Welcome James Harden!

Ferry Avenue · Post #1021 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:47 pm

okboomer wrote:He doesnt have the ability to get by his man like he did with the Rockets and that isnt coming back. he is what he is.

Then this team better work to get Tyrese Maxey his 20+ points every game.

okboomer · Post #1022 » by **okboomer** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:48 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
okboomer wrote:He doesnt have the ability to get by his man like he did with the Rockets and that isnt coming back. he is what he is.

Then this team better work to get Tyrese Maxey his 20+ points every game.

I think we are a year away from that unfortunately.

Axxon · Post #1023 » by **Axxon** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:55 pm

Not the Houston Harden but I think what people don’t understand but what James understands is we don’t need that. We need more of a Chris Paul role & that is what he’s doing averaging over 10 dimes a game. With all due respect people saying we need him to be the Houston James Harden just do not know the first thing about basketball. It’s not what’s needed on this particular team.

Ferry Avenue · Post #1024 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:46 pm

Axxon wrote:Not the Houston Harden but I think what people don’t understand but what James understands is we don’t need that. We need more of a Chris Paul role & that is what he’s doing averaging over 10 dimes a game. With all due respect people saying we need him to be the Houston James Harden just do not know the first thing about basketball. It’s not what’s needed on this particular team.

What you have to account for is variation in players’ performances from game to game and the fact that in some games Houston Harden is exactly what the team will need. You would like for him to at least have the capacity for that so that he can respond in that way when it’s needed. He doesn’t have to play that way all the time, but there are times when he will need to, especially in the playoffs when the best teams in the league are faced.

Embiid P · Post #1025 » by **Embiid P** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:59 pm

Harden played too many minutes again (42) even if it was a playoff game. That one is on Doc. No reason not to throw Kork in for 10-15 minutes with Thybulle not playing especially when considering that most of our starters had an off game shooting the ball.

FireMorey · Post #1026 » by **FireMorey** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:01 am

Harden gets by his man fine. It’s finishing that’s the issue. Getting shots blocked and missing floaters.

Axxon · Post #1027 » by **Axxon** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:02 am

FireMorey wrote:Harden gets by his man fine. It’s finishing that’s the issue. Getting shots blocked and missing floaters.

That is when has to pull up for that 10 foot Chris Paul type shot. You don’t always have to get to the tin.

shlo · Post #1028 » by **shlo** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:13 am

Axxon wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Harden gets by his man fine. It’s finishing that’s the issue. Getting shots blocked and missing floaters.

That is when has to pull up for that 10 foot Chris Paul type shot. You don’t always have to get to the tin.

Right. But he doesn't do that. And that's never been part of his game... so...

FireMorey · Post #1029 » by **FireMorey** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:18 am

It has been part of his game. Don’t know why he’s gotten away from it but he’s worked the mid range before on his career.

I suspect it’ll be more part of his game next year if his leg issues are a reason he lacks lift on his jumper.

Embiid P · Post #1030 » by **Embiid P** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:29 am

FireMorey wrote:It has been part of his game. Don’t know why he’s gotten away from it but he’s worked the mid range before on his career.

I suspect it’ll be more part of his game next year if his leg issues are a reason he lacks lift on his jumper.

Yup. Assuming he is with us next season, it has to be an adjustment year for Harden, considering his age, injury history and declining athleticism. He has to make the mid-range jumper, floater, and catch-and-shoot a regular part of his arsenal and not depend on the refs for calls as much. I'm sure that Maxey of all people could help him perfect his floater.

mjkvol · Post #1031 » by **mjkvol** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:16 am

Axxon wrote:Not the Houston Harden but I think what people don’t understand but what James understands is we don’t need that. We need more of a Chris Paul role & that is what he’s doing averaging over 10 dimes a game. With all due respect people saying we need him to be the Houston James Harden just do not know the first thing about basketball. It’s not what’s needed on this particular team.

This.

And add to that it is beyond idiotic to believe that anything resembling 'Houston Harden' has even existed for at least a couple of years now. Like I said yesterday, you're better off waiting for a unicorn to appear.

Axxon · Post #1032 » by **Axxon** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:19 am

mjkvol wrote:
Axxon wrote:Not the Houston Harden but I think what people don’t understand but what James understands is we don’t need that. We need more of a Chris Paul role & that is what he’s doing averaging over 10 dimes a game. With all due respect people saying we need him to be the Houston James Harden just do not know the first thing about basketball. It’s not what’s needed on this particular team.

This.

And add to that it is beyond idiotic to believe that anything resembling 'Houston Harden' has even existed for at least a couple of years now. Like I said yesterday, you're better off waiting for a unicorn to appear.

Yep. The Houston James Harden is the last thing this team needs and why people can’t see that I have no idea.

Joel, Harris, and Maxey should all take more shots than James,

Mik317 · Post #1033 » by **Mik317** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:21 am

he has to add a mid range game. It was wonky but he did take a mid range step back today. Will make up for him not getting all the way to the rim.

Arsenal · Post #1034 » by **Arsenal** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:27 am

I don’t see him adding midrange since he’s a true believer in Moreyball.

C&S 3 is a must though. He passes up way too many, just like Tobias used to.

Ferry Avenue · Post #1035 » by **Ferry Avenue** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:46 am

Axxon wrote:Yep. The Houston James Harden is the last thing this team needs and why people can’t see that I have no idea.

Joel, Harris, and Maxey should all take more shots than James,

You want him in some sort of Chris Paul role, but what you don’t seem to understand is that Chris Paul routinely takes games over in the fourth quarter, as in the other night when he scored 19 points for the win. If Harden had the capacity to play like Chris Paul, the Sixers win that game today. That kind of fourth-quarter scoring was exactly what this team needed with the other players you mentioned playing like they were.

You’re failing to account here for the fact that there is variation in players’ performances. You aren’t going to get exactly the same Joel Embiid, Tobias Harris, and Tyrese Maxey from game to game.

76ciology · Post #1036 » by **76ciology** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:23 am

Mik317 wrote:he has to add a mid range game. It was wonky but he did take a mid range step back today. Will make up for him not getting all the way to the rim.

Ive been saying this. And I think he’ll add it in the offseason. And if he can add a great mid range game, he can easily be an MVP candidate.

76ciology · Post #1037 » by **76ciology** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:28 am

Arsenal wrote:I don’t see him adding midrange since he’s a true believer in Moreyball.

C&S 3 is a must though. He passes up way too many, just like Tobias used to.

I dont expect him to be Demar Derozan. But I think he needs a healthy balance of midrange and drives, depends on what the defense is giving him and how his shooting is.

It cant be nice when the defense isn’t scared of you driving to the rim because seems like you easily get your shots blocked.

M2J · Post #1038 » by **M2J** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:33 am

Yeah Harden is still great, but he needs to tweak his game to remain a superstar. Floater, midrange, but mainly catch and shoot 3s. His lack of athleticism gets fixed by becoming a knock down shooter.

Last year when he was primarily healthy and Morey tried to trade for him....I was against it because I didn't think he'd be this willing of a playmaker.... And he isn't really a shooter or effective off the ball. Well his playmaking is top notch. He still draws coverage, and can attack one on one effectively and from the pick and roll. Though his current production isn't that of a superstar any longer.... He's arguably the best offensive point guard in the league when his shot falls.

During the playoff coverage, it's beyond annoying to continuously hear Stephen A Smith and his agenda along with ESPN to spin the narrative of pressure on Harden to perform... When he clearly isn't quite right this year and yet he clearly made the right decision to abandon that ship in Brooklyn. They try to hard to create narratives to support their 24 hour sports coverage.

Harden is generally playing the right way and promoting a team first style. I feel the issue with game 4 was that Joel wanted to show that he can score too much rather than draw coverage and let the others get theirs..... And Harden tried to shoot too much. This teams success in the postseason now and in the future is based on Maxey and Tobias going into games knowing they'll need to be successful at attacking the coverage that Joel and Harden provides them. If teams adjust, it's not as if Joel and Harden won't be able to adjust further.... Because the ball runs through them.

VDT · Post #1039 » by **VDT** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:44 am

Harden has naturally declined somewhat, but part of the reason for his bad finishing at the rim is the lack of a lob threat. Its much easier to finish at the rim when the defenders need to also defend the lob.

Post #1040 » by **Foshan** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:09 pm

VDT wrote:Harden has naturally declined somewhat, but part of the reason for his bad finishing at the rim is the lack of a lob threat. Its much easier to finish at the rim when the defenders need to also defend the lob.

This. Unfortunately he has never had minutes with bball paul to this point to teach him where to be and work on the lob game.