Pacers @ Sixers 1/21/08: 2PM Tip-Off!!

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #101 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:05 pm

He was never a star to begin with, and thank god Billy King managed that contract right.

Mik317 · Post #102 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:07 pm

dond wrote:I think the problem some of us have with Igoudala is that he appears to have been reading his press clippings and taking all the accolades to heart. Turning down the 57 million contract is certainly and indication of that. His effort level seems to have diminished lately, also. He now seems to just be going through the motions as though he is depressed now that he can't be a star and lead the team to the promised land. He is no longer satisfied to just do what he can to help the team as best he can ... with defense ... rebounding ... and occasional alley-oop dunk and a few 3-pt shots here and there. He is not a happy camper and will have to be moved ... the sooner the better, in my opinion.

so let me get this straight you rather have a guy who doesn't want to be the best he can be and get better and a guy who is okay with losing just because he's not a number one? right.

also WHO DA FECK IN THE LEAGUE THINKS THEY AREN"T GOOD?

dond · Post #103 » by **dond** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:08 pm

dbodner wrote:He was 3-12 today, and had many more shots per minute (12 shots in 24 minutes) compared to Iguodala (who had 16 shots in 40 minutes)

As well he should, he is a much better shooter than Igoudala.

When Igoudala is standing on the perimeter trying to be a playmaker, it means he is no longer available to his specialty ... the alley-oop dunk or the catch-and-shoot 3-pt shot from the corner. Igoudala should hardly ever touch the ball on offense except for those types of situations. He should just be moving constantly without the ball trying to get in a position for an alley-oop or a 3-pt shot .... nothing else ... unless a drive and dunk presents itself. He needs to STOP HANDLING THE BALL.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #104 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:08 pm

Not one game? It's ever since Thaddeus Young stepped onto the basketball court.

Post #105 » by **dbodner** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:10 pm

he appears to have been reading his press clippings and taking all the accolades to heart. Turning down the 57 million contract is certainly and indication of that

Or it could be that he realizes the economics of the NBA, and feels confident in his abilities and his improvement. I don't know, some people would call that kind of confidence a good thing, and not a "I'm a superstar and you're nothing" attitude.

His effort level seems to have diminished lately, also. He now seems to just be going through the motions as though he is depressed now that he can't be a star and lead the team to the promised land

Wow. your armchair psychology really is amazing. You really got all that? It couldn't just be that he's upset at losing?

He is no longer satisfied to just do what he can to help the team as best he can ... with defense ... rebounding ... and occasional alley-oop dunk and a few 3-pt shots here and there

Wait, does he still not defend and rebound? Am I missing something here?

Iguodala's averaging 15 shots per game, on a team with no offense. You act like he's some prima donna who needs to pad his stats, and isn't happy unless he's taking 25 shots per game.

15 shots.

He is not a happy camper and will have to be moved ... the sooner the better

Wow. Again, armchair psychology at its best. I guess we should want people who want to lose, so we can have one big happy family of .300 basketball.

Post #106 » by **dbodner** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:12 pm

As well he should, he is a much better shooter than Igoudala.

My head just friggin exploded. Willie Green stinks. Particularly when it's not a catch and shoot situation. And you think he should be getting MORE shots and MORE ballhandling abilities? The career 40%/32% shooter who doesn't get to the line, and has averaged 1.5 assists per game for his career.

I give up. I really wish mod's could use the ignore function.

Mik317 · Post #107 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:12 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:Not one game? It's ever since Thaddeus Young stepped onto the basketball court.

Oh i forgot that Thad is basketball Jesus.

I can't wait for 2 from now you guys are killing Thad for his flaws and saying that Joe Jones ( rOY candidate 10-11 season) is our future.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #108 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:13 pm

When a rookie outplays a 4 year man, there's a problem. We've been better with our reserves, then our starters. That's a problem.

Ganon19 · Post #109 » by **Ganon19** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:14 pm

I found this funny

Green -18
Young +18

Beastly

Mik317 · Post #110 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:15 pm

I agree that Thad should start...but god damn man get off his sack.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #111 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:15 pm

Why should I? He's been better then all of our swingmen thus far this year.

ankle420breaker · Post #112 » by **ankle420breaker** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:17 pm

dond wrote:I think the problem some of us have with Igoudala is that he appears to have been reading his press clippings and taking all the accolades to heart. Turning down the 57 million contract is certainly and indication of that. His effort level seems to have diminished lately, also. He now seems to just be going through the motions as though he is depressed now that he can't be a star and lead the team to the promised land. He is no longer satisfied to just do what he can to help the team as best he can ... with defense ... rebounding ... and occasional alley-oop dunk and a few 3-pt shots here and there. He is not a happy camper and will have to be moved ... the sooner the better, in my opinion.

Nowhere in your entire idiotic rant did you even come close to resembling a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber having read this. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

Mik317 · Post #113 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:17 pm

ooooooooo that's awfully hard to do....when you have beasts like Carney and Green.

dond · Post #114 » by **dond** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:17 pm

Knux-Future wrote:so let me get this straight

Well, let me help ...

Igoudala was pretty the best he could be 2 years ago. Deferring to his teammates who are more skilled than himself. He played in-your-face defense and hustled on both ends of the court. He was constantly moving on offense trying to get open for a 3-pt shot from the corner or an alley-oop to the basket. That guy was a terrific asset to the team.

That guy is gone. This new Igoudala is not worth as much. He makes too many mistakes, misses too many shots, and does not play as intensely as he used to. This new guy is not any thing particularly special. He is now just another "very athletic" guy with a lot of "potential" who is doing next to nothing for the team.

Oh, occasionally he has a spurt and does something spectacular and he is still very athletic and "looks" like a star but when things are all said and done, he just ain't cuttin' it.

Hope that clears it up.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #115 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:17 pm

I'm not an Iguodala hater, but here's how I see his future situation....

Young is the SF of the future for this team. He would need to bulk up a ton to play PF and he's not buil to play SG, so SF is clearly his position for immediate future.

That leaves Iguodala as this teams SG of the future and I really don't think that fits. A team has to have a SG who can shoot from the outside. Someone who can come off screen and hit the quick jump shot. Basically someone who can stretch the D. Iguodala isn't good at the 3 ball or the catch and shoot. He wants to try and create his own shot all the time when he gets the ball. That style really stalls the offense since it does not promote ball movement. If we had a SF like Peja/Rashard Lewis, this wouldn't be so bad, but 3 pt shooting isn't likely to be Thad's strength at SF

While I do like what Iguodala offers (a versatile player who's above average on D), I just don't see him as a "fit". When you are talking about committing 10-12 mil per season for 5-6 years, I think you have to make sure that player "fits". If we could move Andre in the offseason (S/T) and get a more traditional SG (someone in the Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen/Joe Johnson/Michael Redd/Mike Miller/Kevin Martin mold) I think that would make more sense for the future of this team.

So just to recap, it's not that I don't like Iguodala's game, it's that I don't think his strengths as a player are going to create the best situation for this teams future.

bebopdeluxe · Post #116 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:22 pm

GREAT post, Sixer Fixer (I think I have been saying that a lot lately). I don't think that I would change a single word.

Mik317 · Post #117 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:23 pm

dond wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, let me help ...

Igoudala was pretty the best he could be 2 years ago. Deferring to his teammates who are more skilled than himself. He played in-your-face defense and hustled on both ends of the court. He was constantly moving on offense trying to get open for a 3-pt shot from the corner or an alley-oop to the basket. That guy was a terrific asset to the team.

That guy is gone. This new Igoudala is not worth as much. He makes too many mistakes, misses too many shots, and does not play as intensely as he used to. This new guy is not any thing particularly special. He is now just another "very athletic" guy with a lot of "potential" who is doing next to nothing for the team.

Oh, occasionally he has a spurt and does something spectacular and he is still very athletic and "looks" like a star but when things are all said and done, he just ain't cuttin' it.

Hope that clears it up.

You know why that Igguodala is gone, you nba talent finding genious. because HIS TEAM HAS GOTTEN WORSE! he now has no guys that can spread the floor so thus that makes it harder for him to do what he's good at. Have you noticed that he palys better with guys like Lou and your beloved Thad on the floor. sorry to dissapoint you but it's not because Thad is using his godly basketball skills it's beacuse he now has guys that can take advantage of his talents. Iggy isn't Kobe reborn nor is he satan spawned, He is what he is a very good number 2 guy. GET that through your skulls.

Mik317 · Post #118 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:25 pm

Sixerfixer that is a good post. you don't randomly bash a guy for being in situation that doesn't ift him. good job.

dond · Post #119 » by **dond** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:26 pm

dbodner wrote:I really wish mod's could use the ignore function.

Well, maybe that could be looked into for the future. Maybe things could be set up so users could ignore moderators and moderators could ignore users. I would not object to that.

SendEm · Post #120 » by **SendEm** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:28 pm

I had a dream! That one day the posters on the Real GM Sixers forum would see Andre Iguodala as the flawed "star" poser that he is. Who would have ever thought that it would come on MLK day. A day dedicated to a man most famous for having a dream.