Sixers @ Hawks 2/4/08

[cx09]

rodney carney, perennial all-star, had a fantastic game...

only 1 airball by my count. he's gettin there!

[The Guilty Party]

Andre Miller seems to have a strong game which is good since the Hawks may be a team interested in him.

[JoshB914]

Interestingly, this team may make the Hawks make a move for Miller. And also be the clincher for them matching any offer Phili makes for Smith this summer.

[76erinSJ]

Wow444, thanku. Your are now my best friend. Im happy to see other team forums can see how annoying he is. Anyway, Josh Smith is the type of PF this league is transfering into. There arent many back to the basket players anymore. Smith looked great out there tonight and I think he will make a Allstar team as a reserve once or twice in his career. Hopefully this game will showcase Miller to the Hawks and they will make a trade for him. We have no need for him right now and need to get the most for him. Dala had a bad good game. 22 ON 8 OF 19 shootin, 7 rebs, 4 dimes, 3 steals and only 1 to. Green needs to go for whatever we can get for him. He wouldnt be bad off the bench as the 7 or 8th guy but he is not a starter on any team in this league. I wonder if Detroit would trade Herrmann and Hunter ( both expirings ) for Booth and Green and the Utah 1st? Works under the cap.

[freshie2]

I can't kill Send Em on his Smith comments, but also can't go to that much of an extreme.

Smith is not your traditional low post presence PF that most seem to feel the Sixers need...Gasol's type of back to the basket game and versatility is the style of play that would appear to be a perfect fit. Smith does not shoot a high percentage and is more perimeter based, which doesn't really address the Sixers need for a post presence.

That being said, he's just 22, 6'9" with a ton of athleticism. Can he develop more of a low post game? Can he improve his shooting percentage? Can he be a solid on the ball defender against bigger PFs? All questions that need to be considered if the Sixers do in fact pursue him in the off season.

I can't kill the franchise if they go hard after Smith and create a startign 5 of Miller/Iguodala/Young/Smith/Sam next season. Say they draft a big man like Lopez or Thabeet, now there is a more solid backup (than Boothe) to Sam on the bench which helps to strengthen the bench and the post. If that is how things end up next season, it still is an upgrade over where this franchise currently lies, and it woudl be exciting to watch.

Smith had a great game last night, but he does have limitations. I don't know that he's the perfect fit here as a PF, but they still would have to consider him if he's interested in coming to town.

[SendEm]

People who want Josh Smith on the Sixers are the kinds of people who JUST want an entertaining team to watch. They don't care much about winning a championship. It's immaterial to them that Josh Smith doesn't offer the boards and high percentage scoring that a PF should offer. They just say "Well he's freakishly athletic. He's about as tall as a PF, and he blocks more shots than a center. The sky's the limit!" Josh Smith can't play PF just because he can average over 3 blocks per game. When his offensive skill set/rebounding reaches that of an Antwan Jamison or Shawn Merion then maybe he could seriously be considered a legit PF option. I never see him reaching that level because those players were ALWAYS talented offensively with double digit boarding ability.

[tk76]

Entertaining would be a positive step...

[conleyorbust]

To correct the Hawk's record in games where Chil doesn't play: 5-1 with him out this season... he came back for one game during the stretch where he was injured and we lost that one. Chil is a solid player though, as you saw tonigth, he gets most of his baskets off of other guys moves.

As far as Smith goes, I think we are happier with him than the 'Cats are with Oka. He doesn't shoot a great % but that is partially because we use him in a strange way. Our coach has a strange affinity for clearouts and isos and the only two guys that can get inside and draw the defense for kickouts are Johnson and Smith so we have Smith out on the perimeter a lot which leads to him taking dumb jumpers. If you don't think his impact on D is huge you probably didn't watch the game tonight. His post game is developing, he was going into the post against the sixers and drawing doubles which accounted for a few of those 9 assists.

Anyway, I'm curious to see what the Sixers do this offseason. I would be terrified if yall could land an inside/outside threat like Brand (or even Jamison) and then get Rose in the draft.

Rose-Iggy-Thad-Brand-Dalembert... Lou in the Barbosa role... thats a nasty team if Thad can develop into a solid perimeter scorer. Would be the best defensive team in the NBA.

Anyway good luck on the season, whether its trying to make to playoffs or trying to land the most ping pong balls.

[Grenerd686]

After looking at the boxscore of the just about every game this year and everytime I notice a category of BA what is that?

[Sixersftw]

blocks against or blocked attempts not sure which one. it's how many times you got blocked.

[SendEm]

Josh Smith guarded the likes of Thad Young and Reggie Evans. Let's not lose focus of what happened on the court. He blocked the shots of players smaller than himself. The Sixers are in need of a PF even more than the Atlanta Hawks. Josh Smith's game last night was an example of how he could play if the other team has no interior scorers nor perimeter players that can attack the basket off of the dribble in the half court and finish with authority.

Josh Smith's performance wasn't impressive, it was the Sixers team's performance that was embarrassing. Other teams power forwards NORMALLY have absolutely phenomenal performances against the Hawks. Josh Smith provides absolutely no resistance to any PF/C with talent.

Chris Bosh 12-18 35 points
Amare Stoudemire 10-11 24 points
Shawn Merion 7-8 19 points
Chris Wilcox 7-9 18 points
D. Granger 10-15 32points
Boozer 15-24 39points

All against the defense of Atlanta's PF and C...

[Mik317]

HOLY **** AT boozer..............I agree with you sendem.....sort of Josh Smith is a improvement over Evans and right now that's all we should be worrying about PLUS we play in the east a place where there are like two great bigmen any way but I see your point.

[conleyorbust]

Josh Smith guarded the likes of Thad Young and Reggie Evans. Let's not lose focus of what happened on the court. He blocked the shots of players smaller than himself. The Sixers are in need of a PF even more than the Atlanta Hawks. Josh Smith's game last night was an example of how he could play if the other team has no interior scorers nor perimeter players that can attack the basket off of the dribble in the half court and finish with authority.

Josh Smith's performance wasn't impressive, it was the Sixers team's performance that was embarrassing. Other teams power forwards NORMALLY have absolutely phenomenal performances against the Hawks. Josh Smith provides absolutely no resistance to any PF/C with talent.

Chris Bosh 12-18 35 points
Amare Stoudemire 10-11 24 points
Shawn Merion 7-8 19 points
Chris Wilcox 7-9 18 points
D. Granger 10-15 32points
Boozer 15-24 39points

All against the defense of Atlanta's PF and C...

Another way to look at it is, "Tim Duncan gets lit up by opposing PFs and Cs"

Yao 7-10 21 pts
David West 15-19 32 pts
Mark Blount 10-17 23 pts
Okafor 10-14 21 pts
Howard 14-19 34 pts
Curry 10-12 25 pts
AK47 9-10 23 pts

Tim Duncan offers no resistance against any forward or center with any skill.

Thats not true but taking selective games that you didn't watch makes you think it is.

[SendEm]

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Another way to look at it is, "Tim Duncan gets lit up by opposing PFs and Cs"

Yao 7-10 21 pts
David West 15-19 32 pts
Mark Blount 10-17 23 pts
Okafor 10-14 21 pts
Howard 14-19 34 pts
Curry 10-12 25 pts
AK47 9-10 23 pts

Tim Duncan offers no resistance against any forward or center with any skill.

Thats not true but taking selective games that you didn't watch makes you think it is.

The difference is that we already know that Tim Duncan's team more than likely came out on the winning side of the game and Tim Duncan more than likely was the reason for it. A few of those games that I posted Josh Smith played absolutely horribly and Atlanta got blown off the court.

[tontoz]

Chris Bosh 12-18 35 points
Amare Stoudemire 10-11 24 points
Shawn Merion 7-8 19 points
Chris Wilcox 7-9 18 points
D. Granger 10-15 32points
Boozer 15-24 39points

All against the defense of Atlanta's PF and C...

Most of that was against Horford. The Boozer game was ugly. Horford got lit up.

For some reason our coach plays Horford against the big scoring post players even though Smith did a good job on the same guys last year. I guess he wants Smith to be free to help out when other guys get beat.

Marvin plays the 3 and was on Granger.

Last year Smith guarded all those guys. Last season only 2 power forwards in the league (playing at least 2 games against the Hawks) exceeded their average by more than 2 ppg against Smith. They were Duncan and Dirk.

Boozer only played one game against us last year and had only 13 pts i believe.

The Hawks defense currently gives up 6.6 fewer ppg when Smith is playing.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07ATL9D.HTM

The Hawks currently rank 8th in the league in defensive efficiency and Smith is the main reason why.

[SendEm]

The scariest part about Smith is that his horrible jump shot isn't improving even though he has been said to have been working on it. His career field goal percentage is .438%. His field goal percentage for this season is .438%. It can't improve even a thousandth of a percentage point in his fourth NBA season?

[tontoz]

The scariest part about Smith is that his horrible jump shot isn't improving even though he has been said to have been working on it. His career field goal percentage is .438%. His field goal percentage for this season is .438%. It can't improve even a thousandth of a percentage point in his fourth NBA season?

Here are Smith's monthly shooting percentages:

November 37.4%
December 44.4%
January 47.5%
February 59.3%

See any patterns here?

[noone]

The scariest part about Smith is that his horrible jump shot isn't improving even though he has been said to have been working on it. His career field goal percentage is .438%. His field goal percentage for this season is .438%. It can't improve even a thousandth of a percentage point in his fourth NBA season?

After one argument goes down the drain, we change the subject.

[SendEm]

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Here are Smith's monthly shooting percentages:

November 37.4%
December 44.4%
January 47.5%
February 59.3%

See any patterns here?

His shooting percentage this season is the same EXACT number as his shooting percentage for his whole entire career .438%

Correction, his stats have changed. His field goal percentage this season is .440 and .439 for his career.

[tontoz]

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His shooting percentage this season is the same EXACT number as his shooting percentage for his whole entire career .438%

Correction, his stats have changed. His field goal percentage this season is .440 and .439 for his career.

This season isn't over yet genius, and he is averaging 18 ppg which is his high for his career.

Smiths PER is 4th in the league among power forwards, behind only Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer.

Smith also gets to the ft line so his true shooting percentage of 51.1% is better than Sheed (50.9%) and only slightly behind David West (52.4%).