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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1021 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:07 am

Stanford wrote:Yeah, there's no way NO would trade Trey for 3 and junk.


That was the dumb idea pitched by Kyle and Derek. They felt Sixer's couldn't ask for more than Trey straight up for 3.

I'm telling you guys, Kyle and Derek have over-analyzed this badly.

Derek today got baited by Devon to have to admit to Ace doing something well on defense that could project to the pros and Derek looked like he was passing a kidney stone having to admit Ace did something well and immediately followed it up spinning it back to why something else about him was bad.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1022 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:10 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics/impact despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.


Except, if you do Negro's test of how did Prospect X do against all competition versus Top 50 ranked teams; it's not surprising to see that Jimmy, especially from 3, elevated his game. Edge not so much.

Negro, my friend and I were spending a few hours just having fun and testing your theory out. Overall it held true pretty well. You want to see a guy hold steady or improve when facing harder competition as those guys tend to pan out as "hits" versus being a "bust." Very few guys who got worse panned out.
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Post#1023 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:25 am

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1024 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:39 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics/impact despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.


Except, if you do Negro's test of how did Prospect X do against all competition versus Top 50 ranked teams; it's not surprising to see that Jimmy, especially from 3, elevated his game. Edge not so much.

Negro, my friend and I were spending a few hours just having fun and testing your theory out. Overall it held true pretty well. You want to see a guy hold steady or improve when facing harder competition as those guys tend to pan out as "hits" versus being a "bust." Very few guys who got worse panned out.


You mean like...IRL?

And by my theory, you mean Edge vs. Jimmy?
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Post#1025 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Fri Jun 6, 2025 1:54 am

Edgecombe defensively gets after it like Butler and some of his set shots are Butler like as well. There are some similarities.
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Post#1026 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:10 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:Does anyone else see a little bit of Jimmy Butler in VJ Edgecombe?

Interviews, dawg, two-way player, and great analytics/impact despite "unimpressive" numbers.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--jimmy-butler

Mind you, this is compared to Jimmy as a junior.


Except, if you do Negro's test of how did Prospect X do against all competition versus Top 50 ranked teams; it's not surprising to see that Jimmy, especially from 3, elevated his game. Edge not so much.

Negro, my friend and I were spending a few hours just having fun and testing your theory out. Overall it held true pretty well. You want to see a guy hold steady or improve when facing harder competition as those guys tend to pan out as "hits" versus being a "bust." Very few guys who got worse panned out.


You mean like...IRL?

And by my theory, you mean Edge vs. Jimmy?


Yes, using the barto(something) sit that Negro shared with me; you can go back and check out players coming out of college. Players who showed a drop in performance tended to have careers in the pro's that either busted or their shortcomings in college also show up in the playoffs (KAT). Prospects who could hold their averages steady against Top 50 or even improve on them have carried that over to the pro's (Maxey, McCain, Jimmy, etc).

Edgecombe drops a bit in his stats against Top 50; Jimmy held steady and really stepped up in 3pt% which we've seen in the pros too.
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Post#1027 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:20 am

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Except, if you do Negro's test of how did Prospect X do against all competition versus Top 50 ranked teams; it's not surprising to see that Jimmy, especially from 3, elevated his game. Edge not so much.

Negro, my friend and I were spending a few hours just having fun and testing your theory out. Overall it held true pretty well. You want to see a guy hold steady or improve when facing harder competition as those guys tend to pan out as "hits" versus being a "bust." Very few guys who got worse panned out.


You mean like...IRL?

And by my theory, you mean Edge vs. Jimmy?


Yes, using the barto(something) sit that Negro shared with me; you can go back and check out players coming out of college. Players who showed a drop in performance tended to have careers in the pro's that either busted or their shortcomings in college also show up in the playoffs (KAT). Prospects who could hold their averages steady against Top 50 or even improve on them have carried that over to the pro's (Maxey, McCain, Jimmy, etc).

Edgecombe drops a bit in his stats against Top 50; Jimmy held steady and really stepped up in 3pt% which we've seen in the pros too.


Ah gotcha. Well that kinda sucks. Really feels like we missed out on the two surefire all-star talents. Someone will have to exceed expectations here.
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Post#1028 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:24 am

Watching these Finals, still the most important thing needed to win a title is a dynamic lead ballhandler that can get a shot just about any time they want. Maxey, while good, is not that type of player. He is an adequate #2. Then you fill in your defensive/supporting pieces around that. The guys with the most potential to be that type of player in this draft are Harper, Johnson and Jaku.
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Post#1029 » by Black Mage » Fri Jun 6, 2025 2:55 am

Iverson Armband wrote:Watching these Finals, still the most important thing needed to win a title is a dynamic lead ballhandler that can get a shot just about any time they want. Maxey, while good, is not that type of player. He is an adequate #2. Then you fill in your defensive/supporting pieces around that. The guys with the most potential to be that type of player in this draft are Harper, Johnson and Jaku.


Agree on Harper. Not sure about Johnson; getting your own shot includes getting to and being successful around the rim. Jaku I don't see it either.

I'd be willing to offer Spurs the unprotected Clippers pick if it got us to #2.

I could also see Spurs going Tre or Ace. Tre is actually a perfect fit for their team giving them a dynamic they lack while covering his warts. Ace could just be icing next to Wemby. I would not be surprised if Tre ends up their pick.
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Post#1030 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:17 am

If I’m the Spurs, I’d look to trade Castle for a top 10 pick and if I can land a top 5, even better. Passing on Harper essentially means choosing Castle over him, which I’m not sure I’d do. Tre Johnson and Maluach are great fits, maybe better players in 5 years, but I don’t know if I’d take either of them over Harper.
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Post#1031 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:55 am

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Post#1032 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 6:15 am

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Halfcourt Shot creation numbers:

total 3s/%3s assisted/3pt%
Kasparas: 142/31%/32%
Tre: 154/55%/38%
VJ: 110/44%/32.7%
Kneuppel: 148/92%/44.6%
Ace: 110/73%/36%
Harper: 103/48%/30%

total mid/%mid assisted/mid%
Ace: 164/29%/44.5%
Tre: 178/15%/36%
VJ: 82/19%/38%
Kneuppel: 40/11%/40%
Kasparas: 50/0%/38%
Harper: 74/9%/31%

total rim/%rim assisted/rim%
Harper: 107/21%/65%
Kasparas: 77/18.8%/62.3%
Kneuppel: 87/26%/61%
Tre: 53/22%/58.5%
Ace: 58/65%/55%
VJ: 60/36.7%/50%

Total shots ast%
Kasparas: 20%
Harper: 25%
Tre: 32%
Ace: 49%
VJ: 49.5%
Kneuppel: 56.2%

*shooting % is based on combined assisted and unassisted shots

Tre, Harper and Kasparas stand out as the most self-sufficient creators, with Tre pushing high-volume midrange shots and Kasparas showing good volume in 3s at the rim with solid % at mid range, while Harper is clearly the rim specialist with question on his perimeter shooting %s.

Ace shines in midrange scoring but leans more on assists for his rim and 3pt attempts.

Kneuppel and VJ are solid shooters efficiency-wise, especially from deep, but they depend heavily on assists.
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Post#1033 » by M2J » Fri Jun 6, 2025 8:44 am

Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.
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Post#1034 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 6, 2025 10:14 am

M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


Intrigued by his decision, but still loyal to the team and I trust Morey’s judgment. I’m already mentally prepared for him to pick VJ at 3 or trade down for Kneuppel.

Personally, for the last 4 years I just enjoy finding diamonds in the rough in the draft.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1035 » by sodmoraes » Fri Jun 6, 2025 10:36 am

76ciology wrote:If I’m the Spurs, I’d look to trade Castle for a top 10 pick and if I can land a top 5, even better. Passing on Harper essentially means choosing Castle over him, which I’m not sure I’d do. Tre Johnson and Maluach are great fits, maybe better players in 5 years, but I don’t know if I’d take either of them over Harper.


I agree. Castle doesnt seem like he will be anything special. I woud trade him. His shooting is subpar.
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Post#1036 » by mjkvol » Fri Jun 6, 2025 10:37 am

76ciology wrote:If I’m the Spurs, I’d look to trade Castle for a top 10 pick and if I can land a top 5, even better. Passing on Harper essentially means choosing Castle over him, which I’m not sure I’d do. Tre Johnson and Maluach are great fits, maybe better players in 5 years, but I don’t know if I’d take either of them over Harper.


Agree. Taking anyone but Harper is essentially choosing Castle over Harper, and there might never be a better time to move Castle than right now, ala MCW. Castle might bring back a lottery or unprotected future pick or two. Win-win.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1037 » by Jailblazers7 » Fri Jun 6, 2025 11:02 am

M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


I will be completely fine with the outcome no matter who we pick. There are things I like and dislike about each prospect so I’ll just assume Morey is smarter than me once he makes the selection.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1038 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 6, 2025 11:29 am

M2J wrote:Question: If Morey picks a guy that isn't your pick... What's your reaction? Disappointment? Intrigue regarding his decision (guess that's a no brainer for any pick) Glee?

As a person that trusts him, I think I'll feel validation when it's Ace, as if his data and meetings align with what I've digested. Some shock if it isn't, but will get behind it for certain picks.


Do what I do most drafts, get on board. Sometimes I’ll defend the player too long even if I hated the pick (Jahlil Okafor).
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Post#1039 » by youngcrev » Fri Jun 6, 2025 11:54 am

Draft night is gonna be so hilarious when we pick Ace, people gloat, and then they announce the trade like 20 minutes later
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft (2) 

Post#1040 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:10 pm

Black Mage wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:Watching these Finals, still the most important thing needed to win a title is a dynamic lead ballhandler that can get a shot just about any time they want. Maxey, while good, is not that type of player. He is an adequate #2. Then you fill in your defensive/supporting pieces around that. The guys with the most potential to be that type of player in this draft are Harper, Johnson and Jaku.


Agree on Harper. Not sure about Johnson; getting your own shot includes getting to and being successful around the rim. Jaku I don't see it either.

I'd be willing to offer Spurs the unprotected Clippers pick if it got us to #2.

I could also see Spurs going Tre or Ace. Tre is actually a perfect fit for their team giving them a dynamic they lack while covering his warts. Ace could just be icing next to Wemby. I would not be surprised if Tre ends up their pick.

I agree, I can definitely see the Spurs taking Johnson. And if they do, you have to admit that’s a pretty ringing endorsement on him as a player.
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