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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1021 » by Simmons25 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:53 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
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Well there you go. If that doesn't tell you something has happened and that they are shutting Simmons down I don't know what will. Now we have the coach avoiding questions on how Simmons is doing.

Not "when is he coming back"... "what game is he scheduled to play in".... he is refusing to talk about "How has he been doing?".

It was painfully obvious to me when all the updates and instagram photos just suddenly stopped immediately after the foot scan we had something that was being hidden.

This organisation is such a joke.


Will you come back and admit you were wrong and that you overreacted when Simmons does play this season?


Yup I will... but I am 99% certain that will not be happening based on common sense and math.

We are now almost 19 weeks since Simmons had his surgery... 19 friggen weeks... and where are we at now? "Very Basic 1 on 1 with a D-Leaguer" according to Brett Brown who "didn't really wnat to talk about it". So basically he is doing non contact 1 on 1 at about 70%. His foot isn't getting any stronger after 19 weeks... they are just avoiding potential injury at this stage by not playing or training him anywhere near what he is capable of.

So it's not about giving him extra time to heal. It's about holding him out so he can't hurt himself by playing or training. I don't see why that fear suddenly evaporates in a few weeks time.

On top of that Brett Brown said he needs and I quote "More than 5 full practices of 5 on 5 training" before he will be ready to come back... which means anywhere from 6 to 10 full on 5 on 5 training sessions. So lets do some basic math.

He isn't coming back just to play for the last 2-3 weeks of the season... so rule that out. The risk is not worth the almost non existant reward you would get by playing him for only the last 2-3 weeks of the season. So for him to play this year he must be back by around 12th March to get the last 4 weeks (17 games) of the season in... which some would argue is still a waste of time... especially if Embiid is not playing.

So we need him making his debut in exactly 28 days.

Given the fact that it was 32 days ago today that he only just started doing 5 on 0 at about 80% at practice... and in 32 days all he has progressed to at training is "basic 1 on 1" probably going at about 70-80%.... tells me he doesn't have a chance in hell of playing in 28 days based on the current rate of progress the front office have him going at.

Not only that but if he has to complete 7 or 8 or "5 on 5's" before being available.... in only 28 days? LOL! Sorry cannot see it happening unless he starts those 5 on 5's in the next week or so.... which goes against any sort of logic whatsover based on his recovery so far.

He's not playing this year. Never was.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1022 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:07 pm

Agree, I think Simmons is the type of player that cares more about accolades, like being rookie of the year, my prediction is he doesn't play this season, if I am wrong then I'll gladly admit it, nothing wrong about that.
Also, can we please let him first play and prove how good he is before any talks about already having our two superstars?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1023 » by Eyeamok » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:34 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Agree, I think Simmons is the type of player that cares more about accolades, like being rookie of the year, my prediction is he doesn't play this season, if I am wrong then I'll gladly admit it, nothing wrong about that.
Also, can we please let him first play and prove how good he is before any talks about already having our two superstars?


It's a cold world we live in. Taxes are going up pay is going down. People are not as friendly are the could be and my dog just bit me. So if I or other people want to believe that Simmons is going to be our next superstar can you please let us have that until proven it's not so! Don't stomp on all the basketball dreams at once.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter. :D
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1024 » by phillychuck » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:50 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:because it's been almost 5 months since his surgery and he's still not going through normal practices and the team is still incredibly shady when they talk about his comeback?

Which leads you to believe he isn't coming back Feb 24th. Makes you think he isn't coming back at all.


The people who are okay with this completely bizarre timeline, lack of transparency and don't see anything wrong with it crack me up. How naive can you all be?


It's not a matter of being naive, for some of us we don't feel as entitled as you apparently do. They can choose not to tell me things. It's their choice, not my right to know them.

When he's coming back, I'm sure they'll let me know enough in advance so I can buy tix.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1025 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:22 pm

Asked Keith Pompey in his chat today if Simmons had a setback. He couldn't confirm it but he didn't deny it either
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1026 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:51 pm

Simmons25 wrote:So lets do some basic math.

He isn't coming back just to play for the last 2-3 weeks of the season... so rule that out. The risk is not worth the almost non existant reward you would get by playing him for only the last 2-3 weeks of the season. So for him to play this year he must be back by around 12th March to get the last 4 weeks (17 games) of the season in... which some would argue is still a waste of time... especially if Embiid is not playing.

So we need him making his debut in exactly 28 days.

Given the fact that it was 32 days ago today that he only just started doing 5 on 0 at about 80% at practice... and in 32 days all he has progressed to at training is "basic 1 on 1" probably going at about 70-80%.... tells me he doesn't have a chance in hell of playing in 28 days based on the current rate of progress the front office have him going at.

Not only that but if he has to complete 7 or 8 or "5 on 5's" before being available.... in only 28 days? LOL! Sorry cannot see it happening unless he starts those 5 on 5's in the next week or so.... which goes against any sort of logic whatsover based on his recovery so far.

He's not playing this year. Never was.


How do you know? I'm not arguing your math, because you clearly have the numbers down better than I would. But like, why should we just assume that they won't play him for the final few weeks of the season? That's not any more risky than starting him game 1 of next year. It's the same amount of risk. And the "reward" won't matter one way or the other. The "Goal" should be to get Ben on the floor as soon as he's fully healthy and ready to go. The "Goal" should be, regardless of it being his rookie season, or his 2nd year, or 2 weeks left or a fresh start to a season -- get him on the floor in real NBA games as soon as possible.

How do you know he's only going 70-80% in his basic 1v1s? Maybe he's going 100%? You're guessing that it's not 100% because you're looking at it from a negative point of view. How do you know that 5 v 0 at 80% didn't progress in 32 days, and that for the past week he's been working up to 2v2 at 100% and will start that next week? And that after it goes well, he'll progress to 3v3 then 4v4 then 5v5 within a week? How do you know he won't have exactly 6 practices at 5v5 by March 1st, and be ready to go for nearly 6 weeks of regular season games?

Also, I don't understand the comment "especially if Embiid isn't playing". Why would Embiid not be playing by mid-March? They aren't going to shut him down for the season. It would make ZERO sense to do so, unless he had a legit injury to his knee that isn't healing. As long as he's healthy, he will play. We've already seen him play this year, so there's no reason to sit him out. Not to mention, it would go AGAINST the progress he's been making in minutes restrictions, etc. The only way to get back to lifting the minutes restriction and being a full go for back to backs, is to progress him up to it.

My guess? I'll put it on record here. You will see the debut of Ben Simmons in a Sixers uniform, at PG, taking on the Greek Freak, on Monday March 6th in Philly. Embiid will also be playing in that game, after coming back to action when the team resumes games following the All Star break.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1027 » by MR28 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:51 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:Asked Keith Pompey in his chat today if Simmons had a setback. He couldn't confirm it but he didn't deny it either


So we've learned nothing.?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1028 » by eyeatoma » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:39 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:Asked Keith Pompey in his chat today if Simmons had a setback. He couldn't confirm it but he didn't deny it either


So he essentially said I don't know...

Or he's suspicious like some people on this forum, based on mere speculation...

NON story...
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1029 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:42 pm

Colangelo said he "hopes he can play this season."

People don't miss entire seasons with that injury. If he does, someone seriously screwed something up somewhere.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1030 » by Sixersftw » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:58 pm

Was that interview as hostile as the quotes seem?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1031 » by eyeatoma » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:59 pm

I gotta say. I'm someone who is willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't mind them not telling us, but stop stringing us along by saying stuff like " we hope they can play this season"...

Makes it seem like there could have been a set back, when it sounds like he was on track a few weeks ago... In addition, I'm so frustrated about what's going on with Embiid. I hate the fact that we got a taste of a dominant player, and now it looks like we're keeping him out (without a timeline), but every few days they say, it could be in the next few games. That is absolutely the worst way for fans to be treated. Either don't give a timeline at all (indefinite), or give a timeline. Don't do this middle of the road BS where you say, oh he's getting better, he's fine, no complications... He could be good to go in a few games... Then when time is up, they say the same thing all over again.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1032 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:01 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Was that interview as hostile as the quotes seem?


I don't think he was hostile, but he did seem annoyed at times.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1033 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:08 pm

That is understandable, he seemed annoyed because he knows he ain't gonna play this season but obviously can't say it, he is tired of having to lie every time.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1034 » by LongLiveHinkie » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:11 pm

He doesn't have to lie about anything.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1035 » by Arsenal » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:16 pm

I enjoyed the BC interview. The more I hear from him, the more I can tell that he is down with:

#TrustTheProcess

We're basically stealth tanking, and in his schmoozy style he is putting a better PR face onto it than Hinkie did. Well done BC. As long as you TTP you're alright with me.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1036 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:21 pm

to string the fans along regarding Ben Simmons and now with Embiid like they have for the last couple months is really unacceptable. It's cowardly and it's sleazy. and i'm just about done with the homers who make excuses for everything the organization does.

i've lost a lot of passion I had for this season. This organization went into this season with a lot of good will and growing excitement with the fanbase. I hope they don't mind losing a lot of it. They deserve it
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1037 » by Arsenal » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:36 pm

snoopdogg88 wrote:to string the fans along regarding Ben Simmons and now with Embiid like they have for the last couple months is really unacceptable. It's cowardly and it's sleazy. and i'm just about done with the homers who make excuses for everything the organization does.

i've lost a lot of passion I had for this season. This organization went into this season with a lot of good will and growing excitement with the fanbase. I hope they don't mind losing a lot of it. They deserve it


You and everyone else will be back when Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Isaac are lighting up the league.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1038 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:43 pm

oh you all just wait until next season when Embiid suffers a "minor" injury in training camp with no timetable, and then in February they announce he's being shut down for the year and needs surgery.
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1039 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:49 pm

eyeatoma wrote:I gotta say. I'm someone who is willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't mind them not telling us, but stop stringing us along by saying stuff like " we hope they can play this season"...

Makes it seem like there could have been a set back, when it sounds like he was on track a few weeks ago... In addition, I'm so frustrated about what's going on with Embiid. I hate the fact that we got a taste of a dominant player, and now it looks like we're keeping him out (without a timeline), but every few days they say, it could be in the next few games. That is absolutely the worst way for fans to be treated. Either don't give a timeline at all (indefinite), or give a timeline. Don't do this middle of the road BS where you say, oh he's getting better, he's fine, no complications... He could be good to go in a few games... Then when time is up, they say the same thing all over again.


I don't get this. You never make absolute statements because they can come back to haunt you. Why should BC say Ben WILL play this season? And what if he doesn't? You would be the first one saying he lied to us. He hopes Ben will play. I agree with him saying that. Nothing can be gained by saying something is 100% happening. And if you like absolutes would you be ok with him if he said Ben will not play this season? Would that make you feel better because he gave an absolute abs said he's not playing?
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Re: Welcome Simmons 

Post#1040 » by marcush » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:50 pm

More hype, less panic. Thanks.

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