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Post#1001 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:44 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:I don't believe there's a racial bias. Nerds are merely chasing the numbers. And all the numbers of these stupid formulas say Jokic is the GOAT.

Simple solution would be to stop giving votes to nerds. Have the MVP voters be coaches and players.


People take MVP too seriously, having a big number of voters was supposed to diminish random votes for players on local teams or narrative stuff. It's what its.


No, that has little relevance, the problem is that Embiid takes MVP too seriously. Thus, if he wins it this year, he will care less next year, and so will try less in the next RS and will be fresher for playoffs.
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Post#1002 » by M2J » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:51 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:I don't believe there's a racial bias. Nerds are merely chasing the numbers. And all the numbers of these stupid formulas say Jokic is the GOAT.

Simple solution would be to stop giving votes to nerds. Have the MVP voters be coaches and players.



Why? coaches don't care, have you see how they vote for all stars?

People take MVP too seriously, having a big number of voters was supposed to diminish random votes for players on local teams or narrative stuff. It's what its.

Jokic is a generational player and Embiid is too. People take this stuff like it's life or death and both are gonna be HOF players anyway.


It's not taking that seriously in other leagues for instance. MLB gives out to a year and pitchers get their own version of it. It's only going to one position in the NFL, which diminishes it some.

However the NBA MVP awards traditionally go to true all-time greats, and provides a lot of historical merit on who reconsider the greatest of all time. NBA is special in that the greatest players list consist of all positions.

Historically of course players like LeBron and Jordan and Kobe and Shaq should have more. But you go up and down that list and essentially besides Steve Nash we're talking about the greats of the greats. Jokic getting three in a row will be a joke. I think this statistical phenomena that he is definitely deserved at least one. I don't think Joel Embiid should have been a three in a row MVP either. Players with multiple MVPs are guys like magic and bird and Duncan and Jordan.... Guys with championship rings. Jokic being a center that can't rim protect, may prevent him from winning a championship even if he does join another elite player.
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Post#1003 » by Murray_17 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:26 am

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It's not taking that seriously in other leagues for instance. MLB gives out to a year and pitchers get their own version of it. It's only going to one position in the NFL, which diminishes it some.

However the NBA MVP awards traditionally go to true all-time greats, and provides a lot of historical merit on who reconsider the greatest of all time. NBA is special in that the greatest players list consist of all positions.

Historically of course players like LeBron and Jordan and Kobe and Shaq should have more. But you go up and down that list and essentially besides Steve Nash we're talking about the greats of the greats. Jokic getting three in a row will be a joke. I think this statistical phenomena that he is definitely deserved at least one. I don't think Joel Embiid should have been a three in a row MVP either. Players with multiple MVPs are guys like magic and bird and Duncan and Jordan.... Guys with championship rings. Jokic being a center that can't rim protect, may prevent him from winning a championship even if he does join another elite player.


I agree about the Jokic comment but i don't know if MVP is that serious...

I mean yes, all time great guys end up winning MVP but the list also has a ton of dubious winners not only Nash, Rose won an MVP by narrative over Chris Paul who is not gonna sniff one and because voters didn't wanted to give Lebron 3 in a row, Westbrook won one padding stats on a 40% USG over Harden, KD and Curry got disqualified for years because they were on the same team, etc.

Even looking at Jokic himself, his first MVP was basically won on the shoulders of everyone else not having enough games to mount a real candidature
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Post#1004 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:28 am

Kinda bizarre how trash the West is this season. Whoever wins the conference will do it by default. My favorite outcome would be Sacramento winning it. If Phoenix can stay healthy, they would be my bet though.
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Post#1005 » by Eyeamok » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:28 am

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Murray_17 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I don't believe there's a racial bias. Nerds are merely chasing the numbers. And all the numbers of these stupid formulas say Jokic is the GOAT.

Simple solution would be to stop giving votes to nerds. Have the MVP voters be coaches and players.


People take MVP too seriously, having a big number of voters was supposed to diminish random votes for players on local teams or narrative stuff. It's what its.


No, that has little relevance, the problem is that Embiid takes MVP too seriously. Thus, if he wins it this year, he will care less next year, and so will try less in the next RS and will be fresher for playoffs.


All players have healthy egos. And when you are elite you want to be acknowledged, the MVP does that, you are now in the history books as one of the best to play the game. I can understand why any player that could win the MVP would want to. Next season, I am guilty of this too, but we as fans act like next season is guaranteed. Injuries happen all the time, player fall off, an up and coming team comes on the scene. So many things can happen. So even if Embiid is "fresher" it may not matter.
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Post#1006 » by HardenGoat » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:33 am

Rooting for the Rockets! Let’s get the one seed!!
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Post#1007 » by Stanford » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:16 am

HardenGoat wrote:Rooting for the Rockets! Let’s get the one seed!!


lol not gonna happen bruh
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Post#1008 » by Murray_17 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:19 am

The Rockets really are a mess
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Post#1009 » by Stanford » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:31 am

Happy to be wrong!

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Post#1010 » by Murray_17 » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:33 am

The Rockets tried hard to lose that one and still won.....

Only in the NBA lol
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Post#1011 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:36 am

Hell yeah! That was unexpected. Houston took it. Now we need the Kangs to beat the Bucks.
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Post#1012 » by Stanford » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:36 am

Hilarious that Tatum was in the MVP conversation at one point
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Post#1013 » by HardenGoat » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:41 am

Murray_17 wrote:The Rockets tried hard to lose that one and still won.....

Only in the NBA lol

Refs tried hard to give it away
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Post#1014 » by HardenGoat » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:44 am

Let’s go Kangzzzz!!!!
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Post#1015 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:26 am

Among the top 50 clutch scorers based on total clutch pts, Tatum is 49th in % of pts via clutch. And scores the most in garbage time, 16%.

The problem is Jaylen Brown. He’s underrated. He’s the leader in their clutch scoring (90pts off clutch vs 80 pts for Tatum). But he’s not a very good ISO player.

Celts is not that talented to be the best team in the league. But their scheme, chemistry and fit is as good as it gets.
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Post#1016 » by Embiid P » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:35 am

The key to beating the Celtics is having long athletic wings to defend Tatum and Brown and quickly closing out on their shooters.

Sadly, we are mostly a team of older shorter unathletic wings.
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Post#1017 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:40 am

Embiid P wrote:The key to beating the Celtics is having long athletic wings to defend Tatum and Brown and quickly closing out on their shooters.

Sadly, we are mostly a team of older shorter unathletic wings.


Our short guys are limiting Tatum and Jaylen a combined +-42pts compared to their +-56pts average.

The guys who’s been killing us are Brogdon, Derrick White and cross match issues in transition that has been leaving Horford open. Our bench scoring also should step up. Maxey can revert back to Minimizey.
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Post#1018 » by kuclas » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:56 am

Sixers schedule is so brutal after all star break.

We are 6-3. But 3 of those wins were were down 16-20 points to Memphis, bucks, and Portland. And we barely escaped Indy. Shows you a little luck involved. Or we are tethering with another 2nd round exit

The next 8 games. 7 of them are on the road including golden State, phoenix (KD may be back by than) and than Denver.

I’m just hoping we go 5-3. I could see us 4-4.

I see no way for us to get the 1 seed. 2 is wishful thinking even with Celtics loss tonight since they have tie breaker.
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Post#1019 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:16 am

“The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers”.

People do not practice thinking critically that often nowadays compared to before.

What’s next? Asking ChatGPT who should be MVP?

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You can’t just blindly look at data, specially when real world data says otherwise.

So James Harden over Doncic for MVP?
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Post#1020 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:09 am

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