Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

SJSF · Post #1041 » by **SJSF** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:04 am

What i don't understand is that we have been calling for him to be traded for over a year. ANd Kate Fagan gets all this pub for writing an article such as this. I think we have more insight with this team then most. I do think its time for him to go. His contract with himself does not make this team much better. This team won't get any better with him here. His contract which i have talked about forever has been the biggest reason why he needs to go. HIs output does not match his contract. I don't care about his assists or his rebounds. He is not a PG or a PF. So it does not matter. A wing player has to score. And he can't be a difference maker. Then he must go.

76ciology · Post #1042 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:08 am

Told ya..

Kaman for Iguodala.

ZarcMumoff · Post #1043 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:12 am

76ciology wrote:Told ya..

Kaman for Iguodala.

How? That isn't happening. It's nothing than speculation on Fagan's part.

PhilasFinest · Post #1044 » by **PhilasFinest** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:12 am

Iguodala is a good player.

BUT

With turner here, having a similar skillset... And a young budding point guard in holiday... His "playmaking" void could be filled IMO by those 2.
Turner isnt a slouch on D, and while he alone can't replace iguodala's "lock down D" him, paired with a def specialist that can be had than less than the MLE (R.Brewer,Sefolalosha,Ariza) I think we would be able to sustain our great 41 win record Iggy helps us get.

ZarcMumoff · Post #1045 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:16 am

WassaWassa wrote:I don't think the people talking about a Bynum/Iggy deal are being realistic. The Lakers could have gotten Melo for Bynum before the deadline but declined. That just shows you have vaulable a young big man is considering his injury history.

We are not going to get a decent big for Iggy. Wing players are a dime a dozn and big men are so hard to find that anyone over 6'10 that can run the floor gets a big longterm deal.

Everytime i see that 3 years and 56 million left on his deal it leads me more to believe that he has no value. We would be lucky to get a salary dump and a mid first rounded. I think the sixers are starting to become desperate enough that they will finally take what they can get.

It's not even top 30 in the NBA (circa 2011). He's 26, averages 14/6/6, and is an elite perimeter defender. But yeah, no value.

ZarcMumoff · Post #1046 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:17 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Trades I would do...

Iggy/1st for Bogut/Dooling.

Trade Turner for starting SF such as Wes Johnson.

Or

Iggy/1st/Speights for Kaman/Aminu

Or

Iggy for Sacto's pick and Casspi and cap space.

I can't think of more for now.

Why would the Bucks do that?

WassaWassa · Post #1047 » by **WassaWassa** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:20 am

I would definitely do the deal for Kaman because it would keep us about the same competitively for the short term without saddling us long term. It also give Turner the opportunity to shine and show us what he is.

I would also do a Al Jeff deal because despite his problems he is just too talented and could potentially have a revival ala Zach Randolph.

Deals like this are as good as we are going to get. They could both still potentially be a reach considering what is left on Iggy's deal. The rest of the league might really look negatively at his value. I think a contending team would be more likely to take him on than rebuilding teams like Utah and Clips.

freshie2 · Post #1048 » by **freshie2** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:55 am

The Sixers would have to throw in a 1st to get Kaman and Aminu from LAC for Iguodala/Speights??

76ciology · Post #1049 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:28 am

PK5 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Told ya..

Kaman for Iguodala.

How? That isn't happening. It's nothing than speculation on Fagan's part.

I know. It's just that I did prove that my idea wasn't ridiculous like what some people think. The idea is reasonable enough that some people in the NBA circles are also speculating that deal.

sixerswillrule · Post #1050 » by **sixerswillrule** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:32 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Trades I would do...

Iggy/1st for Bogut/Dooling.

Trade Turner for starting SF such as Wes Johnson.

Or

Iggy/1st/Speights for Kaman/Aminu

Or

Iggy for Sacto's pick and Casspi and cap space.

I can't think of more for now.

How can you post one trade after another that are so unbelievably far apart from each other in terms of value for the Sixers. I'm talking about the last 2.

76ciology · Post #1051 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:32 am

PhilasFinest wrote:Iguodala is a good player.

BUT

With turner here, having a similar skillset... And a young budding point guard in holiday... His "playmaking" void could be filled IMO by those 2.
Turner isnt a slouch on D, and while he alone can't replace iguodala's "lock down D" him, paired with a def specialist that can be had than less than the MLE (R.Brewer,Sefolalosha,Ariza) I think we would be able to sustain our great 41 win record Iggy helps us get.

Yup. It's not really a void since we know that we got guys or can get those guys who can replace Iggy's role on this team.

kamazilla · Post #1052 » by **kamazilla** » Mon May 9, 2011 5:51 am

No way in hell would the Jazz give up Jefferson- a legit 18/10 with 2 blocks a game, who just finished playing every game this season, for Iguodala with his albatross of a contract. If I were Utah's GM, I would consider trading Millsap and Bell for Iggy and Minnesota's 2012 1st.

'Sap is vastly underpaid by NBA standards, while rated as a top 10 PF with a PER just under 20. This deal works for Utah because we have an overabundance of PFs and several players on rookie contracts who won't get paid till after Iggy's contract is done, and we are lacking a viable starter at the 2 or 3. I think it is a good deal for you guys too, but I can understand if you balk at the inclusion of the pick.

Ugly0598 · Post #1053 » by **Ugly0598** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:18 am

Great point kamazilla, I was about to say that when I clicked on the page, the Jazz are going to get rid of Millsap long before Al Jefferson if you ask me.

WassaWassa · Post #1054 » by **WassaWassa** » Mon May 9, 2011 6:58 am

To the jazz fans..... I agree that Iggy for Al would not be fair value for you. Wishful thinking by 6er fans IMO.

Iggy for Millsap would be close to equal value (as far as I know we don't own any Minn picks, don't know where that came from) but I don't think PM is what we are looking for. We have to make things work with Brand over the next couple years and pairing him with an undersized 4 would not be ideal. If we had a second trade lined up to move Brand than Millsap would definitely be a nice asset.

As of now, outside of Al or Favors (who I'm sure you don't want to part with) there is not too much on your team that would interest us. Iggy and our pick (#16) for Okur (expiring) and one of your first rounders is would be nice.

Negrodamus · Post #1055 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon May 9, 2011 7:32 am

Holy Potatoes. I didn't know there was a source stating that an Iggy trade is eminent.

It will be sad to see him go though. He was a really good player in this league. I'm just praying we can at least be on the winning end of this trade.

Post #1056 » by **Foshan** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:09 am

Negrodamus wrote:Holy Potatoes. I didn't know there was a source stating that an Iggy trade is eminent.

Um... it's no different then the 'sources' that said it would happen over the summer or leading up to the trade deadline.

capped_out · Post #1057 » by **capped_out** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:17 am

PhilasFinest wrote:Well the rumors have officially been done via wiretap and kate fagan's latest article.

She mentions a Rudy Gay Iguodala swap.... and then the Clippers deal revolving around Kaman.

If we could get a pick or Aminu along with Kaman...id highly consider it.
Kaman would be an upgrade over Hawes i almost every facet of the game...then after the season(if there is one), he would EXP...freeing up 12.2 million in cap and freeing us of Iguodala's contract.
The following year, EB would be an EXP of 18+million...and could be a valuable trade chip(paired 12 million cap space and a youngplayer/pick could land a superstar, theres a disgrntled one almost every year). If not, we'd have 30 million in cap space 12/13 season...considering theres a high chance theres not much of a season next year...could be sooner than we anticipate.

by then, we will have a better idea of what we have in ET and Jrue...and if they can pan out, our chance at a superstar could poss be here.

Sorry, this wiretap headline is the worst. "Report: Sixers Will Look To Trade Iguodala"

It's not that I think that the Sixers shouldn't or won't trade Iggy, but this is just bad journalism. Their source is the Kate Fagan article that makes no mention of the Sixers wanting to trade Iggy, just that his weak answers suggest that he doesn't want to play in Philly anymore. This was something that everyone who saw that press conference was already aware of.

Fagan's article is fine and presents everything as speculation except for the one line "Iguodala has not asked Sixers management for a trade, but the team will be looking to trade him this summer." She doesn't go on to say she got this from a source, it seems just to be a conclusion she has reached but in this line its presented as fact and I guess that gave wiretap the ability to post that weak headline again based on nothing. Soon another news source will pick up that both the Inquirer and internet sites are reporting a rumor that Sixer's management is looking to trade Iggy.

This is how Fox news floats and confirms their own stories. This is what passes for journalism these days. It's weak. Wiretap can suck it and while I generally respect Kate, she can take a lick for dropping that sentence in there as fact. The whole world is becoming like the 5th season of The Wire.

F-Stop · Post #1058 » by **F-Stop** » Mon May 9, 2011 9:56 am

kamazilla wrote:No way in hell would the Jazz give up Jefferson- a legit 18/10 with 2 blocks a game, who just finished playing every game this season, for Iguodala with his albatross of a contract. If I were Utah's GM, I would consider trading Millsap and Bell for Iggy and Minnesota's 2012 1st.

'Sap is vastly underpaid by NBA standards, while rated as a top 10 PF with a PER just under 20. This deal works for Utah because we have an overabundance of PFs and several players on rookie contracts who won't get paid till after Iggy's contract is done, and we are lacking a viable starter at the 2 or 3. I think it is a good deal for you guys too, but I can understand if you balk at the inclusion of the pick.

Don't agree - I think it is fair value . Al on paper had a good season but his contract is an albatross as well. Jazz trade Al for the same reason the 6ers trade Iggy. The development of Favors to become a better Al w-(defense) . The development of Turner to become a better Iggy w-(shooting).

As for Sap you can throw all the numbers you want out there and in the east he is a 3rd tier pf with very little upside left due to being 6'7. Numbers say he plays great but in the NBA its also about length and how you put it all together. Taking Sap just puts another bench player on this team. We trade a starter we get a starter.

PH1LLYSFINEST13 · Post #1059 » by **PH1LLYSFINEST13** » Mon May 9, 2011 12:08 pm

F-Stop wrote:
kamazilla wrote:No way in hell would the Jazz give up Jefferson- a legit 18/10 with 2 blocks a game, who just finished playing every game this season, for Iguodala with his albatross of a contract. If I were Utah's GM, I would consider trading Millsap and Bell for Iggy and Minnesota's 2012 1st.

'Sap is vastly underpaid by NBA standards, while rated as a top 10 PF with a PER just under 20. This deal works for Utah because we have an overabundance of PFs and several players on rookie contracts who won't get paid till after Iggy's contract is done, and we are lacking a viable starter at the 2 or 3. I think it is a good deal for you guys too, but I can understand if you balk at the inclusion of the pick.

Don't agree - I think it is fair value . Al on paper had a good season but his contract is an albatross as well. Jazz trade Al for the same reason the 6ers trade Iggy. The development of Favors to become a better Al w-(defense) . The development of Turner to become a better Iggy w-(shooting).

As for Sap you can throw all the numbers you want out there and in the east he is a 3rd tier pf with very little upside left due to being 6'7. Numbers say he plays great but in the NBA its also about length and how you put it all together. Taking Sap just puts another bench player on this team. We trade a starter we get a starter.

I agree with F-Stop 100%
On top of everything he said , Milsap is supposedly moving to SF anyways because he is 6'7. We already have enough undersized 4's. I like Milsap , he is a good player , but he is not for this team. Another good point that was made is that Utah does have Derrick Favors. I could see an Al Jef swing especially after they shipped of D Will in the middle of the season. Nobody saw that coming but it happened. Utah would have one hell of a defense with Iguodala and AK47 on the floor at the same time.

dac4m · Post #1060 » by **dac4m** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:18 pm

Iggy and Lou Williams for Bynum and Derek Fisher