Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[sixers4real]

Can you expand further on what aspects of a PG you're looking for?

Do you see Maxey as a potential starting PG of the Sixers starting this year?
I do. I want that to happen, because no trade can be made to put us in the same tier as Nets for the upcoming season. So I’d better play Maxey as a starter now, give him the ball a lot, so he can be a real contributor on a potential 2023-24-25 title contending team.

You could argue the Sixers won't beat the Nets until KD and Co move on or retire. If you agree with that whats the point of being a 2nd round exit which can never win a title.

Blow it...Trade Embiid and Simmons and reload for 2025+.

That’s exactly the opposite of what I’ve said.
1. Yes, I don’t believe any team is beating a healthy Nets team or Lakers team this year.
2. Both this teams are aging led players star teams.
3. You never know what’s on Kyrie, KD and Harden mind, maybe they Will want to finish career separately after 2-3 years together.

So, my point is, try to get the best value for Simmons (picks, swaps) and develop Maxey. Once a star becomes available (Ingram or Beal or some other) you trade picks swaps for a star player.

And I do believe our best of winning a title is 2023-25. I do. Embiid 29-31 age. Prime. I think he’ll decline fast after 31. We all know his injury story.

[Tomjas]

$8.2 million TPE expires tomorrow

[Stanford]

$8.2 million TPE expires tomorrow

I bet they let it expire

[BNelley24]

$8.2 million TPE expires tomorrow

I bet they let it expire

Agreed, I don’t see how they can make an efficient trade until they know what the team looks like post-Simmons

[beb0p]

I think Ben Simmons has traumatized people into thinking that not-great shooters are useless in the halfcourt when it's really just Ben SImmons.

Exactly. So many fans don't fundamentally understand the game of basketball. In the most simple explanation, scoring is about shaking your defender and getting a clean look (whether getting all the way to the rim for a dunk/layup or generating an uncontested jumpshot for yourself).

Ben Simmons #1 problem has always been that he can't score off the dribble. The shooting thing is only accented because it means he's useless both on and off the ball.

Nobody would utter a single complaint if he was DeMar Derozan offensively. He'd be among the best players in the NBA if that were the case, when combined with his elite defense. He'd be a 6'10" Dwayne Wade.

Fox had a fg % of .482 from 10-16 ft and .362 from three last year. Career wise he is .408 from that distance with previous years of 10-16 feet being .336, .392, and .391

That's pretty bad except for last year. So I guess we'll see if he actually made growth there.

His 3-10 ft. Fg% is .398 for his career and .426 for last year. At the rim he was good.

He lives off transition and has made some improvement in the half court. I'd say at this point he's about average. He's not an ideal fit next to Jo as he still does not effectively spread the floor. Better than Ben, but the bar there is pretty low.

If we get Fox we have to get rid of Tobi.

Any response to Zion and Simmons? I don't see the Pels doing that deal.

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I don't understand this Fox debate - he is not on the table. Kings are not going to trade him for Simmons, period. No disrespect to Simmons, but the only player on the Sixers who would entice the Kings to trade Fox is Embiid. I'm not saying we should do a Fox/Embiid swap, I'm saying this is how highly valued Fox is to the Kings.

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[Mik317]

People whine about Embiid's injury history and then go "oh the Nets are unbeatable" in the same sentence lol.

While yes, it would be great to build the greatest team of all time and just steamroll through dudes...just being in the final 4-6 teams means you are close as hell to a chip. NO one had the finals being Bucks V Suns prior to the season. The Bucks were frauds and all they did was "make a bad panic trade for Jrue". The Suns were a plucky young team just happy to make the playoffs and CP3's old ass would help that. **** even our fraud asses weren't expected to be the number one seed...it sadly caught up with us but still the fact that we even had hope shows that things can change on a dime. So all of this talk of quitting and blowing it up is premature IMO. Embiid is going to be dinged up come playoff time. Thats just the nature of the beast (although IMO both his injuries were freak accidents rather than normal wear and tear...both times he got hurt it was due to him being pushed in the air....cut those out and maybe he will be slightly less nabged up lol) but even on one leg he put up 30/12. Simply fixing the bench and giving him a second option that isn;'t the same style of play as him...and we could survive a lot with Gimpy Biid IMO. If Healthy, yeah the Nets are a tough out. However, Kyrie is injury prone and prone to fits of fancy to go AWOL. What KD is doing is nuts but he played a lot of basketball on a repaired Achilles. Harden is on the wrong side of 30 and the iron man days and lots of minutes have begun to catch up...and their supporting cast is meh IMO. Jeff Green was big for them...and he's gone. Its not a done deal and honestly, if we face them and get bodied, it would suck but its not losing to the Hawks suck lol.

The point being, we might have stagnated a bit but we are still levels above the Iggy era stagnation because we have Joel Embiid.....even if he gets hurt and is gimpy...thats a pretty dominant player to have. There are faaaar worse fates

[76ciology]

I hope my dream trade of Sexton, Love and unprotected cavs pick becomes true.

[Sportfan73]

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I hope my dream trade of Sexton, Love and unprotected cavs pick becomes true.

Starting to seem like it will honestly. We better get more than 1 pick and more than 1 swap though. Then we have a year to evaluate sexton before deciding on paying him, and worse case scenario we get a sign and trade for another asset, a pick, or a massive exception next offseason. I think he could break out though

[cedric76]

Barnes +hield + future 1sts for Simmons?

I think this trade would do well for your 2 teams

[Tomjas]

Barnes +hield + future 1sts for Simmons?

I think this trade would do well for your 2 teams

We have Tobias so don’t need Barnes

We have Green & Curry so don’t need Hield

Pretty much the only thing of interest are the picks

[phillynative]

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I hope my dream trade of Sexton, Love and unprotected cavs pick becomes true.

Starting to seem like it will honestly. We better get more than 1 pick and more than 1 swap though. Then we have a year to evaluate sexton before deciding on paying him, and worse case scenario we get a sign and trade for another asset, a pick, or a massive exception next offseason. I think he could break out though

So we will not get a wing defender or playmaker back

[Kobblehead]

At this point, I'll take the Kings deal if they include Haliburton. We can use Buddy. We can flip Barnes. Haliburton can be a stud role playing starter for us.

[Sportfan73]

At this point, I'll take the Kings deal if they include Haliburton. We can use Buddy. We can flip Barnes. Haliburton can be a stud role playing starter for us.

I would 100 percent as well, if only because he would fit with any star we acquired and would fit well with Maxey if he took a huge step. Doesn’t sound like they will though

[Sixersftw]

At this point, I'll take the Kings deal if they include Haliburton. We can use Buddy. We can flip Barnes. Haliburton can be a stud role playing starter for us.

If the basis is Hali and picks, sign me up. We'd still be ~ the 3rd best team in the conference with a punchers chance if everything goes right. Flip some assets for the next star on the move and you're in business.

[spikeslovechild]

My views remain unchanged.

If Morey lowers his asking price I am done with him. We are not getting better by trading Simmons for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of him and we will not be able to move those pieces later for a superstar to pair with Embiid. That is essentially the mistake the Cavs made by trading Irving rather then calling his bluff.

In this case Simmons doesn't even have surgery to hold over our heads. Get good value for him or don't move him. We all know what we were talking about trading him for before this blowup with management we should continue to demand what we demand if Simmons wants to tank his value then there is nothing else we can do but hold onto him.

[sixers4real]

So quite over the last couple of days.
Calm before storm, I guess.

[sixers4real]

My views remain unchanged.

If Morey lowers his asking price I am done with him. We are not getting better by trading Simmons for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of him and we will not be able to move those pieces later for a superstar to pair with Embiid. That is essentially the mistake the Cavs made by trading Irving rather then calling his bluff.

In this case Simmons doesn't even have surgery to hold over our heads. Get good value for him or don't move him. We all know what we were talking about trading him for before this blowup with management we should continue to demand what we demand if Simmons wants to tank his value then there is nothing else we can do but hold onto him.

Totally agree. I don’t think Morey will trade him until he finds a good offer

[Kobblehead]

My views remain unchanged.

If Morey lowers his asking price I am done with him. We are not getting better by trading Simmons for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of him and we will not be able to move those pieces later for a superstar to pair with Embiid. That is essentially the mistake the Cavs made by trading Irving rather then calling his bluff.

In this case Simmons doesn't even have surgery to hold over our heads. Get good value for him or don't move him. We all know what we were talking about trading him for before this blowup with management we should continue to demand what we demand if Simmons wants to tank his value then there is nothing else we can do but hold onto him.

I'd gladly "lose" the Ben Simmons trade if it means we win on the court.

"Pennies on the dollar" is actually an acurate description of the postseason value we get out of the Ben Simmons investment. So at this point, who cares if we "lose" the trade from a value perspective. Value doesn't mean crap in the NBA and is constantly in flux. Let's just worry about winning on the court.

[phillynative]

From Damian Lillard to Collin Sexton lol

[Sportfan73]

From Damian Lillard to Collin Sexton lol

It’s not necessarily that. It’s sexton, Rubio,+2 unprotected firsts and 2 swaps or Beasley and McDaniels and those picks. That’s it for me. I would rather take the shot on Sexton plus the picks than the wolves **** package. Everyone talks about how the cavs have no shooting and adding Ben would be rough for them and their offense, well sexton just averaged 24 a game at 21 years old with that same terrible spacing, and not on like monte Ellis 42 percent from the field, he shot 48 from the field and 38 from 3