Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[the_process]

Am I the only that thinks we could actually be better with out Ben come playoff time? Maxey is way Superior offensively and Tisse is just about at his level defensively and will actually take a wide-open three!

Need to see Maxey initiate an offense and distribute the ball. Right now he's still an undersized 2.

[RedSalsa]

Am I the only that thinks we could actually be better with out Ben come playoff time? Maxey is way Superior offensively and Tisse is just about at his level defensively and will actually take a wide-open three!

Need to see Maxey initiate an offense and distribute the ball. Right now he's still an undersized 2.

I’m not trying to argue with that but I think in today’s game a traditional point guard is overrated there’s no such thing. all Ben really did was bring the ball up the court and then go hide in the dunkers spot. If Maxey sees an opening he’s gone going to the basket - Ben would not do that because he was afraid he would have to go to the line.

[the_process]

Am I the only that thinks we could actually be better with out Ben come playoff time? Maxey is way Superior offensively and Tisse is just about at his level defensively and will actually take a wide-open three!

Need to see Maxey initiate an offense and distribute the ball. Right now he's still an undersized 2.

I’m not trying to argue with that but I think in today’s game a traditional point guard is overrated there’s no such thing. all Ben really did was bring the ball up the court and then go hide in the dunkers spot. If Maxey sees an opening he’s gone going to the basket - Ben would not do that because he was afraid he would have to go to the line.

And I agree Maxey's aggression on offense should help the team. He just has to make sure to keep everyone else involved.

[kuclas]

Am I the only that thinks we could actually be better with out Ben come playoff time? Maxey is way Superior offensively and Tisse is just about at his level defensively and will actually take a wide-open three!

Need to see Maxey initiate an offense and distribute the ball. Right now he's still an undersized 2.

I’m not trying to argue with that but I think in today’s game a traditional point guard is overrated there’s no such thing. all Ben really did was bring the ball up the court and then go hide in the dunkers spot. If Maxey sees an opening he’s gone going to the basket - Ben would not do that because he was afraid he would have to go to the line.

Issue is how do u replace Simmons skill set outside his ineptitude on offense half court set in playoffs. He does so much. His height and overall length clogs up the entire perimeter passing game. Thybulle while good isn’t Simmons on defense. And thybulle shot horrible last season from 3 point lane. So if you think you can just slide thybulle in for Simmons. That’s not gonna to be the solution especially if Maxey can’t shoot either.

Maxey can beat almost anyone off the dribble. He’s proven that. But he is wild at the rim. The floater is a work in progress. The jump shot is inconsistent. But Maxey is a very good free throw shooter. Which means he can learn to shoot. Or has potential. Thybulle is not a good free Throw shooter in the nba. He was above average in college.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Maxey is in a perfect situation to ease into PG duties because the offense will always revolve around Embiid. We’re not asking him to be Chris Paul. As long as he can hit jumpers, run a good pnr with Embiid, and make some pretty basic reads then he will be a fine PG in the Sixers half court offense.

And maybe once his process speed gets faster and his playmaking skills evolve he can start to assert a little more control.

[sodmoraes]

I think Morey should wait mid season before trading Ben. The offers right now are probably crap, so it´s better to wait mid season to see if a disgruntled star wants out, and wait for teams that are underachieving to get desperate and trade for Ben, so we get a better offer.

Besides that, another good reason it´s so we can see how Maxey plays this year. If he´s playing well, maybe doesnt make sense to trade Ben for Sexton or Fox , for example. So we can try to trade him for a wing. Morey needs to see what we got in Maxey and Thybulle. Ben is our last piece with value, if we trade him for a meh package, our window is probably closed anyways. No rush, let him rot for a bit without pay. His value is already damaged, i dont think he will lose more value if we wait to trade him midseason.

[RedSalsa]

I think Morey should wait mid season before trading Ben. The offers right now are probably crap, so it´s better to wait mid season to see if a disgruntled star wants out, and wait for teams that are underachieving to get desperate and trade for Ben, so we get a better offer.

Besides that, another good reason it´s so we can see how Maxey plays this year. If he´s playing well, maybe doesnt make sense to trade Ben for Sexton or Fox , for example. So we can try to trade him for a wing. Morey needs to see what we got in Maxey and Thybulle. Ben is our last piece with value, if we trade him for a meh package, our window is probably closed anyways. No rush, let him rot for a bit without pay. His value is already damaged, i dont think he will lose more value if we wait to trade him midseason.

Agree, or longer whatever it takes until you get the deal YOU WANT. I’m a firm believer we will be better off in the playoffs with Maxey and Thybulle.

[Tomjas]

I think Morey should wait mid season before trading Ben. The offers right now are probably crap, so it´s better to wait mid season to see if a disgruntled star wants out, and wait for teams that are underachieving to get desperate and trade for Ben, so we get a better offer.

Besides that, another good reason it´s so we can see how Maxey plays this year. If he´s playing well, maybe doesnt make sense to trade Ben for Sexton or Fox , for example. So we can try to trade him for a wing. Morey needs to see what we got in Maxey and Thybulle. Ben is our last piece with value, if we trade him for a meh package, our window is probably closed anyways. No rush, let him rot for a bit without pay. His value is already damaged, i dont think he will lose more value if we wait to trade him midseason.

By close of business tomorrow, Ben will have been paid 50% of his salary (16.5 million)

There’s no “let him rot without pay” threat available

[Sixerscan]

I think Morey should wait mid season before trading Ben. The offers right now are probably crap, so it´s better to wait mid season to see if a disgruntled star wants out, and wait for teams that are underachieving to get desperate and trade for Ben, so we get a better offer.

Besides that, another good reason it´s so we can see how Maxey plays this year. If he´s playing well, maybe doesnt make sense to trade Ben for Sexton or Fox , for example. So we can try to trade him for a wing. Morey needs to see what we got in Maxey and Thybulle. Ben is our last piece with value, if we trade him for a meh package, our window is probably closed anyways. No rush, let him rot for a bit without pay. His value is already damaged, i dont think he will lose more value if we wait to trade him midseason.

By close of business tomorrow, Ben will have been paid 50% of his salary (16.5 million)

There’s no “let him rot without pay” threat available

We'll see about that.

[Tomjas]

I think Morey should wait mid season before trading Ben. The offers right now are probably crap, so it´s better to wait mid season to see if a disgruntled star wants out, and wait for teams that are underachieving to get desperate and trade for Ben, so we get a better offer.

Besides that, another good reason it´s so we can see how Maxey plays this year. If he´s playing well, maybe doesnt make sense to trade Ben for Sexton or Fox , for example. So we can try to trade him for a wing. Morey needs to see what we got in Maxey and Thybulle. Ben is our last piece with value, if we trade him for a meh package, our window is probably closed anyways. No rush, let him rot for a bit without pay. His value is already damaged, i dont think he will lose more value if we wait to trade him midseason.

By close of business tomorrow, Ben will have been paid 50% of his salary (16.5 million)

There’s no “let him rot without pay” threat available

We'll see about that.

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

[Eyeamok]

He can't expect to get paid. He did not show up to work and his own agent has not been able to find a deal that makes sense for all parties involved.

[Sixerscan]

By close of business tomorrow, Ben will have been paid 50% of his salary (16.5 million)

There’s no “let him rot without pay” threat available

We'll see about that.

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

https://thepaintedlines.com/money-is-in-play-as-the-simmons-situation-heads-into-training-camp/

According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, Simmons opted to receive 25 percent of his salary on July 1 and October 1st of each season. The remaining half of that season’s salary is delivered over 12 payments starting on November 15th.

Simmons is owed $33,003,936 in 2021-22. That means he’s due $8,250,984 on October 1, 2021. Given the terms of Simmons’ contract, he could receive $16,501,968 (or, 50 percent) of his salary by the penultimate day of training camp without ever showing up.

However, Philadelphia might decide to withhold that second installment on October 1. The collective bargaining agreement gives the Sixers the right to withhold payments if they deem Simmons to be failing to render services. Should they do that, Simmons could take them to arbitration to get that installment of his salary. But, the arbitration typically results in a long, arduous process to recoup that money — if the case plays out in Simmons’ favor at all.

We'll see.

[Tomjas]

We'll see about that.

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

https://thepaintedlines.com/money-is-in-play-as-the-simmons-situation-heads-into-training-camp/

According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, Simmons opted to receive 25 percent of his salary on July 1 and October 1st of each season. The remaining half of that season’s salary is delivered over 12 payments starting on November 15th.

Simmons is owed $33,003,936 in 2021-22. That means he’s due $8,250,984 on October 1, 2021. Given the terms of Simmons’ contract, he could receive $16,501,968 (or, 50 percent) of his salary by the penultimate day of training camp without ever showing up.

However, Philadelphia might decide to withhold that second installment on October 1. The collective bargaining agreement gives the Sixers the right to withhold payments if they deem Simmons to be failing to render services. Should they do that, Simmons could take them to arbitration to get that installment of his salary. But, the arbitration typically results in a long, arduous process to recoup that money — if the case plays out in Simmons’ favor at all.

We'll see.

Good luck with that strategy

As it stands, he’s missed a couple of days

[Sixerscan]

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

https://thepaintedlines.com/money-is-in-play-as-the-simmons-situation-heads-into-training-camp/

According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, Simmons opted to receive 25 percent of his salary on July 1 and October 1st of each season. The remaining half of that season’s salary is delivered over 12 payments starting on November 15th.

Simmons is owed $33,003,936 in 2021-22. That means he’s due $8,250,984 on October 1, 2021. Given the terms of Simmons’ contract, he could receive $16,501,968 (or, 50 percent) of his salary by the penultimate day of training camp without ever showing up.

However, Philadelphia might decide to withhold that second installment on October 1. The collective bargaining agreement gives the Sixers the right to withhold payments if they deem Simmons to be failing to render services. Should they do that, Simmons could take them to arbitration to get that installment of his salary. But, the arbitration typically results in a long, arduous process to recoup that money — if the case plays out in Simmons’ favor at all.

We'll see.

Good luck with that strategy

As it stands, he’s missed a couple of days

Not sure what the relevance of that is, withholding doesn't mean he never gets it. Just as long as he withholds services of playing basketball (what his contract is for) they withhold payments that he's otherwise due. Check is on Morey's desk in Camden, pick it up after practice.

I have no idea if they'll go with that strategy, but it's definitely a possibility from what I understand.

[RedSalsa]

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

https://thepaintedlines.com/money-is-in-play-as-the-simmons-situation-heads-into-training-camp/

According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, Simmons opted to receive 25 percent of his salary on July 1 and October 1st of each season. The remaining half of that season’s salary is delivered over 12 payments starting on November 15th.

Simmons is owed $33,003,936 in 2021-22. That means he’s due $8,250,984 on October 1, 2021. Given the terms of Simmons’ contract, he could receive $16,501,968 (or, 50 percent) of his salary by the penultimate day of training camp without ever showing up.

However, Philadelphia might decide to withhold that second installment on October 1. The collective bargaining agreement gives the Sixers the right to withhold payments if they deem Simmons to be failing to render services. Should they do that, Simmons could take them to arbitration to get that installment of his salary. But, the arbitration typically results in a long, arduous process to recoup that money — if the case plays out in Simmons’ favor at all.

We'll see.

Good luck with that strategy

As it stands, he’s missed a couple of days

Na

He’s not getting paid they will take it to court if they have and win easily.

[Stanford]

I mean, in what sense is he not failing to render services? Every word of reporting on this states that he's not planning on showing up. It's not ambiguous. Based on what Morey said at Media Day, I'm guessing he's not going to get that money on October 1st.

And that Laker fan said we'd have to give up Maxey.

[Sixerscan]

I mean, in what sense is he not failing to render services? Every word of reporting on this states that he's not planning on showing up. It's not ambiguous. Based on what Morey said at Media Day, I'm guessing he's not going to get that money on October 1st.

And that Laker fan said we'd have to give up Maxey.

Yeah, it seems pretty clear. I guess one argument for paying would be if not paying somehow voids the contract completely and makes him free to sign with another team. No idea if that is the case though/I doubt the other 29 owners want to establish that as a precedent.

[Tomjas]

https://thepaintedlines.com/money-is-in-play-as-the-simmons-situation-heads-into-training-camp/



We'll see.

Good luck with that strategy

As it stands, he’s missed a couple of days

Na

He’s not getting paid they will take it to court if they have and win easily.

Read the cba

Simmons is due 8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers can fine him a small amount (less than 100k) for missing a few days but that’s it

If they don’t pay up, they’re in breach and Klutch might attempt to rip up the contract

[Sportfan73]

I mean, in what sense is he not failing to render services? Every word of reporting on this states that he's not planning on showing up. It's not ambiguous. Based on what Morey said at Media Day, I'm guessing he's not going to get that money on October 1st.

And that Laker fan said we'd have to give up Maxey.

Yeah if we chose to withhold it, he’s not getting it until he shows up

[sixers hoops]

By close of business tomorrow, Ben will have been paid 50% of his salary (16.5 million)

There’s no “let him rot without pay” threat available

We'll see about that.

Nothing to see

He’s already been paid $8.25 million and is due another $8.25 million tomorrow

Sixers might fine him a few bucks for missing media day and a training session but that’s all the leverage that they have

I can’t tell if you’re joking or really don’t understand it, but Ben would ultimately lose all of his salary if he didn’t report all season. NBA contracts are broken up for a fraction of salary to represent different benchmarks of the season. The players earn, and can lose, a designated amount as allotted for training camp, each preseason game, and each season game. Failure to fulfill contractual duties would just result in a legal obligation to return the money to the Sixers.

Ultimately, Ben receiving a lump sum payment is only significant if your hope was that he was dead broke and we were going to bleed him out of his stance in a state of poverty. As with players in NFL who have retired without fulfilling their contract, such as Calvin Johnson, having to return a prorated portion of their signing bonus. Ostensibly, Ben receiving the lump sum doesn’t mean he will receive more or less pay for games not played. It just means he got his paycheck earlier, and if he loses enough salary throughout this process, he will have to return some of the money.

However, your assertion that he gained leverage by receiving his money early would ignore how players earn their salaries via the collective bargaining agreement.