Fantasy Trade Thread

[mjkvol]

Nets: Tobias Harris
- Upgrade and dumps Ben’s contract

Bulls: Morris, Roco, Korkmaz and House
- dumps Lavine’s salary

Blazers:
Ben Simmons
2027 Bulls 1st Round Pick
2026 OKC 1st Round Pick
- get a first round pick and a role player in Ben Simmons

Sixers:
Zach Lavine
Jerami Grant
2027 Sixers 1st Round Pick
- adds more talent and got our first round pick back

Tyrese Maxey
Zach Lavine
Nic Batum
Jerami Grant
Joel Embiid

JRoy will respectfully decline on behalf of POR, and I unrespectfully decline for the Sixers.

You would decline this trade? You serious? Its a ludicrous trade that won't happen because the Sixers didnt give up nearly enough. The Bulls are not looking to dump Lavine's salary. If they lowered the price on him many teams would be interested. The Lakers would give up a first (albiet it wouldnt be for a few years) and Austin Reaves for Lavine in a heartbeat. Why do you guys have such irrational hatred of players. Im going to guess its Lavine. Yes, Lavine is garbage he only had like four years straight of almost 50, 40, and 90 on high usage. I get it he is injury prone and has a bad contract but this deal would be a no brainer and make the Sixers close to co favorites with the Celtics. Basially we lose one net first round pick and Harris and get Lavine and Grant. Come on dude.
I look forward to watching you praise whatever moves we end up doing at the deadline or offeseason which I guarantee you will be worse then this deal in terms of talent out and talent in.

It's nothing short of comical that there are fans of this organization who have lived with Tobias Harris and his bloated contract and empty stats over the last five years and how his contract prevented us from acquiring useful players that can perform in big games.
Now, the same fans want to do it all over with the same kind of player (empty stats on bad teams), only one who can't even stay on the court, which is the one thing Tobias always offered.

And have somehow convinced themselves he can be a difference maker in the playoffs, based on ... something.

I don't have a problem with Grant, but a trade for those two hideous contracts pretty much says that this is the group we will roll with for the remainder of Embiid's prime. This is a championship level lineup, or even close? This isn't an "irrational hatred" of anything except taking on bad contracts and losing players .... again. Fool me twice .......

[M2J]

JRoy will respectfully decline on behalf of POR, and I unrespectfully decline for the Sixers.

You would decline this trade? You serious? Its a ludicrous trade that won't happen because the Sixers didnt give up nearly enough. The Bulls are not looking to dump Lavine's salary. If they lowered the price on him many teams would be interested. The Lakers would give up a first (albiet it wouldnt be for a few years) and Austin Reaves for Lavine in a heartbeat. Why do you guys have such irrational hatred of players. Im going to guess its Lavine. Yes, Lavine is garbage he only had like four years straight of almost 50, 40, and 90 on high usage. I get it he is injury prone and has a bad contract but this deal would be a no brainer and make the Sixers close to co favorites with the Celtics. Basially we lose one net first round pick and Harris and get Lavine and Grant. Come on dude.
I look forward to watching you praise whatever moves we end up doing at the deadline or offeseason which I guarantee you will be worse then this deal in terms of talent out and talent in.

It's nothing short of comical that there are fans of this organization who have lived with Tobias Harris and his bloated contract and empty stats over the last five years and how his contract prevented us from acquiring useful players that can perform in big games.
Now, the same fans want to do it all over with the same kind of player (empty stats on bad teams), only one who can't even stay on the court, which is the one thing Tobias always offered.

And have somehow convinced themselves he can be a difference maker in the playoffs, based on ... something.

I don't have a problem with Grant, but a trade for those two hideous contracts pretty much says that this is the group we will roll with for the remainder of Embiid's prime. This is a championship level lineup, or even close? This isn't an "irrational hatred" of anything except taking on bad contracts and losing players .... again. Fool me twice .......

I'm not even disputing your reasoning for your opinion.

However my thoughts regarding that is that Tobias was a near All-Star his last year in LA, and a near All-Star in 2021. He's always had issues with carrying the team through offensive stretches or after place stop getting called for him in the second quarter when he's on the floor without Joel.... But he goes out and has a scoreless second half and it's even more apparent in the playoffs.

Lavine has been an actual All-Star 2x, in the question would be whether he would step back his aggression offensively and step it up defensively. But that aggressive offense is needed to free up Joel and Maxey and vice versa. Can play on the ball or off the ball.

Get the guy win a chip or 2, and discard the contract later. He's been generally healthy for the last few years and has played through injuries. You're just being overly cautious right now because they want to trade him and he wants to be healthy for his new team.

[mjkvol]

Lavine has been an actual All-Star 2x, in the question would be whether he would step back his aggression offensively and step it up defensively. But that aggressive offense is needed to free up Joel and Maxey and vice versa. Can play on the ball or off the ball.

Get the guy win a chip or 2, and discard the contract later. He's been generally healthy for the last few years and has played through injuries. You're just being overly cautious right now because they want to trade him and he wants to be healthy for his new team.

Win a chip or 2? What in Lavine's past suggests that he has the slightest resemblance of a difference maker come playoff time? 2x all-star? Yes, putting up numbers for bad teams.

I'm not being overly cautious, I just don't want to be the guy that takes someone else's garbage, which is essentially what Lavine is given his health and that contract. Someone is going to make the dreadful error of being the sucker for fool's gold and bailing Chicago out. I don't want the Sixers to be that someone.

[PhillyFan11]

You can tell who watches basketball and who just looks at basic box scores…Zach LaVine is not a winning team basketball player. And the problem is not the Bulls asking price according to Woj, it’s that literally no one wants him.

[M2J]

You can tell who watches basketball and who just looks at basic box scores…Zach LaVine is not a winning team basketball player. And the problem is not the Bulls asking price according to Woj, it’s that literally no one wants him.

I've watched the hell out of him. If he's your top option, he'll kill you. His off ball movement shooting, and ability to carry the bench with his creative ability is literally the perfect offense fit for Philly.

I mean the Lakers win a few years ago with Kuzma before he really even developed his offensive game as a 3rd guy. Wiggins stepped it up in a winning situation (one of the biggest. There are countless other examples. We may be seeing it now with Beal now that they are healthy. We've seen it with Kat a couple times when he wasn't option 1 with Jimmy and now with Edwards become a factor to winning. To say a guy isn't a winner, and can't contribute to winning is a blanket statement that has been defied many times...JR Smith (who may be the biggest loser I've ever seen win a ring).

Lavine's contract is an albatross, I agree... and that hurts....But, he's a great offensive 3rd option. You could probably still keep first round draft picks with him. And if money becomes an issue you keep him and stop spending or you combine him with other assets that are saved to get rid of him.

[PhillyFan11]

You can tell who watches basketball and who just looks at basic box scores…Zach LaVine is not a winning team basketball player. And the problem is not the Bulls asking price according to Woj, it’s that literally no one wants him.

I've watched the hell out of him. If he's your top option, he'll kill you. His off ball movement shooting, and ability to carry the bench with his creative ability is literally the perfect offense fit for Philly.

I mean the Lakers win a few years ago with Kuzma before he really even developed his offensive game as a 3rd guy. Wiggins stepped it up in a winning situation (one of the biggest. There are countless other examples. We may be seeing it now with Beal now that they are healthy. We've seen it with Kat a couple times when he wasn't option 1 with Jimmy and now with Edwards become a factor to winning. To say a guy isn't a winner, and can't contribute to winning is a blanket statement that has been defied many times...JR Smith (who may be the biggest loser I've ever seen win a ring).

Lavine's contract is an albatross, I agree... and that hurts....But, he's a great offensive 3rd option. You could probably still keep first round draft picks with him. And if money becomes an issue you keep him and stop spending or you combine him with other assets that are saved to get rid of him.

I don’t see how people watch this team and think “a ball dominant 3rd scorer is what we really need.” LaVine would come here and just be a more athletic Tobi. Score 18 a game on 12 shots and not really help with ball distribution, defense or rebounding. LaVine is a good 1 on 1 scorer…and that’s about it. You also have to realize this team is already short handed (from the Harden trade) and is playing without Melton. There is a VERY wide range of players between Oubre/House/Korkmaz/Martin and LaVine that would greatly benefit the team.

Also you listed a bunch of #2 options on their respective teams along with a bunch of guys that didn’t make nearly max $. Just so I know where we are standing…are you suggesting LaVine would be a better #2 option than Maxey? Beal would be about the only correct example and we’ll see how that plays out.

And finally…saying “if the money becomes a problem” is a pretty wild statement. Of course it will. That’s like lighting your house on fire and saying you’ll take care of it later.

[M2J]

You can tell who watches basketball and who just looks at basic box scores…Zach LaVine is not a winning team basketball player. And the problem is not the Bulls asking price according to Woj, it’s that literally no one wants him.

I've watched the hell out of him. If he's your top option, he'll kill you. His off ball movement shooting, and ability to carry the bench with his creative ability is literally the perfect offense fit for Philly.

I mean the Lakers win a few years ago with Kuzma before he really even developed his offensive game as a 3rd guy. Wiggins stepped it up in a winning situation (one of the biggest. There are countless other examples. We may be seeing it now with Beal now that they are healthy. We've seen it with Kat a couple times when he wasn't option 1 with Jimmy and now with Edwards become a factor to winning. To say a guy isn't a winner, and can't contribute to winning is a blanket statement that has been defied many times...JR Smith (who may be the biggest loser I've ever seen win a ring).

Lavine's contract is an albatross, I agree... and that hurts....But, he's a great offensive 3rd option. You could probably still keep first round draft picks with him. And if money becomes an issue you keep him and stop spending or you combine him with other assets that are saved to get rid of him.

I don’t see how people watch this team and think “a ball dominant 3rd scorer is what we really need.” LaVine would come here and just be a more athletic Tobi. Score 18 a game on 12 shots and not really help with ball distribution, defense or rebounding. LaVine is a good 1 on 1 scorer…and that’s about it. You also have to realize this team is already short handed (from the Harden trade) and is playing without Melton. There is a VERY wide range of players between Oubre/House/Korkmaz/Martin and LaVine that would greatly benefit the team.

Also you listed a bunch of #2 options on their respective teams along with a bunch of guys that didn’t make nearly max $. Just so I know where we are standing…are you suggesting LaVine would be a better #2 option than Maxey? Beal would be about the only correct example and we’ll see how that plays out.

And finally…saying “if the money becomes a problem” is a pretty wild statement. Of course it will. That’s like lighting your house on fire and saying you’ll take care of it later.

Well I thought you watched him play. A player that can become ball dominant and actually dominate at times is what the team needs. However, he's very much so a player that plays without the ball and still shoots volume threes and many off movement...which Tobi does not. So he fits the system, can play similar to Maxey off ball... But unlike Murray isn't better with the ball in his hands (see playing with DeRozan). Maxey will still be able to play the same way with him.

Maxey isn't a one on one guy really and can be stifled. Joel is great one on one, but it's easy to crowd him from within the paint, and he's not good enough handling to truly be a great creator for others... And they can always recover to the perimeter. They clearly need another creator, anybody who watches the Sixers should know that. Maxey is playing 40 freaking minutes and Joel leads the league in usage. Someone who can play both ways is perfect. What Maxey's style does playing off ball with movement (similar to Steph), and Joel drawing extra covers just by fighting for position..... What they're doing best for their team in the playoffs is drawing coverage but they don't have anyone capable of taking advantage of that. If someone is taking advantage of that, then eventually their coverage will lighten up and they can go off too

Also to respond to your ingenious financial stance. If they don't want a championship then it's an issue. If they do, then you write it out. You certainly can't tell me that you know that they won't. Again you also have additional draft compensation to trade away unwanted dollars. You probably won't even need to do that. Because if they don't win, then you can reset everything by trading Joel.

[Covi_Marsh]

Isn’t Lavine hurt again. I don’t think he will get moved before the deadline. Lakers are desperately trying to get Murray and they were Lavines best option. Sixers aren’t interested from every report I’ve seen. Personally don’t think Sixers will trade a 1st at all. Seems as we are tryna add role players with our 2nds and waiting on teams to stop requesting a first(s) for their bench players.

[the_process]

Off the trade board:

Houston receives: Hayward, House (into TPE)
Hornets receive: BKN 2nd (38 ATM), 2 future philly 2nds, Covington, Oladipo, Landale
Philly receives: Tate, Bullock

Sixers reset the repeater tax clock, and add a couple more wings. Tate has a 7M TO, so if he somehow blows up you can keep him cheaply. Also, since Tate fits into the Harden TPE, I believe they can create a new one for the entire amount of Covington's contract ($11,692,308 according to Spotrac).

[Covi_Marsh]

Off the trade board:

Houston receives: Hayward, House (into TPE)
Hornets receive: BKN 2nd (38 ATM), 2 future philly 2nds, Covington, Oladipo, Landale
Philly receives: Tate, Bullock

Sixers reset the repeater tax clock, and add a couple more wings. Tate has a 7M TO, so if he somehow blows up you can keep him cheaply. Also, since Tate fits into the Harden TPE, I believe they can create a new one for the entire amount of Covington's contract ($11,692,308 according to Spotrac).

I have no idea who Tate is
But Bullock is an upgrade over House and whatever is left of Robert Covington.

[PhillyFan11]

Off the trade board:

Houston receives: Hayward, House (into TPE)
Hornets receive: BKN 2nd (38 ATM), 2 future philly 2nds, Covington, Oladipo, Landale
Philly receives: Tate, Bullock

Sixers reset the repeater tax clock, and add a couple more wings. Tate has a 7M TO, so if he somehow blows up you can keep him cheaply. Also, since Tate fits into the Harden TPE, I believe they can create a new one for the entire amount of Covington's contract ($11,692,308 according to Spotrac).

I have no idea who Tate is
But Bullock is an upgrade over House and whatever is left of Robert Covington.

Tate is a Thybulle esque player, maybe not quite as good on D. He’s a more capable ball handler, but also a worse shooter on offense.

But I would do that trade. Bullock and Tate upgrade our wing D and the 2 2nd’s are well worth ducking the tax.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Off the trade board:

Houston receives: Hayward, House (into TPE)
Hornets receive: BKN 2nd (38 ATM), 2 future philly 2nds, Covington, Oladipo, Landale
Philly receives: Tate, Bullock

Sixers reset the repeater tax clock, and add a couple more wings. Tate has a 7M TO, so if he somehow blows up you can keep him cheaply. Also, since Tate fits into the Harden TPE, I believe they can create a new one for the entire amount of Covington's contract ($11,692,308 according to Spotrac).

I have no idea who Tate is
But Bullock is an upgrade over House and whatever is left of Robert Covington.

Tate is a Thybulle esque player, maybe not quite as good on D. He’s a more capable ball handler, but also a worse shooter on offense.

But I would do that trade. Bullock and Tate upgrade our wing D and the 2 2nd’s are well worth ducking the tax.

Why add Tate so we can have another guy to complain about ?? These insignificant players y'all proposing to add is goofy sometimes.

[M2J]

Isn’t Lavine hurt again. I don’t think he will get moved before the deadline. Lakers are desperately trying to get Murray and they were Lavines best option. Sixers aren’t interested from every report I’ve seen. Personally don’t think Sixers will trade a 1st at all. Seems as we are tryna add role players with our 2nds and waiting on teams to stop requesting a first(s) for their bench players.

I think Morey would go for Lavine if the price is right. I actually think ultimately is up to Joel pressuring Harris to do it.

At the end of the day, we've seen it for years. Defenses totally game plan to take Joel out of his flow and overplay him which should be to their detriment. Ben was totally incapable of taking advantage of that. Tobias has proven that he is not a capable either. They let Jimmy walk away after the coach stifled his role and he should've been the primary option... Not Ben. Maxey is going to do fine in my opinion, but he's not likely to go for 35 every night.

Two best examples of guys getting overplayed and another one-on-one score winning championships for the team. Are the '06 Heat. Dallas triple teamed Shaq and Wade averages like 35. The Warriors main focus was always Steph and doesn't could go one on one...nuff said. Another is Denver. Jokic gets the extra coverage and then we see Murray go from looking like he'll never be an all star in the regular season, to becoming a guy getting 40 and 50 a night. I can't rely on that from Maxi until we see it, and I think it's a dangerous game to expect it at 23 years old.

Sixers desperately need a situation where if a team overloads on Joel.. Then the house is on fire, because the other guys can't be stopped

[the_process]

Stein is saying Sixers are shopping Martin for a 2nd.

[Foshan]

Stein is saying Sixers are shopping Martin for a 2nd.

So if all we did was move him for a second, and maybe flip that second to move Koromaz and get out of the tax… how do we feel about that?

[Ben]

Stein is saying Sixers are shopping Martin for a 2nd.

So if all we did was move him for a second, and maybe flip that second to move Koromaz and get out of the tax… how do we feel about that?

If all of us who buy tickets or pay to see the Sixers on TV were to get rebates, mmmmaybe I'd be sort of OK with it. If of course none of those things happen and ownership were just to get richer, while knowing that they could still sell tickets and benefit from TV/ merch deals... yeah, not so much.

[the_process]

Stein is saying Sixers are shopping Martin for a 2nd.

So if all we did was move him for a second, and maybe flip that second to move Koromaz and get out of the tax… how do we feel about that?

Most logical outcome.

Second most logical would be something along the lines of Morris, Martin, and a pair of 2nds for Olynyk.

[Eyeamok]

Zack Lavine. All I need to know is that Korkmaz had some of his best games when Lavine was guarding him. What do you think those young studs in Boston would do to him in the playoffs. Thank but no thanks.

[SixthStreet]

I'm a big Jaesean Tate fan. He's been hurt a lot the last two seasons but he's a winning player. Also think he's a better shooter than he's shown of late. If you can get him for cheap it's a nice get. He can give you legitimate wing minutes without killing the lineups in the playoffs. He's a good player to play against the Celtics and Heat specifically.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Not sure Tate does anything for us....At all. He's an undersized forward who brings n.othing we need at the moment. Why shop Martin and then bring in Tate?

I don't even know why we're shopping Martin unless it's for financial reasons. Team must believe in Ricky Council if that's the case. I know I like him, but who knows?