situation.

[HighFlyer23]

Release or buyout embiid contract and rebuild

[stormi]

With the Suns hotstart I was trying to find my take on Budenholzer at the time, I remember being apart of a minority unit that was a bit more receptive towards his services.


Underlying numbers in MKE looked fantastic and he'd done a lot of winning, and also an NBA champion like NN was.

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My Embiid take aged poorly, and I think my Harden take aged really well. He's absolutely carrying that Clippers team and is probably still a borderline top 20 player in the league.

The Suns have a fantastic roster, but Coach Bud has really modernized their ethos on offense while crafting a borderline T10 defense while pumping huge minutes into sieves like Nurkic/Beal/Tyus. And we expected that because that's what he does. They also move the ball with purpose and more importantly has gotten Beal and Booker to buy into reduced roles.

As the numbers displayed above, Nurse was handed tactician bias, but the Raptors continually under his tenure were never known to generate a lot of assists and the offense was relatively stale. He was given credit in the bank for forming a young core that went on to win, but his involvement in that process probably belonged more to his predecessor D Casey (wait he posts here??!)

Nurse routinely hovered within the bottom third for A/G and we're currently sitting in last place overall in the league. It's hard to watch this team and see any sort of attacking intent, but at the same time you also can't really blame him due to this decrepit roster so maybe the point is moot. It is interesting though that the Toronto Raptors are now currently tops of the league just ahead of Denver in terms of A/G.

Bud got slammed for his 'lack of adjustments' but there's only so much you can really do to cushion a system around Ben Simmons' final form that was throwing the ball out of bounds late in elimination games against the Heat out of fear of having to walk to the FT line.



I'm not really sure what type of response I'm trying to invoke here. Not at all attempting to boast myself up as some sort of guru, but I think this board as a collective was a bit harsh on Budenholzer. It just felt so bleak yesterday watching us and I can't help but wonder why it's taken so long for McCain to get burn. Why RC4 has been frozen out of a rotation that's crying out for any spark of life. Maybe Ricky Council just sucks, but we've also seen play really well and contribute in real NBA minutes. We also told ourselves maybe Isaiah Joe just sucks?

1.5 years later and I'm yet to really be convinced that Nurse is any sort of significant upgrade on Doctor Rivers, if at all. Okay maybe that's a bit harsh - Doc is successfully tanking the Bucks with a top five player completely healthy lol.

Embiid is back soon, and Maxey should be as well. Really hope everything just clicks in place when that happens.

[Eyeamok]

I love the doom and gloom. Limping into the playoffs, a one year mini tank, blow it up, Nurse sucks.

This team may not be want you want them to be today. But the season is still young. Embiid is going to come back, PG will settle into his role, Maxey will be back. And it is the ECF's and loosing to the Celtics for us.

I'll bump this post in a few months just to say I told you so.

[Stanford]

Limping into the playoffs

What seed do you think they'll finish as?

[FlyingArrow]

I love the doom and gloom. Limping into the playoffs, a one year mini tank, blow it up, Nurse sucks.

This team may not be want you want them to be today. But the season is still young. Embiid is going to come back, PG will settle into his role, Maxey will be back. And it is the ECF's and loosing to the Celtics for us.

I'll bump this post in a few months just to say I told you so.

That may well be the outcome, but the outlook is way different now than it was 8 games ago.

8 games ago, I thought your prediction was a strong possibility, but we'd have a decent chance of beating the Celtics - or whoever else we'd run into on the way to a championship. That's assuming everyone's healthy, and of course it's not that we'd be favorites - just that we were contenders.

Now, I think your prediction is a strong possibility, but we also have a decent chance of losing in the 1st or 2nd round... with almost no chance of getting into or winning the NBA finals.

If we were a league-average or slightly below average team without Embiid, I think he'd make us contenders. We're not. He's going to make us a playoff team again, and our ceiling might well be the conference finals. But we might not make it that far.

[Jailblazers7]

The only reason I’m not panicked by the 1-7 start is because the East stinks. I think a .500 record might be good enough for the 6 seed.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I realize this team is built to win now. I'm sure we'll make a run once guys get healthy. That doesn't mean that the idea of punting on this season and tanking isn't something I think of daily. IF...IF we want this franchise to continue being in the Finals conversation on a yearly basis, then tanking this season for a top five pick is probably the only way. If Cooper Flagg is the next superstar can't miss player, then maybe you go for it by a mortgage of this season. I highly doubt that we do that though.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

With the Suns hotstart I was trying to find my take on Budenholzer at the time, I remember being apart of a minority unit that was a bit more receptive towards his services.


Underlying numbers in MKE looked fantastic and he'd done a lot of winning, and also an NBA champion like NN was.

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My Embiid take aged poorly, and I think my Harden take aged really well. He's absolutely carrying that Clippers team and is probably still a borderline top 20 player in the league.

The Suns have a fantastic roster, but Coach Bud has really modernized their ethos on offense while crafting a borderline T10 defense while pumping huge minutes into sieves like Nurkic/Beal/Tyus. And we expected that because that's what he does. They also move the ball with purpose and more importantly has gotten Beal and Booker to buy into reduced roles.

As the numbers displayed above, Nurse was handed tactician bias, but the Raptors continually under his tenure were never known to generate a lot of assists and the offense was relatively stale. He was given credit in the bank for forming a young core that went on to win, but his involvement in that process probably belonged more to his predecessor D Casey (wait he posts here??!)

Nurse routinely hovered within the bottom third for A/G and we're currently sitting in last place overall in the league. It's hard to watch this team and see any sort of attacking intent, but at the same time you also can't really blame him due to this decrepit roster so maybe the point is moot. It is interesting though that the Toronto Raptors are now currently tops of the league just ahead of Denver in terms of A/G.

Bud got slammed for his 'lack of adjustments' but there's only so much you can really do to cushion a system around Ben Simmons' final form that was throwing the ball out of bounds late in elimination games against the Heat out of fear of having to walk to the FT line.



I'm not really sure what type of response I'm trying to invoke here. Not at all attempting to boast myself up as some sort of guru, but I think this board as a collective was a bit harsh on Budenholzer. It just felt so bleak yesterday watching us and I can't help but wonder why it's taken so long for McCain to get burn. Why RC4 has been frozen out of a rotation that's crying out for any spark of life. Maybe Ricky Council just sucks, but we've also seen play really well and contribute in real NBA minutes. We also told ourselves maybe Isaiah Joe just sucks?

1.5 years later and I'm yet to really be convinced that Nurse is any sort of significant upgrade on Doctor Rivers, if at all. Okay maybe that's a bit harsh - Doc is successfully tanking the Bucks with a top five player completely healthy lol.

Embiid is back soon, and Maxey should be as well. Really hope everything just clicks in place when that happens.

I can’t blame Nick Nurse just yet. During yesterday’s telecast, they pointed out that Caleb Martin has been getting plenty of open looks but just isn’t converting. Maxey’s shooting also looked rough; he’s usually in the Steph-Lillard range when he’s on his game. To me, our biggest issue right now is poor 3pt shooting. If we were hitting those shots, we’d probably be at least a .500 team.

I’m also unsure if we promised certain players starting roles or minutes, but it’s puzzling to see Drummond playing so much when the team consistently struggles with him on the floor. Pairing both Oubre and Drummond, especially when Caleb, Maxey, and George are all off from three, just isn’t working.

I think part of this is trying to get a core group familiar with Embiid. That’s why the main guys are playing together, but it often leads to awkward possessions, like Drummond going into isolation, which is almost comical.

In essence, we’re running rotations, schemes, and sets built for a team with Embiid, yet we have Drummond trying to fill that role for now. That’s how I see it.

One thing I’ve noticed with Nurse is his willingness to use every option at his disposal. He won’t go down without trying all the cards he has. Whether it’s a big lineup with Ibaka, Siakam, and Gasol, or an all 6’8” unit led by Siakam, OG, and Barnes, he’s always experimenting. I rarely feel frustrated after a loss because I know the team played hard and Nurse tried everything possible to win.