Welcome V.J. Edgecombe

[NBD23]

VJ wearing number 77. Bust odds have now increased. Awful number.

77 worked out well for this Luka guy so who knows

[sodmoraes]

Did Embiid said anything about the picks? I saw that Maxey made a video talking to VJ( and PG too), but didnt see anything about Joel. I know he´s injured and isnt a leader, but he should hype our rookie...

[Arsenal]

VJ is ready to crawl through glass to fit in with this team and help us win now. "I put myself last".

Ace is preparing to hold Utah hostage because he didn't want to go there.

Morey with a masterclass draft of prioritizing "win now" instead of long-term upside, perhaps because he fears for his job!

[Black Mage]

Morey said two things that really stood out to me. First, he mentioned the growth VJ has shown, not just at Baylor, but also in high school and international play. Second, he said that when evaluating prospects, he looks for guys who are aware of their weaknesses and have a strong work ethic. The second one sounds easy, but ask yourself.. Do you think the other guys we were considering at #3 are self-aware and humble enough to acknowledge their weaknesses and actually work on them? Because if they are, then why does it feel like they’re still starting from such a low baseline, almost as if they’ve only been working on their strengths?

That’s why betting on VJ made sense. Yes, his handle still needs work, but if you’ve tracked his development, you’d probably arrive at the same conclusion Givony and the scouts Vecenie spoke with at EYBL did.. they think it’s promising and they can realistically see him becoming a point guard in the future.

His shooting is another great example. He already had a solid shooting profile, but he still made adjustments to it. That led to struggle early in the season but eventually lead him shooting nearly 37% from 3, in his last 21 games at Baylor.

This is a guy with a proven track record of growth. He went from an off-the-radar recruit with a basic 3&D skill set to a top-5 player in his class. Everyone raves about his work ethic from, but more importantly, he knows exactly what parts of his game he needs to work on, and he puts in the work.

Noticed this tidbit which basically explained why Tre wasn't in the running as he still pretends he's a 2-way talent. Ace couldn't admit anything. Kon probably had the best chance to fit the bill; but he lacked the "growth" as he's been the same guy he was since H.S. with no effort to develop his pull up jumpers.

[Black Mage]

This, and completely drama free, which can't be taken lightly here. This kid is a gym rat, will pair beautifully with Maxey, and really is a consistent jump shot away from being a perennial all star. He's about an 80% FT shooter, which shows that skill is there and combining that with his ability to pressure the rim, the sky's the limit. Best pick we could have made at #3.

PG and Embiid aside, we have Maxey, McCain, Edgecombe, Edwards, and Bona who all look to be the future of this franchise. If we can get a 4/5 in tonights second round, we'll be in a good spot.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Morey had more moves to make. If we can't resign Yabu, he's a S&T Candidate.

We can't S&T Grimes because he didn't start on the team with us last year. That said, Brooklyn is probably out of the running for signing him after trading for Mann and drafting 3 guards last night.

One of Grimes or McCain might be a valuable trade chip approaching the deadline. We sign Grimes and possibly Yabu and really, anyone aside from the five you named and tonight's pick are candidates to be moved at some point this year. I'd love to get into next year's 1st round somehow.

Forced myself to listen to Pompey leading up to draft a few times and one thing seems quite clear coming out of the team. Maxey/McCain/VJ. They aren't moving. Grimes likely won't be either.

[Black Mage]

The more I watch him, I think a comp for him is a shorter Jaylen Brown. Surprised nobody has mentioned that.

Going old old school, Clyde or Gary Payton

[ProcessDoctor]

Did Embiid said anything about the picks? I saw that Maxey made a video talking to VJ( and PG too), but didnt see anything about Joel. I know he´s injured and isnt a leader, but he should hype our rookie...

All speculation, but I can't imagine he's excited about a 19-year-old rookie helping him win now.

[FireMorey]

I, like others, see some Jimmy in him. Jimmy without the craziness. He's quick, hungry, can attack the glass, but has to develop a perimeter game.

[Iscull]

Did Embiid said anything about the picks? I saw that Maxey made a video talking to VJ( and PG too), but didnt see anything about Joel. I know he´s injured and isnt a leader, but he should hype our rookie...

All speculation, but I can't imagine he's excited about a 19-year-old rookie helping him win now.

He can’t win if he’s never on the floor

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Edgecombe is actually a bit difficult to compare to any other players. I've seen some good ones tho...Sprewell, Mathurin, Wade, Gary Payton 1&2, Antonio Daniels, ANT...The comparisons have been all over the place with him. He's a very unique player in my opinion. IDK, I'm not really going to make any with him. I can't wait to see him and Maxey on the floor together.

[76ciology]

VJ needs to work on his body, specifically, he has to put on weight. He’s currently around 190 lbs, and ideally, he should get to the 210 range, similar to Quentin Grimes. Would be great if he can land to 220. That’s a big reason why he still looks small out there, and to me, it’s the most glaring area of his game that’s lagging behind. NBA has magic juice to make that happen.

Defensively, that lack of weight and strength is going to hurt him in 1v1 situations. The league allows a lot of physicality, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t yet have the frame to handle it. Right now, his defense resembles more of a Robert Covington type, average man to man defense at best with a tendency to gamble for deflections rather than contain.

On the other hand, his handle and jumper have clearly improved. If you charted his development from 2–4 years ago, you’d see a steady upward trend. As long as he keeps working on that trajectory, he’ll be fine. I could easily see him making another noticeable improvement by midseason.

[sodmoraes]

VJ needs to work on his body, specifically, he has to put on weight. He’s currently around 190 lbs, and ideally, he should get to the 210 range, similar to Quentin Grimes. Would be great if he can land to 220. That’s a big reason why he still looks small out there, and to me, it’s the most glaring area of his game that’s lagging behind. NBA has magic juice to make that happen.

Defensively, that lack of weight and strength is going to hurt him in 1v1 situations. The league allows a lot of physicality, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t yet have the frame to handle it. Right now, his defense resembles more of a Robert Covington type, average man to man defense at best with a tendency to gamble for deflections rather than contain.

On the other hand, his handle and jumper have clearly improved. If you charted his development from 2–4 years ago, you’d see a steady upward trend. As long as he keeps working on that trajectory, he’ll be fine. I could easily see him making another noticeable improvement by midseason.

Kinda worried if his explosivness would regress if he gain some weight. Its his best nba skill.

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[Negrodamus]

Edgecombe is actually a bit difficult to compare to any other players. I've seen some good ones tho...Sprewell, Mathurin, Wade, Gary Payton 1&2, Antonio Daniels, ANT...The comparisons have been all over the place with him. He's a very unique player in my opinion. IDK, I'm not really going to make any with him. I can't wait to see him and Maxey on the floor together.

Jason Richardson or Desmond Mason for some of the older heads in here. I know that’s a range, but hyper athletic 2 guard with some all around game chops.

[76ciology]

Edgecombe is actually a bit difficult to compare to any other players. I've seen some good ones tho...Sprewell, Mathurin, Wade, Gary Payton 1&2, Antonio Daniels, ANT...The comparisons have been all over the place with him. He's a very unique player in my opinion. IDK, I'm not really going to make any with him. I can't wait to see him and Maxey on the floor together.

Jason Richardson or Desmond Mason for some of the older heads in here. I know that’s a range, but hyper athletic 2 guard with some all around game chops.

I feel like his archetype is more of a tweener, somewhere between a point guard and a shooting guard. In contrast, I see guys like Jason Richardson and Desmond Bane as tweeners between a shooting guard and a small forward. I think Anthony Edwards also fits more into that SG-SF category.

[76ciology]

Kinda worried if his explosivness would regress if he gain some weight. Its his best nba skill.

I’m more concerned that his frame might not allow him to add much mass. He has noticeably narrow shoulders, similar to how Nerlens Noel struggled to put on size.

If that turns out to be the case, there’ll be even more pressure on him to refine his ballhandling and shooting, skills that would shift him more toward the point guard end of the PG-SG spectrum rather than functioning more as a shooting guard.

[MVP1992]

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[Phillybul]

VJ needs to work on his body, specifically, he has to put on weight. He’s currently around 190 lbs, and ideally, he should get to the 210 range, similar to Quentin Grimes. Would be great if he can land to 220. That’s a big reason why he still looks small out there, and to me, it’s the most glaring area of his game that’s lagging behind. NBA has magic juice to make that happen.

Defensively, that lack of weight and strength is going to hurt him in 1v1 situations. The league allows a lot of physicality, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t yet have the frame to handle it. Right now, his defense resembles more of a Robert Covington type, average man to man defense at best with a tendency to gamble for deflections rather than contain.

On the other hand, his handle and jumper have clearly improved. If you charted his development from 2–4 years ago, you’d see a steady upward trend. As long as he keeps working on that trajectory, he’ll be fine. I could easily see him making another noticeable improvement by midseason.

That’s a lot of weight. What nba athlete has added 20-30lbs like that? Westbrook, rose, Wade, Anthony Edwards didnt even do that.

[76ciology]

VJ needs to work on his body, specifically, he has to put on weight. He’s currently around 190 lbs, and ideally, he should get to the 210 range, similar to Quentin Grimes. Would be great if he can land to 220. That’s a big reason why he still looks small out there, and to me, it’s the most glaring area of his game that’s lagging behind. NBA has magic juice to make that happen.

Defensively, that lack of weight and strength is going to hurt him in 1v1 situations. The league allows a lot of physicality, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t yet have the frame to handle it. Right now, his defense resembles more of a Robert Covington type, average man to man defense at best with a tendency to gamble for deflections rather than contain.

On the other hand, his handle and jumper have clearly improved. If you charted his development from 2–4 years ago, you’d see a steady upward trend. As long as he keeps working on that trajectory, he’ll be fine. I could easily see him making another noticeable improvement by midseason.

That’s a lot of weight. What nba athlete has added 20-30lbs like that? Westbrook, rose, Wade, Anthony Edwards didnt even do that.

Based on my experience, once you become a dad, it’s easy to add 20-30lbs.

[Phillybul]

VJ needs to work on his body, specifically, he has to put on weight. He’s currently around 190 lbs, and ideally, he should get to the 210 range, similar to Quentin Grimes. Would be great if he can land to 220. That’s a big reason why he still looks small out there, and to me, it’s the most glaring area of his game that’s lagging behind. NBA has magic juice to make that happen.

Defensively, that lack of weight and strength is going to hurt him in 1v1 situations. The league allows a lot of physicality, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t yet have the frame to handle it. Right now, his defense resembles more of a Robert Covington type, average man to man defense at best with a tendency to gamble for deflections rather than contain.

On the other hand, his handle and jumper have clearly improved. If you charted his development from 2–4 years ago, you’d see a steady upward trend. As long as he keeps working on that trajectory, he’ll be fine. I could easily see him making another noticeable improvement by midseason.

That’s a lot of weight. What nba athlete has added 20-30lbs like that? Westbrook, rose, Wade, Anthony Edwards didnt even do that.

Based on my experience, once you become a dad, it’s easy to add 20-30lbs.

[Iscull]

Kinda worried if his explosivness would regress if he gain some weight. Its his best nba skill.

I’m more concerned that his frame might not allow him to add much mass. He has noticeably narrow shoulders, similar to how Nerlens Noel struggled to put on size.

If that turns out to be the case, there’ll be even more pressure on him to refine his ballhandling and shooting, skills that would shift him more toward the point guard end of the PG-SG spectrum rather than functioning more as a shooting guard.

Keep in mind, he's only 19 and likely still growing into his frame. Not saying he's going to be as big as Edwards, but I'd be shocked if he couldn't comfortably put on 10-15 pounds. I'm 6'5 and can tell you first hand putting on 10 pounds ain't hard lol