Tom Moore 2.0

Sixercise · Post #1001 » by **Sixercise** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:24 am

Speaking of Donyell....is the Sixers FO thinking of bringing him back?

76STholder · Post #1002 » by **76STholder** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:26 am

i am not surprised with all the doom and gloom here about the sixers. If I said that Lou will be an all star caliber point guard, most of you would laugh. But, when one says that Lou will be horrible at the point, that is just as laughable (new word).

Who knows in this world, or in any world, how well or bad Lou will play this year. We can find examples to justify our opinion, but bottomline, NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE. So, instead of mocking ones in support of Lou, why don't we all, as sixer fans, hope that Lou sets the world on fire and does great! Instead of saying things that you know NOTHING about.

In reference to Miller, I am not disappointed he is gone, I do not see the sixers winning it all with him. So, time to move on. They did not trade Miller because it was not worth it and who knew that they would go on a losing streak and Thad gets hurt?

Now they have training camp to get things worked out and I am confident EJ will do it. Thank you SweetLou and LouWilliams for being positive in this forum.

Sixercise · Post #1003 » by **Sixercise** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:35 am

76STholder wrote:In reference to Miller, I am not disappointed he is gone, I do not see the sixers winning it all with him. So, time to move on. They did not trade Miller because it was not worth it and who knew that they would go on a losing streak when Thad got hurt?

Fixed.

We were 40-35 before Thad got injured....he's more of a factor in our winning than Miller. And I second what you said about moving on. Time to see how Lou does alongside Iggy, Brand & Young.

And I know quite a few ppl are still disappointed that Sam isn't gone, but I'm kinda glad he's still here.

ChuckS · Post #1004 » by **ChuckS** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:04 am

[quote] "Looking strictly at our playoff roster and the guys who were getting regular PT, if I told you that you could trade Andre Miller, Theo Ratliff, Reggie Evans and Donyell Marshall for Elton Brand, Jason Kapono, Jrue Holiday and Jason Smith, would you do that deal?"

I actually think that is somewhat of a fallacious argument since we could still have Elton Brand, Jason Kapono, Jrue Holiday, Jason Smith, vet minimum or rookie replacements for Theo, Reggie, and Donyell...AND Andre Miller.

I still understand the arguments that we might be better without Dre, and still disagree. In fact, I think they make less sense now that he wasn't exchanged for Hinrich, Blake, or any other three point shooter. I doubt that anyone will claim that Lou will drastically improve our defense either.

As an appreciative fan, I am, however, happy for Miller at least.

It is conceivable that the additions of Brand (in particular), Kapono, Smith, Holiday, and EJ will more than offset the loss of Miller. I just have difficulty believing that we would not be even better also keeping arguably our MVP of last year.

What is even more perplexing is that we are seemingly already planning the loss of probably our best player (EB). I feel kind of sorry for Iguodala, but shouldn't because he will probably follow Brand.

Lou may very well be an acceptable replacement at the point. But I still think this has been a depressing fiasco.

bebopdeluxe · Post #1005 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:24 am

Tom:

If Stefanski and DiLeo are comfortable going into this season seeing if Lou can handle 30+ mpg at PG, then why didn't they give him 10-12 mpg at PG last season?

And remember - I am counting on you to ask Stefanski to defend the seeming double standard of NOT playing the kids last February when Brand was lost for the season (Lou at PG, Iggy/Thad at the 2/3, more Speights, less Evans), but now it is OK to give the PG position to two guys with around 1000 minutes TOTAL point guard experience in college and the NBA now that Brand is back in the lineup...

Don't let him off easy.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1006 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:43 am

I won't answer for Tom, but as far as I'm concerned the difference is simple. Last year they were worried about contending and this year they aren't so they can let it fly and see what sticks.

sixerswillrule · Post #1007 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:54 am

To be honest, I'm not all that worried. With expectations lowered now, I have a feeling that we could be pleasantly surprised with what we see from Lou and the team as a whole. Could be wrong, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

bebopdeluxe · Post #1008 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:20 am

Just like we could have been pleasantly surprised with Speights at the 4 after Brand was out for the year....right? And for those who say that we couldn't have started Speights (even in a Willie Green-like 20-25 mpg where he played with the starters and could have been helped by their presence around him) because, of course, his defense would have been so horrific (playing with Iggy, Thad and Sam...as opposed to playing with the all-defense trio of Williams, Evans and Ivey).

So...we couldn't THINK of starting Speights when Brand went down in February (because, of course, we werre going to go DEEP in the playoffs, and we couldn't afford to have a rookie learning on the job)...but we are willing to throw the freaking keys to the team to a guy who has virtually ZERO experience playing PG...

Nice f*cking double-standard, Ed.

76STholder · Post #1009 » by **76STholder** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:29 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:Just like we could have been pleasantly surprised with Speights at the 4 after Brand was out for the year....right? And for those who say that we couldn't have started Speights (even in a Willie Green-like 20-25 mpg where he played with the starters and could have been helped by their presence around him) because, of course, his defense would have been so horrific (playing with Iggy, Thad and Sam...as opposed to playing with the all-defense trio of Williams, Evans and Ivey).

So...we couldn't THINK of starting Speights when Brand went down in February (because, of course, we werre going to go DEEP in the playoffs, and we couldn't afford to have a rookie learning on the job)...but we are willing to throw the freaking keys to the team to a guy who has virtually ZERO experience playing PG...
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Your point on this and previous one is completely legit. And honestly, I don't think Ed would have an answer. If he did, and he was honest, he should say "I MESSED UP". I should have played Lou at the point, play M16 more and see what happens. I find it even more annoying in that 1 year earlier that was his attitude! But, lets remember, EVERYONE, no one is perfect. Hopefully Tom will have a chance to get Ed to answer honestly so this can be history.

Don't we all wish the sixer management was as perfect as we are?

Louis Williams · Post #1010 » by **Louis Williams** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:11 pm

I don't understand why it's so puzzling. A few years ago, Derrick Coleman had a strong playoff run when he was 35. Billy King resigned him to a 3 yr deal. Coleman broke down shortly afterwards. He was simply too old. Many questioned why King would sign him to a deal of that length at that age.

Andre Miller is 33 yrs old, and was seeking a 3yr deal. Is is smart for Stefanski to commit to Miller for 3 more yrs? Not saying he's going to break down like Coleman did, but you have to respect that he's making a tough decision letting Miller go too early rather than too late.

Just because Williams is starting doesn't necessarily mean the Sixers are in full blown rebuild mode. They just decided not to get stuck committing long term to an older player.

sec-106 · Post #1011 » by **sec-106** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:16 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:With expectations lowered now, I have a feeling that we could be pleasantly surprised with what we see from Lou and the team as a whole.

I'm going with that line of thinking, too.

freshie2 · Post #1012 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:20 pm

One thing is for sure...Miller was very classy. If you read his quotes regarding the departure and what it means for the Sixers, there was nothing negative. Very classy.

bebopdeluxe · Post #1013 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:37 pm

Louis:

I am not puzzled about this move. It would have been silly to sign Miller for more that one year with our PG of the future on the roster. I don't even have a problem with giving Lou the keys and letting him run the thing. My problem (made ad nauseum as many on this forum know) is not having the same attitude towards developing the future of the franchise (Lou. Speights, Iggy/Thad at the 2/3) once Brand was out for good. We weren't going to win JACK in May and June...and sacrificing long-term player development for a couple of home playoff games (that weren't close to sellouts, BTW) was ridiculous and irresponsible.

And I think that had they inserted Speights in the starting lineup, played Iggy/Thad at the 2/3 and given Lou a consistent 10-12 mpg at PG, we STILL would have made the playoffs.

I hope that Tom or somebody else has the sack today to get Ed to answer this once and for all (I guess that means that Kate Fagan can't ask the question).

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #1014 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:57 pm

I'd like Jrue to run the thing mid-season.

I LOVE Holiday's game and it's gonna translate pretty good to the pros. I like what I see.

radrmd216 · Post #1015 » by **radrmd216** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:17 pm

Bebopdeluxe, I think the Sixers didn't play the young guys beucase they wanted to make the playoffs and possibly get the 4 seed. They could probably have made an extra $3 million for that 4th home game and they might have thought they could beat the Heat or Hawks. I think they could have made the playoffs playing the young guys, but from what was said earlier in the year they wanted the 4 seed.

sweetlou23 · Post #1016 » by **sweetlou23** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:33 pm

Actually, lou did 12 minutes per game at the point. And his numbers were better as a point than they. Were as a 2.

freshie2 · Post #1017 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:43 pm

The Miller piece is final, so hopefully now they'll make some moves to round out the roster...it isn't much, but that is all there is to look forward to at this point.

tmoore · Post #1018 » by **tmoore** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:57 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:Tom:

If Stefanski and DiLeo are comfortable going into this season seeing if Lou can handle 30+ mpg at PG, then why didn't they give him 10-12 mpg at PG last season?

And remember - I am counting on you to ask Stefanski to defend the seeming double standard of NOT playing the kids last February when Brand was lost for the season (Lou at PG, Iggy/Thad at the 2/3, more Speights, less Evans), but now it is OK to give the PG position to two guys with around 1000 minutes TOTAL point guard experience in college and the NBA now that Brand is back in the lineup...

Don't let him off easy.

Hi. Sorry to get on here so late today -- lots going on away from the Sixers. Anyway, I was told the Sixers decided to make a big push for the playoffs when they couldn't trade Miller at the Feb. 19 deadline. By doing so, they limited Speights' minutes and Williams' time at the point.

I asked Stefanski last week if, given that Miller wouldn't be back, signing Brand was the wrong long-term move. His response: "That's hindsight. It's easy to say after the fact."

tmoore · Post #1019 » by **tmoore** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:02 am

Could be that expectations will drop with young point guards and no Miller. That could be a good thing for Jordan and Stefanski, but will, in conjunction with the economy, cause a decrease in attendance.

Post #1020 » by **tk76** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:19 am

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.