The Tomjas Thread

[kuclas]

Fairly obvious any team would be interested in Simmons as long as they don’t have to give up any of their core pieces.

With exception of maybe Portland (CJ being a core piece). But that’s only because they have norm Powell who overlaps most of what CJ already does.

That problem for other teams fans who just trade Simmons for role players and future picks is sixers are not in a rebuilding or tanking situation And Simmons in long term contract.

Never in the history of nba trades that’s i know of has a team been forced by a player (or his agent) to trade him involving a player of Simmons age (25) long term contract (4 years) on a competing team coming off a 1 seed. Never.

Most teams would trade one of their core disgruntled players either have them less than 2 years left in contract or in rebuilding mode.

[Tomjas]

Fairly obvious any team would be interested in Simmons as long as they don’t have to give up any of their core pieces.

With exception of maybe Portland (CJ being a core piece). But that’s only because they have norm Powell who overlaps most of what CJ already does.

That problem for other teams fans who just trade Simmons for role players and future picks is sixers are not in a rebuilding or tanking situation And Simmons in long term contract.

Never in the history of nba trades that’s i know of has a team been forced by a player (or his agent) to trade him involving a player of Simmons age (25) long term contract (4 years) on a competing team coming off a 1 seed. Never.

Most teams would trade one of their core disgruntled players either have them less than 2 years left in contract or in rebuilding mode.

And?

[flaco]

Boston obviously needs to do something but things must be pretty toxic if Brown is actually on the market

Smart and other pieces I would understand

Where did you see Brown being on the market?

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

[BNelley24]

This is why holding out for the right deal has been the right move....Celtics off to a rough start, dysfunctional. Suddenly they're a team that could look to retool and get rid of a corner piece. More players will continue to become available the longer we wait. I have a really tough time adding Maxey or Thybulle to any deal if I'm Morey. Tisses incredible defense and Maxeys high potential are very hard to give up on.

[Wilfried]

Boston obviously needs to do something but things must be pretty toxic if Brown is actually on the market

Smart and other pieces I would understand

Where did you see Brown being on the market?

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

if so, the question would be: Was that the smartest decision?

[DCasey91]

Tomjas confirmed Ben’s agent, surely daft isn’t the description is it？

[flaco]

Where did you see Brown being on the market?

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

if so, the question would be: Was that the smartest decision?

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Celtics consider him a building block going forward.

At the time, I didn't want us to trade Brown for a 1-year rental of AD. I didn't want us to trade Brown for Harden either (although I have second thoughts on that). I don't remember what I was thinking regarding a possible 1-year rental of Kawhi. Brown was very raw at the time. I may have pulled the trigger.

Jury is still out on our decision to hold onto Brown. If we can somehow put a 3rd young star alongside him and Tatum, it may prove to be the correct decision. If not and we fail to win a ring in the foreseeable future, it may have been a wrong decision. Three names come to mind: Simmons, Siakam, Beal (him and Tatum grew up together in St Louis. They are close friends to this day). I don't expect us to land Simmons, but we might have a good shot with the other 2.

[youngcrev]

Boston obviously needs to do something but things must be pretty toxic if Brown is actually on the market

Smart and other pieces I would understand

Where did you see Brown being on the market?

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

Based on Stevens' first trade, I don't think he's as unreasonable as Ainge.

[Wilfried]

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

if so, the question would be: Was that the smartest decision?

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Celtics consider him a building block going forward.

At the time, I didn't want us to trade Brown for a 1-year rental of AD. I didn't want us to trade Brown for Harden either (although I have second thoughts on that). I don't remember what I was thinking regarding a possible 1-year rental of Kawhi. Brown was very raw at the time. I may have pulled the trigger.

Jury is still out on our decision to hold onto to Brown. If we can somehow put a 3rd young star alongside him and Tatum, it may prove to be the correct decision. If not and we fail to win a ring in the foreseeable future, it may have been a wrong decision. Three names come to mind: Simmons, Siakam, Beal (him and Tatum grew up together in St Louis. They are close friends to this day). I don't expect us to land Simmons, but we might have a good shot with the other 2.

You know that, if Beal comes available, we offer Ben Simmons.
What are the Celtics offering (they won't want to break up Brown/Tatum according to you, which is strange given their track record without Kemba/Rozier at the pg)? Smart + ... ?

Celtics are delussional if they think you can add a 3rd star by giving Smart + ... (I don't know which NBA calibre player is also on that roster besides Tatum and Brown who are apparently untouchable).

The warchest of assets is long gone. There's no room under the cap and Tatum/Brown aren't showing the team is just 1 piece away.

[Wilfried]

I would argue he's close to untouchable. If the past is any indication, the Celtics refused to make him available in trade talks for Kawhi, AD and Harden.

if so, the question would be: Was that the smartest decision?

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Celtics consider him a building block going forward.

It does matter, because maybe new GM doesn't view Brown the same way as the former GM?

[flaco]

if so, the question would be: Was that the smartest decision?

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Celtics consider him a building block going forward.

At the time, I didn't want us to trade Brown for a 1-year rental of AD. I didn't want us to trade Brown for Harden either (although I have second thoughts on that). I don't remember what I was thinking regarding a possible 1-year rental of Kawhi. Brown was very raw at the time. I may have pulled the trigger.

Jury is still out on our decision to hold onto to Brown. If we can somehow put a 3rd young star alongside him and Tatum, it may prove to be the correct decision. If not and we fail to win a ring in the foreseeable future, it may have been a wrong decision. Three names come to mind: Simmons, Siakam, Beal (him and Tatum grew up together in St Louis. They are close friends to this day). I don't expect us to land Simmons, but we might have a good shot with the other 2.

You know that, if Beal comes available, we offer Ben Simmons.
What are the Celtics offering (they won't want to break up Brown/Tatum according to you, which is strange given their track record without Kemba/Rozier at the pg)? Smart + ... ?

Celtics are delussional if they think you can add a 3rd star.
The warchest of assets is long gone. There's no room under the cap and Tatum/Brown aren't showing the team is just 1 piece away.

We can win the bidding war only if he wants to team up with Tatum. Players have huge power nowadays. Tatum is on record as saying they regularly talk about playing together. Again, they grew up together and they are very close friends. Fwiw, we got all our future firsts intact. Beal is about to hit free agency in a few months. The hope is he'll force a sign-and-trade to the Celtics. Realistically, this is our only chance.

[Wilfried]

It doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Celtics consider him a building block going forward.

At the time, I didn't want us to trade Brown for a 1-year rental of AD. I didn't want us to trade Brown for Harden either (although I have second thoughts on that). I don't remember what I was thinking regarding a possible 1-year rental of Kawhi. Brown was very raw at the time. I may have pulled the trigger.

Jury is still out on our decision to hold onto to Brown. If we can somehow put a 3rd young star alongside him and Tatum, it may prove to be the correct decision. If not and we fail to win a ring in the foreseeable future, it may have been a wrong decision. Three names come to mind: Simmons, Siakam, Beal (him and Tatum grew up together in St Louis. They are close friends to this day). I don't expect us to land Simmons, but we might have a good shot with the other 2.

You know that, if Beal comes available, we offer Ben Simmons.
What are the Celtics offering (they won't want to break up Brown/Tatum according to you, which is strange given their track record without Kemba/Rozier at the pg)? Smart + ... ?

Celtics are delussional if they think you can add a 3rd star.
The warchest of assets is long gone. There's no room under the cap and Tatum/Brown aren't showing the team is just 1 piece away.

We can win the bidding war only if he wants to team up with Tatum. Players have huge power nowadays. Tatum is on record as saying they regularly talk about playing together. Again, they are very close friends. Fwiw, we got all our future firsts intact. Beal is about to hit free agency in a few months. The hope is he'll force a sign-and-trade to the Celtics. Realistically, this is our only chance.

Does Beal has a no-trade clause?

[flaco]

You know that, if Beal comes available, we offer Ben Simmons.
What are the Celtics offering (they won't want to break up Brown/Tatum according to you, which is strange given their track record without Kemba/Rozier at the pg)? Smart + ... ?

Celtics are delussional if they think you can add a 3rd star.
The warchest of assets is long gone. There's no room under the cap and Tatum/Brown aren't showing the team is just 1 piece away.

We can win the bidding war only if he wants to team up with Tatum. Players have huge power nowadays. Tatum is on record as saying they regularly talk about playing together. Again, they are very close friends. Fwiw, we got all our future firsts intact. Beal is about to hit free agency in a few months. The hope is he'll force a sign-and-trade to the Celtics. Realistically, this is our only chance.

Does Beal has a no-trade clause?

He has a player option for next season. He's expected to opt out and become an unrestricted free agent. If he decides to leave (which is a big if), the Wizards have 2 options: either they sign-and-trade him to his favourite destination or they lose him for nothing.

[Kolkmania]

It's enjoyable to see the friction within the Celtics locker room, but there's no way they make Brown available. I am not saying they shouldn't (Brown and Tatum has too many overlapping skills), but given their history they've always been conservative with their top assets.

The Wolves have lost 5 in a row, resulting in a 3-6 record after starting on a high note. They need a shake-up badly and the fit between Towns and Simmons remains intriguing.

I still think that the best way to utilize Embiid is surrounding him with shooters with a quick trigger. Russell remains a buy-low candidate for me. If you prevent him from playing hero-ball and make him move off the ball and attack close-outs, I think he can become a catalyst in an efficient offense.

Since his perceived is relatively low, I think we would be able to some really decent assets in a potential trade as well.
PHI: Simmons + Milton
MIN: Russell + McDaniels + 2023 1st round pick (top 5 protected)

Perhaps sneak Beasley into this trade as well, but I haven't seen enough of him to value his defense. That should certainly be a priority with Russell's deficiencies.

[Wilfried]

We can win the bidding war only if he wants to team up with Tatum. Players have huge power nowadays. Tatum is on record as saying they regularly talk about playing together. Again, they are very close friends. Fwiw, we got all our future firsts intact. Beal is about to hit free agency in a few months. The hope is he'll force a sign-and-trade to the Celtics. Realistically, this is our only chance.

Does Beal has a no-trade clause?

He has a player option for next season. He's expected to opt out and become an unrestricted free agent. If he decides to leave (which is a big if), the Wizards have 2 options: either they sign-and-trade him to his favourite destination or they lose him for nothing.

Than you are talking about next summer already
And hoping that Beal desperately wants to play with Tatum, but a lot of players are good friends (Tatum and Embiid apparently) but that doesn't mean they are all going to play together.

And to be honest, if Brown and Tatum have difficulties playing together and maximize their talents, what would adding Beal do to solve that? They all need the ball and want to create for themselves.

[GutUNC]

It's enjoyable to see the friction within the Celtics locker room, but there's no way they make Brown available. I am not saying they shouldn't (Brown and Tatum has too many overlapping skills), but given their history they've always been conservative with their top assets.

The Wolves have lost 5 in a row, resulting in a 3-6 record after starting on a high note. They need a shake-up badly and the fit between Towns and Simmons remains intriguing.

I still think that the best way to utilize Embiid is surrounding him with shooters with a quick trigger. Russell remains a buy-low candidate for me. If you prevent him from playing hero-ball and make him move off the ball and attack close-outs, I think he can become a catalyst in an efficient offense.

Since his perceived is relatively low, I think we would be able to some really decent assets in a potential trade as well.
PHI: Simmons + Milton
MIN: Russell + McDaniels + 2023 1st round pick (top 5 protected)

Perhaps sneak Beasley into this trade as well, but I haven't seen enough of him to value his defense. That should certainly be a priority with Russell's deficiencies.

Russell and his contract are a less efficient Tobias Harris, but smaller and even worse defensively. Simmons (plus a player) for a negative value contract, a struggling young player and a protected 1st is worse then the Smart++ suggestion.

[Wilfried]

The Wolves are the most logical destination for Simmons, given his fit with Towns and the fact he gets isolated far away where no fan base will bother him

But they have nothing the Sixers can entice. Therefor a third and maybe fourth team need to be found.

[flaco]

Does Beal has a no-trade clause?

He has a player option for next season. He's expected to opt out and become an unrestricted free agent. If he decides to leave (which is a big if), the Wizards have 2 options: either they sign-and-trade him to his favourite destination or they lose him for nothing.

Than you are talking about next summer already
And hoping that Beal desperately wants to play with Tatum, but a lot of players are good friends (Tatum and Embiid apparently) but that doesn't mean they are all going to play together.

And to be honest, if Brown and Tatum have difficulties playing together and maximize their talents, what would adding Beal do to solve that? They all need the ball and want to create for themselves.

Doesn't have to be next summer. It can happen at the trade deadline as well, provided that Beal demands to be traded or/and informs the Wizards he plans to walk in 2022.

Tatum and Brown don't have difficulties playing together. Tatum is at his best when playing at PF. Traditional PFs aren't mobile enough to stay in front of him on the perimeter. This is a massive advantage in favour of Tatum, especially since he can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. Likewise, Brown is at his best when playing at SG. He's mobile enough to stay in front of guards on defense. At the same time, he's tall/long enough to shoot over opposing SGs or take them to the basket. If anything, I'd argue Brown is a tiny bit undersized (6'6'') to play at SF. For the record, the Celtics have made 2 trips to the Eastern Conference Finals in the 4 years Tatum and Brown are playing together. You could even argue we are 2 out of 3 cause Brown missed the playoffs entirely last season due to a wrist injury.

Agreed that Beal wouldn't be an ideal fit alongside Tatum and Brown. That said, if you can add Beal, you just do it and you figure out the supporting cast later. Funny thing is, Simmons would be a better fit alongside Tatum and Beal compared to Brown.

[Kolkmania]

It's enjoyable to see the friction within the Celtics locker room, but there's no way they make Brown available. I am not saying they shouldn't (Brown and Tatum has too many overlapping skills), but given their history they've always been conservative with their top assets.

The Wolves have lost 5 in a row, resulting in a 3-6 record after starting on a high note. They need a shake-up badly and the fit between Towns and Simmons remains intriguing.

I still think that the best way to utilize Embiid is surrounding him with shooters with a quick trigger. Russell remains a buy-low candidate for me. If you prevent him from playing hero-ball and make him move off the ball and attack close-outs, I think he can become a catalyst in an efficient offense.

Since his perceived is relatively low, I think we would be able to some really decent assets in a potential trade as well.
PHI: Simmons + Milton
MIN: Russell + McDaniels + 2023 1st round pick (top 5 protected)

Perhaps sneak Beasley into this trade as well, but I haven't seen enough of him to value his defense. That should certainly be a priority with Russell's deficiencies.

Russell and his contract are a less efficient Tobias Harris, but smaller and even worse defensively. Simmons (plus a player) for a negative value contract, a struggling young player and a protected 1st is worse then the Smart++ suggestion.

Except Harris doesn't shoot and can't create offense for himself at the perimeter, so basically they're nothing alike.

I am not sure whether Russell can help us (perhaps I just see him on his good days), but I would certainly try to acquire a high volume shot creator instead of another defensive specialist. It probably has to be a more high-risk/high-upside player, instead of Jaylen Brown, Zach Lavine, etc.

What I do know of Russell-esque players is that people always point out their deficiencies (efficiency, defense) until they make another step and suddenly they're way too valuable to acquire.

[GutUNC]

The Wolves are the most logical destination for Simmons, given his fit with Towns and the fact he gets isolated far away where no fan base will bother him

But they have nothing the Sixers can entice. Therefor a third and maybe fourth team need to be found.

No one else wants their expendable pieces either though.