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11mil would be a lucky bargain for us, i guess itd be more like 18mil. Anyway a Guard Rotation with maxey, McCain, Grimes, butler plus Forwards PG and Edwards is fine. 4/5 is where our Problem is (If embiid ist Out of course)
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Put me down on record for not buying into the Grimes hype. I wouldn’t overpay for him this offseason. Quality young bench guy, but no way I’m paying him $15+M and writing him in pen as the starting 2 because he scored a bunch during the tankathon.
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PhillyFan11 wrote:Put me down on record for not buying into the Grimes hype. I wouldn’t overpay for him this offseason. Quality young bench guy, but no way I’m paying him $15+M and writing him in pen as the starting 2 because he scored a bunch during the tankathon.
Could be usefull as a sign-and-trade deal, no?
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PhillyFan11 wrote:Put me down on record for not buying into the Grimes hype. I wouldn’t overpay for him this offseason. Quality young bench guy, but no way I’m paying him $15+M and writing him in pen as the starting 2 because he scored a bunch during the tankathon.
I don't think scoring during tankathon is anyone's reason for seeing Grimes as a starter. Its because his skillset complements Maxey and Grimes.
15 million isn't a lot of money in NBA terms. It's just over 10% of the cap (assuming the Cap is 140 million next year). For comparison's sake, when the 6ers signed Tobias Harris back in 2019 he got 30%.
He's a good young player who provides some size, shooting and defense next 2 our other backcourt players. If it turns out he can playmake too, he'd be an absolute steal for the non-tax MLE.
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We own his rights as a RFA. It won't be us who determines his next contract it will be the rest of the NBA.
So we will see how the rest of the NBA views his year
So we will see how the rest of the NBA views his year
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I think he gets an Obi Toppin type deal. 12m
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I think I'd present two options to Grimes.
A: 1 year 8 million.
Massively discounted rate because Grimes gets to be UFA next summer where more teams have spending power.
B: 3 years. 45 million.
Every other team who would be interested in him this summer has the MLE to spend. This is slightly above the MLE, locked in for a number of years. He proves to be a starter and the Sixers have themselves a bargain for a year or two. If not, it's not so onerous as to prevent using his contract as salary matching in a trade.
A: 1 year 8 million.
Massively discounted rate because Grimes gets to be UFA next summer where more teams have spending power.
B: 3 years. 45 million.
Every other team who would be interested in him this summer has the MLE to spend. This is slightly above the MLE, locked in for a number of years. He proves to be a starter and the Sixers have themselves a bargain for a year or two. If not, it's not so onerous as to prevent using his contract as salary matching in a trade.
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the_process wrote:I think I'd present two options to Grimes.
A: 1 year 8 million.
Massively discounted rate because Grimes gets to be UFA next summer where more teams have spending power.
B: 3 years. 45 million.
Every other team who would be interested in him this summer has the MLE to spend. This is slightly above the MLE, locked in for a number of years. He proves to be a starter and the Sixers have themselves a bargain for a year or two. If not, it's not so onerous as to prevent using his contract as salary matching in a trade.
Feels like if he's on a straight 1 year its likely the QO, no?
Could see some type of smaller, multi year deal with a player option. This market likely suppresses his value. That gives him the chance show and prove over a full season, with the option to test a more favorable market.
Also feels like thing get really murky if they take a guard at the top of the draft.
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youngcrev wrote:the_process wrote:I think I'd present two options to Grimes.
A: 1 year 8 million.
Massively discounted rate because Grimes gets to be UFA next summer where more teams have spending power.
B: 3 years. 45 million.
Every other team who would be interested in him this summer has the MLE to spend. This is slightly above the MLE, locked in for a number of years. He proves to be a starter and the Sixers have themselves a bargain for a year or two. If not, it's not so onerous as to prevent using his contract as salary matching in a trade.
Feels like if he's on a 1 year its likely the QO, no?
QO is 6.3M I believe? The goal would still be to keep him long term. 8M is a little more while not affecting aprons and building some goodwill. Morey is a robot though, so you're probably right.
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I'm also thinking $15m/yr for 3 or 4 years. Don't see the market for him outside of that.
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Sixers confident in re-signing Grimes! Best 3-guard rotation in the league with Maxey and McCain!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280566/Sixers-Confident-In-Re-Signing-Quentin-Grimes
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280566/Sixers-Confident-In-Re-Signing-Quentin-Grimes
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Arsenal wrote:Sixers confident in re-signing Grimes! Best 3-guard rotation in the league with Maxey and McCain!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280566/Sixers-Confident-In-Re-Signing-Quentin-Grimes
You mean Maxey and the next Curry, right?
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mjkvol wrote:Arsenal wrote:Sixers confident in re-signing Grimes! Best 3-guard rotation in the league with Maxey and McCain!
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280566/Sixers-Confident-In-Re-Signing-Quentin-Grimes
You mean Maxey and the next Curry, right?
For sure - if not the next Steph then at least the next Brunson or Lillard. Very obvious after watching his rookie season.
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PhillyFan11 wrote:Put me down on record for not buying into the Grimes hype. I wouldn’t overpay for him this offseason. Quality young bench guy, but no way I’m paying him $15+M and writing him in pen as the starting 2 because he scored a bunch during the tankathon.
I’m always cautious of a stat stufer on a tabking team. But if $15mil per really that too much in comparison with other players in the lg? Do you think he could have an Austin Reaves like breakout? Not comparing them per se but Reaves kinda slowly came out of nowhere and when given a legit chance showed himself. And lakers for him on a bargain deal
I wouldn’t mind Grimes back at $54/4 to $60/4. How much can the Sixers really match? That I don’t know. I’d have to research unless you do?
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Does Grimes stack up to players earning 15 - 20 mil this season?
Used GROK3 to list the top ten performers this past season earning 15 - 20 million.
Performance Metrics: Ranked based on a combination of:
Player Efficiency Rating (PER): Measures per-minute productivity (league average ~15).
Win Shares (WS): Estimates contributions to team wins.
Box Plus/Minus (BPM): Measures overall impact relative to league average.
Traditional Stats: Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks per game, and shooting efficiency (TS% or FG%).
Team Impact: Role in team success (e.g., playoff contention, defensive/offensive contributions).
I didn’t look any deeper, but here's a list.
Aaron Gordon ($19,750,000),
Malcolm Brogdon ($18,000,000),
Norman Powell ($18,000,000),
Mike Conley ($15,000,000),
Jonas Valančiūnas ($15,000,000),
De’Andre Hunter ($19,500,000),
Bojan Bogdanović ($19,000,000),
Chris Paul ($15,000,000),
Draymond Green ($19,000,000), and
Caris LeVert ($16,615,384) are the top-performing NBA players earning between $15-20 million in the 2024-25 season.
Used GROK3 to list the top ten performers this past season earning 15 - 20 million.
Performance Metrics: Ranked based on a combination of:
Player Efficiency Rating (PER): Measures per-minute productivity (league average ~15).
Win Shares (WS): Estimates contributions to team wins.
Box Plus/Minus (BPM): Measures overall impact relative to league average.
Traditional Stats: Points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks per game, and shooting efficiency (TS% or FG%).
Team Impact: Role in team success (e.g., playoff contention, defensive/offensive contributions).
I didn’t look any deeper, but here's a list.
Aaron Gordon ($19,750,000),
Malcolm Brogdon ($18,000,000),
Norman Powell ($18,000,000),
Mike Conley ($15,000,000),
Jonas Valančiūnas ($15,000,000),
De’Andre Hunter ($19,500,000),
Bojan Bogdanović ($19,000,000),
Chris Paul ($15,000,000),
Draymond Green ($19,000,000), and
Caris LeVert ($16,615,384) are the top-performing NBA players earning between $15-20 million in the 2024-25 season.
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Getting Grimes for $15m/yr is a bargain if he replicates his performance from last year. Even if his usage goes down because the entire team isn't out injured, it's still a good deal.
$15m/yr ain't what it used to be. Now it's just 8% of the tax line.
$15m/yr ain't what it used to be. Now it's just 8% of the tax line.
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Arsenal wrote:Getting Grimes for $15m/yr is a bargain if he replicates his performance from last year. Even if his usage goes down because the entire team isn't out injured, it's still a good deal.
$15m/yr ain't what it used to be. Now it's just 8% of the tax line.
Right, if all he's doing is playing the Melton role, it's definitely worth it for 3&D. I think the reason why he might only still get 15 million or less is he hasn't proven that he can be a three and D wing in a contending situation... He was fine in Dallas most of the year and without Luka much of that time.... Not amazing. Philly had games when they were trying to go for it with him for a second, it seemed a bit inconsistent. I think the tanking games gave him an opportunity to at least show he can be a sixth man though that you can truly give the ball to. I'm not really sure he's ever gotten that opportunity. To me that's definitely worth 15 million.... Even though the middle class in the NBA is starving lately, in a year with no real money out there.... Actually interesting to see, but Philly needs to keep him (just not at all costs).
Ask for Brooklyn being the only team with any real money. I guess the Detroit could have some money as well maybe 25 million, but likely just 17 million. Neither team may want to lock up their money on a restricted deal where Daryl will definitely wait last minute just because they messed with him.
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I'll take the other side of this and say that Grimes on a multi year deal paying him in the 15-20M a year range is far from a home run of a deal, and could border on being a bad one.
Tiny sample size on an awful team for a guy that's bounced around the league.
Not saying it's a flat out bad idea. Or that it couldn't end up being a tremendous value. Still a risk with this team's current salary structure.
That said, him being restricted and the lack of teams with cap space should suppress his salary enough to not be a huge worry.
Tiny sample size on an awful team for a guy that's bounced around the league.
Not saying it's a flat out bad idea. Or that it couldn't end up being a tremendous value. Still a risk with this team's current salary structure.
That said, him being restricted and the lack of teams with cap space should suppress his salary enough to not be a huge worry.
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youngcrev wrote:I'll take the other side of this and say that Grimes on a multi year deal paying him in the 15-20M a year range is far from a home run of a deal, and could border on being a bad one.
Tiny sample size on an awful team for a guy that's bounced around the league.
Not saying it's a flat out bad idea. Or that it couldn't end up being a tremendous value. Still a risk with this team's current salary structure.
That said, him being restricted and the lack of teams with cap space should suppress his salary enough to not be a huge worry.
My thinking is that they'll definitely start him... Morey already alluded to that. Teams feature money, so they can build trade value and he can become an asset. 15-20 million is like the old 9 million deals. If he's an efficient 13ppg guy with some playmaking and defense... He's definitely an asset, especially with his age for a team that can't afford him right now, but could use him.
There's definitely the possibility of it hurting them though.....I don't think he's Jordan Poole however
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