2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[TYO23]

My opinion will change but after viewing some more footage and reading the numbers. I’m praying they go VJ at 3 over Ace.

[SixthStreet]

Would anyone want to take Fears at 3 and auction Maxey?

[Negrodamus]

Would anyone want to take Fears at 3 and auction Maxey?

I can’t see the FO doing that unless it’s Maxey + asset for a superstar. They are trying to win now.

I think it goes in this order at the moment:

1) Trade back
2) VJ Edgecombe
3) Ace Bailey

[stormi]

Would anyone want to take Fears at 3 and auction Maxey?

I can’t see the FO doing that unless it’s Maxey + asset for a superstar. They are trying to win now.

I think it goes in this order at the moment:

1) Trade back
2) VJ Edgecombe
3) Ace Bailey

What does the tradeback look like?

[FireMorey]

Edgecomb has a lot of physical tools, but the problem is he has a PG's body. He's 6'5ish. That could pass for SG, but he's slight of frame. I don't think he has the tools to be a primary scoring SG option on offense and I don't think he has the natural distributor instincts to be a primary PG. He's kind of a tweener to me. A guy who if he was 6'8 or 6'9 would be the clear choice. But taking 6'5 guys who aren't amazing floor generals or amazing shooters is always risky. I think Morey would lean Bailey between the two because of his shooting and wingspan.

[Negrodamus]

Would anyone want to take Fears at 3 and auction Maxey?

I can’t see the FO doing that unless it’s Maxey + asset for a superstar. They are trying to win now.

I think it goes in this order at the moment:

1) Trade back
2) VJ Edgecombe
3) Ace Bailey

What does the tradeback look like?

No idea. There are a few options for two firsts in this draft. If possible, I’d be fine with a trade back + ‘26 first.

[stormi]

I think Morey would lean Bailey between the two because of his shooting and wingspan.

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Bailey was the biggest measurables loser at the combine today and is a horrid shooter, how are you arriving at this conclusion.

[SixthStreet]

Bailey doesn't give you shooting and Edgecombe is indexing athleticism and work ethic at the expense of skill. I'm out on both of them.

I want to end up with Johnson at 3 or Queen or Fears in a trade down. Those three have star potential with a reasonable pathway to it happening. Everyone else is a bust or high floor low ceiling.

[FireMorey]

I think Morey would lean Bailey between the two because of his shooting and wingspan.

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Bailey was the biggest measurables loser at the combine today and is a horrid shooter, how are you arriving at this conclusion.

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He's not a horrid shooter. What are you talking about? And wingspan has nothing to do with your height. Still, in shoes he measured at 6'9 and has a 7'0 1/2 wingspan.

[stormi]

I think Morey would lean Bailey between the two because of his shooting and wingspan.

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Bailey was the biggest measurables loser at the combine today and is a horrid shooter, how are you arriving at this conclusion.

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He's not a horrid shooter. What are you talking about? And wingspan has nothing to do with your height. Still, in shoes he measured at 6'9 and has a 7'0 1/2 wingspan.

A guy who can't do anything but chuck contested shots on offense shooting <70% from the ft line is a red flag.

He was also projected to be closer to a natural 6'10 being likened to Michael Porter and measured out significantly smaller.

The only pro's about Ace Bailey at the moment is his high school RSCI rank, the fact that he's still extremely young for this draft class and his rebounding numbers.

[FireMorey]

His weakness is ball handling and finishing around the rim. His shooting and shotmaking are his best assets. His pull up jumper is his best skill.

SCOUTING REPORT BY J. Kyle Mann

Bailey is among the most talented pure shotmakers to come through college basketball in the past decade. He looks more like an NBA wing than perhaps anyone else in this draft, with the height and wingspan to thrive at the next level, but it’s his head-to-toe flexibility that truly makes his scoring stand out. He’s lean and rubbery and has narrow shoulders, and although his hands are on the smaller side, he has nice mobility for his size. Altogether, his physical tools should make him a high-level finisher in the NBA—he can best defenders on the ground with creative footwork, or in the air by contorting his way to difficult angles.

The shot looks smooth: His release point is high, he has zero problem elevating over the top of the defender, and he has good touch and consistent and repeatable shot mechanics. The jumper is Ace’s ace in the hole in any given situation, and he’s gone to it repeatedly this season at Rutgers, typically in the midrange. He had to push that easy button frequently because hardly anything was easy within that Scarlet Knights offense; beyond Dylan Harper, his team was not exactly teeming with playmakers or offensive threats who could draw attention away from him.

The book on bothering Bailey at this point is to crowd him, and it hit the bestseller list in Big Ten play. You can be the wiggliest, most athletic player in the world, but the ball has to come to you. Against pressure his handle was often wobbly on his hand and rolling up his wrist, and as a result his decision-making plummeted. This led to some abysmal assist-to-turnover and assist-to-usage numbers and also kept him away from the rim and the free throw line. Yet, somehow, he was still able to wow us—splashing right-shoulder spins in the midrange, one-dribble pull-ups with two and three defenders draped over him, overhand short-range runners or hooks. I don’t know that he’ll ever evolve into a dynamic hub of offense, but with some added strength and weight, he should put up points well into his career.

The worries about Bailey’s limitations in the face of pressure will be lessened if he creates a positive trade-off on the defensive end. Luckily, he’s already started on that path. He can really contort and sit as low as necessary to move with smaller handlers while also extending to dissuade would-be shooters as he’s closing on them. His supplemental rim protection is rare for a player of his size and offensive potential. Ace may be best suited to follow the example of Jaden McDaniels and leverage his physical tools to become a defensive terror—only, with much, much more to offer on offense. He still has the upside to develop into a primary option on offense, but if that doesn’t pan out, becoming a rangy merchant of havoc isn’t a bad fallback option.

[stormi]

His weakness is ball handling and finishing around the rim. His shooting and shotmaking are his best assets. His pull up jumper is his best skill.

When you're an F in:

— Ball Handling
— Off the dribble creation
— Finishing at the rim
— Passing

And a C in shooting -> 46/34/69 (53.6% TS) splits on 7.8 3PA / 100 possessions

I'd also consider that one of his best attributes, but it's a deceiving statement. Those numbers range from mediocre to bad relative to other prospects.

[FireMorey]

You clearly have some weird agenda against him. You can not like him as much as other prospects, but calling his ball handling and off the dribble creation F's is ridiculous. He isn't an F in those categories, jeez. You're being way too hyperbolic.

He's not a perfect prospect, but it's him vs other flawed prospects. I just don't see what a 6'5 PG who isn't a floor general and isn't a dynamic scorer or shooter really brings to the Sixers. Ideally I'd like to get Harper, but that's not up to the Sixers at the moment.

Interesting note from The Athletic:

It’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when Bailey wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter, and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations.

[76ciology]

The way I see Tre Johnson’s low frequency of rim attempts is that he’s able to create quality looks from three and the midrange, so he doesn’t need to drive all the way to the rim as often. He takes a high volume of threes, including deep ones. He needs to take a leap with his mid range, which is all the craze right now in the NBA, which its easy to imagine that he can given his skillset and touch.

Defensively, he has the tools, measuring with nearly a 6’10” wingspan. The physical profile is there.

He’s got the natural gifts to be good on both ends, or atleast be average on defense. It ultimately comes down to development and consistent effort.

[Xepa777]

Would anyone want to take Fears at 3 and auction Maxey?

I can’t see the FO doing that unless it’s Maxey + asset for a superstar. They are trying to win now.

I think it goes in this order at the moment:

1) Trade back
2) VJ Edgecombe
3) Ace Bailey

What does the tradeback look like?

Zion/Herb and pelicans pick
3 Brooklyn firsts

[stormi]

You clearly have some weird agenda against him. You can not like him as much as other prospects, but calling his ball handling and off the dribble creation F's is ridiculous. He isn't an F in those categories, jeez. You're being way too hyperbolic.

He's not a perfect prospect, but it's him vs other flawed prospects. I just don't see what a 6'5 PG who isn't a floor general and isn't a dynamic scorer or shooter really brings to the Sixers. Ideally I'd like to get Harper, but that's not up to the Sixers at the moment.

Interesting note from The Athletic:

It’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when Bailey wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter, and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations.

Quite literally a nothing post.

I don't care if you stan Ace Bailey but if you're using his objectively poor shooting numbers and his wingspan as a crutch then it's looking bleak.

[Mik317]

Bailey measured the same as Flagg ,no? ...not sure why we are acting like he's a all of a sudden.

[SixthStreet]

Maxey for Wagner and draft Fears.

[Mik317]

god I missed this in a sick twisted way lol.

we got used to hoping some probable scrub fell to our late picks (and tbf someone with actual potential often did somehow), but now we have a whole board full of prospects to hate, overrated, both somehow and get mad when others don't agree.

I live for this **** mayne

[FireMorey]

You clearly have some weird agenda against him. You can not like him as much as other prospects, but calling his ball handling and off the dribble creation F's is ridiculous. He isn't an F in those categories, jeez. You're being way too hyperbolic.

He's not a perfect prospect, but it's him vs other flawed prospects. I just don't see what a 6'5 PG who isn't a floor general and isn't a dynamic scorer or shooter really brings to the Sixers. Ideally I'd like to get Harper, but that's not up to the Sixers at the moment.

Interesting note from The Athletic:

It’s worth noting that Rutgers was a catastrophe when Bailey wasn’t on the court. Even in Big Ten play, they lost Bailey’s minutes by only three points per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they lost those minutes by 23 points per 100, per CBB Analytics. His presence was clearly helpful, and I think that’s what tracks most for me. Bailey is enormous, he’s long, he is a real shooter, and he showed some defensive moments that were very positive in switch situations.

Quite literally a nothing post.

I don't care if you stan Ace Bailey but if you're using his objectively poor shooting numbers and his wingspan as your crutch then it's looking bleak.

Bro, watch the games. No one cares about your meaningless numbers.