2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Negrodamus]

If Ace could swap stats with Derik Queen, I’d take him at 2, much less 3. That’s how much Queen’s weight is holding him back for me. They are otherwise the same height/length.

[Arsenal]

Why draft Derik Queen high when you can get a reasonable facsimile of him with Danny Wolf late in the 1st round?

Only 6 months older and a better distributor (AST% and AST/TO) with superior measurements and athletic testing?

[76ciology]

So what’s the deal with all these old all=stars who look at Ace and see special talent that reminds them of some of the best they played with? Why can’t they comprehend the stats that so many local analysts and even fans can readily come up with, and instead depend on the eye test so much?

You can read about it in the NBA Players Code of Ethics handbook, under “Professional Responsibilities”.

[Negrodamus]

Why draft Derik Queen high when you can get a reasonable facsimile of him with Danny Wolf late in the 1st round?

Only 6 months older and a better distributor (AST% and AST/TO) with superior measurements and athletic testing?

Because Queen is better at getting to the rim, scoring at the rim, and drawing foul. When drawing the fouls, Queen shot 77% to Wolf's 59% at the line. Also Queen generates steals at a way better rate than Wolf.

I believe in Queen's ability to distribute, I just don't think that responsibility was placed in his hands as much as it was for Wolf, especially at the end of the year.

I also think Queen will be a PF while Wolf will be a C.

Not saying it isn't a big bet.

[Lou_23]

Sam Vecenie, what are you doing the last weeks ? I need new intel!!!!!

[Iverson Armband]

https://youtu.be/Rb4DZV2aHUU?si=ARIpWWhwNPNiZIwW

Anybody who thinks Tre Johnson cant get to the basket and finish needs to watch this video. Multiple instances of him doing so with relative ease. In addition to that, as a bonus, at about the 30 minute mark treat yourself to him lighting up “generational defender” Cooper Flagg.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Don't see how Queen and Wolf compare in terms of game. Queen (if put in the right situation) is going to be a high volume scorer while Wolf (to me) looks more like a role player (Mason Plumlee with a three ball). Both should have long careers in the league.

[Negrodamus]

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He reminds me of a young D’Angelo Russell, similar 6’10” wingspan, high-level passing, heavy perimeter scorer but D’Lo was given the opportunity of playing lead guard at Ohio State. That said, I think Tre is more athletic and is more serious NBA player given his work ethic and demeanor. That’s why I’m optimistic about his development.

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[Iverson Armband]

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[Negrodamus]

My guess is Morey trades the pick for a player and future lightly or unprotected picks. I think he wants as many chances to get top picks in the future while adding extra win now ammo to this team. It'd be different if he got Flagg, but it seems like this area just doesn't have the guaranteed stud.

I also think he'd consider just doing 3 + filler for Trey Murphy.

[Stanford]

I really hate the internet.

Yeah **** these people

[Iverson Armband]

I really hate the internet.

Yeah **** these people

**** Overthinkers

[LeonJordanJr24]

My guess is Morey trades the pick for a player and future lightly or unprotected picks. I think he wants as many chances to get top picks in the future while adding extra win now ammo to this team. It'd be different if he got Flagg, but it seems like this area just doesn't have the guaranteed stud.

I also think he'd consider just doing 3 + filler for Trey Murphy.

You gotta be trying trolling...

[Stanford]

Yeah, there's no way NO would trade Trey for 3 and junk.

[ProcessDoctor]

Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics/impact despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.

[Winejk]

So you say lack of rim attempts right?

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Tre reminds me of Lou Williams. Early in his career Lou would actually try to take the ball in the lane and he had a nice floater or he would dish it to a crashing teammate. Later he fell in love with his outside shot and totally abandoned trying to penetrate. Even later he loved his outside shot so much and the defenses knew it so he developed off balance 3 pointers. All the while he never played a lick of defense.

[Negrodamus]

My guess is Morey trades the pick for a player and future lightly or unprotected picks. I think he wants as many chances to get top picks in the future while adding extra win now ammo to this team. It'd be different if he got Flagg, but it seems like this area just doesn't have the guaranteed stud.

I also think he'd consider just doing 3 + filler for Trey Murphy.

You gotta be trying trolling...

I'm wondering the same; you just went a post without saying Ace's name!

[Jailblazers7]

Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.

The FT rate difference is pretty telling between the two, especially when you consider how Jimmy ended up translating his ability to bully his way to the rim in the NBA.

[ProcessDoctor]

Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.

The FT rate difference is pretty telling between the two, especially when you consider how Jimmy ended up translating his ability to bully his way to the rim in the NBA.

And the 3PA rate largely in favor of VJ. Those are the two glaring differences. Otherwise, I still see a lot of overlap. Can't believe they have the same wingspan. Jimmy has truly maximized every ounce of his physical talent.

[Black Mage]

https://youtu.be/Rb4DZV2aHUU?si=ARIpWWhwNPNiZIwW

Anybody who thinks Tre Johnson cant get to the basket and finish needs to watch this video. Multiple instances of him doing so with relative ease. In addition to that, as a bonus, at about the 30 minute mark treat yourself to him lighting up “generational defender” Cooper Flagg.

In a half court setting Tre Johnson got to the rim just 1.4% more often than Ace. Include transition and Ace eclipses Tre.