SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Foshan]

Big fan of Batum...not sure he's worth $10 million, but he's the type of ing player you need if you're going to contend.

I really like Batum... I wonder if a S&T around Batum/Hawes makes sense? I think Hawes has had enough flashes of 'decent center' that someone is going to pick him up for 6-10M per. Which is kinda where Batum could fall IMO. Hawes seems a decent compliment for LMA, especially if they are hoping to stay competitive while adding young talent at 6&11.

Iggy for Wes/#11/(filler-small pieces sent to other teams for cap/2nds?)

then

Bargs for Young/15

Post Draft

Batum for Hawes/small future incentive?

Vucevic for Okafor/rights to 10


Holiday/Vet
Turner/Matthews
Batum/ #11-Perry Jones
Bargs / Allen / / 54(DL)
Okafor / #10 Leonard / #43 Plumlee (DL)

Maybe that team stays competitive while still young and developing? Maybe different players at 10/11

[Kobblehead]

Regarding Batum..

Haven't we learned anything with Iguodala? We shouldn't invest at the icing before the cake!

*likes post*

[51X3RF4N]

I think Batum can play D and hit 3's. No he's not a #1 or #2 option on a championship team, but signing him wouldn't be for the purpose of making him #1 or #2 on the Sixers. He'd clearly be the 3rd option, if that. He's a guy that would be on the wing to hit open 3's and play defense.

Iggy isn't worth $15M, but he is worth $10M in my opinion. And Batum is probably worth $7-9M, seeing as how he can do things Andre can't, like hit a 3 with consistency, and he's 2 inches taller and 5 years younger than Andre. Also, he rarely ever turns the ball over, shoots much better at the FT line and 3pt line, and blocks more shots. Andre gets more assists and more steals, but the assist part is due to having control of the ball much more than Batum, also lending to Batum's lower T/O numbers.

But isn't that what everyone has been asking for? A player who can defend at SF, and hit open shots with 3pt range, who doesn't need the ball to be effective? That's what you get with Batum. The perfect complement to Turner and Jrue. And he's 23 years old, 6'8.

[Do the Jrue]

I love Batum, but if we made that deal and Jrue and Turner don't make the next step we could end up being stuck with Batum as our #1 option on offense. I just have no clue what to expect or what scenarios to even come up with because we could potentially have literally an entire new starting lineup besides maybe one player, or come out with the exact same starters besides Brand and Hawes.

And in regards to Kris Humphries a few pages back, I would LOVE to sign him depending on what it would take. Dudes strong in the post, grabs a ton of boards and is very athletic and unselfish. If the Nets upgraded their bench and went into next season with Deron-Morrow-Wallace-Hump-Lopez that may be a top 4 seed in the East IMO if everybody stays healthy. I'm jealous, I'd love that starting lineup in Philly.

[51X3RF4N]

How would Batum be the #1 option on offense? Why would that even be expected of him? He only scores 13ppg right now. Turner and Jrue took over the offense by the end of the playoff run from a guard/ball control perspective. If anything, the offense would flow better because Batum isn't Iggy and won't need to control the ball to be effective.

If they continue doing what they did (attacking the rim, dishing it to jump shooters, dumping it in the post) they will both score more and pick up more assists. If Batum is standing behind the arc waiting for a kick out pass from Jrue or Turner, and he scores 20ppg from open 3pt shots, why is that a problem?

I wouldn't just go out and sign Batum with no secondary moves, BTW.

Tons of options, but the bottom line is I want to build a team that includes guys who can hit 3pt shots. It is critical. See Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Sefolosha/Fisher or Battier/Wade/Lebron/Miller/Chalmers. Or Parker/Ginobili/Green/Jackson. Or even Deng/Rose/Hamilton/Korver/Watson.

[bsktbller]

Sixerfan -

I gotta say im extremely disappointed in what seems to be the sixers offseason plan.

It sounds like they plan to move their 2 veterans one a big man and the other a perimeter player for 2 other veterans, one a big man and one a perimeter player.

I dont see how the likes of Al Jefferson (or Gasol) and who? Lets say a guy like Deshawn Stevenson or Marquees danielles, Ray Allen, Nick Young, Rudy Furnandez, OJ Mayo etc improves the team when you're also subtracting brand and Igoudala.

Sounds like they are needlessly shuffling the deck just to compete for the 7th or 8th seed and lose in the 1st or 2nd round. Same as they have been for most of the last 9 years.

Basically they are banking on Jrue or Turner quckly becoming superstars (before Gasol gets too old) if they want to really compete for a championship. Otherwise we are looking at the same mediocrity while taking ourselves out of draft position and free agency to get that star player.

Why not let Jrue and Turner improve while positioning ourselves to draft a "potential star" player and or cap space to sign/trade for a star player?

It just wreaks of ignorance or foolish impatience to me.

[Do the Jrue]

You know what's one scenario that would be our best chance at landing a potential superstar that nobody has talked about? Trading Iguodala and Turner to the Thunder for James Harden and Sefolosha. The Thunder are going to have to let go of either Perkins or Harden because they won't have enough money to keep both of them and Iguodala would be a little bit cheaper than Harden and solidify their starting lineup even more. He would be a suped up version of what Sefolosha is for them right now, but a lot less of a weak link then he is. Then they would replace Harden with ET, a guy with a bunch of potential and can come off the bench for them as a solid 6th man.

For us, this gives us a potential superstar that can definitely average over 20 a game as the go-to guy in our offense. Then we replace what Iguodala does with Sefolosha, who can do Iguodala's job perfectly fine for us for a few years. I'd like to see the Sixers atleast explore this and see if they could possibly make a deal to land Harden. He could be a Joe Johnson-like player on another team as a starter.

[Bring Back 1983]

The problem with that logic (and I was once a believer in it too) is that it assumes that Harden won't accept an Iggy-level contract to stay on a team that will be a contender the next 8 years. I think he might. In fact Russell Westbrook set the precedent when he accepted less than max money to resign when he easily would have gotten that on the market.

To repeat something SF1976 said in an earlier post, we may overvalue Iggy a bit too much. It is very likely he will be a guy next year with recurring Achilles problems despite having a game based on athleticism who will playing out the last year of his contract because he is going to want to opt out to sign a new deal before he turns 30. We also have a guy 5 years younger who does a lot of what he does at one-third the pay.

And I'm at a loss how we cannot view having ANYONE who is a competent and contributing starter replace EB's salary slot as an improvement. This guy made 18 million to get put on the bench for a stretch of our playoff run. You cannot run him out there next year. He can mentor like Battie on someone else's bench.

Sometimes you have to see the opportunity where others don't. Memphis did that with Zack Randolph last year, when previously the Knicks couldn't give him away. I mean this year we made a playoff run on luck, let's at least try to do one on merit.

[kingofthecourt67]

The problem with that logic (and I was once a believer in it too) is that it assumes that Harden won't accept an Iggy-level contract to stay on a team that will be a contender the next 8 years. I think he might. In fact Russell Westbrook set the precedent when he accepted less than max money to resign when he easily would have gotten that on the market.

To repeat something SF1976 said in an earlier post, we may overvalue Iggy a bit too much. It is very likely he will be a guy next year with recurring Achilles problems despite having a game based on athleticism who will playing out the last year of his contract because he is going to want to opt out to sign a new deal before he turns 30. We also have a guy 5 years younger who does a lot of what he does at one-third the pay.

And I'm at a loss how we cannot view having ANYONE who is a competent and contributing starter replace EB's salary slot as an improvement. This guy made 18 million to get put on the bench for a stretch of our playoff run. You cannot run him out there next year. He can mentor like Battie on someone else's bench.

Sometimes you have to see the opportunity where others don't. Memphis did that with Zack Randolph last year, when previously the Knicks couldn't give him away. I mean this year we made a playoff run on luck, let's at least try to do one on merit.

Brand definitely isn't worth 18 million dollars. With that said, you shouldn't completely disregard the value he did provide to our team last year. He did a solid, sometimes spectacular, job on defense, and while his offense definitely is on the decline, I think his J is solid enough that he can still contribute. I don't see him being just a bench rider on anybody's team next year.

And I'd rather have EB for one more year/half a year if we trade him at the deadline rather than overpay someone like Humphries on a multiyear contract. We're going to most likely amnesty Brand to get rid of him...we still have to pay him money regardless. If we're not making a positive move with that freed up cap space, then we might as well keep him.

[Do the Jrue]

I'm sorry but Elton Brand at this point in his career is one of the worst starting power forwards in the league. I will say I appreciate his heart for going out every night like a true professional and playing his heart out, but the guys legs/feet/achilles are shot. I actually really do root for the guy because its not his fault with what happened to him injury wise and I would definitely not mind him signing back with us after we amnesty him to be a backup and continue to bring leadership and a veteran presence. But him remaining our starter because he played solid defense and could still hit a mid range jumper sometimes? No...there better be a new starting PF and C going into next season.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Quincy Miller, Terrence Ross and Mike Scott coming for a workout tomorrow. Glad to see they are at least looking at Miller (maybe we acquire a late 1st to get him?).

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[kingofthecourt67]

I'm sorry but Elton Brand at this point in his career is one of the worst starting power forwards in the league. I will say I appreciate his heart for going out every night like a true professional and playing his heart out, but the guys legs/feet/achilles are shot. I actually really do root for the guy because its not his fault with what happened to him injury wise and I would definitely not mind him signing back with us after we amnesty him to be a backup and continue to bring leadership and a veteran presence. But him remaining our starter because he played solid defense and could still hit a mid range jumper sometimes? No...there better be a new starting PF and C going into next season.

Point is...don't overpay someone just to replace him because we can use the amnesty. Rather him start than being locked into a horrible contract for 4 years.

[doctor him]

I'm sorry but Elton Brand at this point in his career is one of the worst starting power forwards in the league. I will say I appreciate his heart for going out every night like a true professional and playing his heart out, but the guys legs/feet/achilles are shot. I actually really do root for the guy because its not his fault with what happened to him injury wise and I would definitely not mind him signing back with us after we amnesty him to be a backup and continue to bring leadership and a veteran presence. But him remaining our starter because he played solid defense and could still hit a mid range jumper sometimes? No...there better be a new starting PF and C going into next season.

Point is...don't overpay someone just to replace him because we can use the amnesty. Rather him start than being locked into a horrible contract for 4 years.

More importantly...Brand expires next summer anyway. If "the right" move isn't out there it's best to wait. IMHO

However, the front office may feel like they can't wait until next summer that's a factor. Sometimes just shuffling the cards can keep the fanbase interested. With the Phillies struggling and the Eagles coming off a weak season, the Sixers have a window to make some inroads.

[GiantRobot]

With Thorn moving on next year I think it's unlikely the team will add any veterans or long term contracts and give the next guy as much of a blank slate as possible. Which could mean trading Iguodala for a draft pick could be more likely than previously thought.

[corwin]

I think Josh Harris is going to be making most of the major calls from here on in. He even sat in on the exit interviews. He'll work with Collins but the team is going to be built with his own vision in mind. I'll bet there's little desire to keep any of the holdovers & I expect Brand, Iguodala, Louis, & Hawes to be traded, amnestied, or whatever.

[Do the Jrue]

My prediction....Lou, Jrue, Lavoy, Vuc and one of ET or Iggy will be the only ones back with the Sixers after this offseason.

[mybestfiend]

Ugh if Lou is back I'll be pissed.

[Do the Jrue]

I don't understand why most Sixers fans don't want Lou back. Who else are we gonna have that can have that type of scoring punch off the bench? He's probably the 4th best 6th man in the league behind Manu, Harden and Jason Terry. Obviously he hurts our defense compared to Jrue and Turner, but he was our #1 option on this team....imagine what he could do if we had a legit #1 option to take the pressure off of him. We really take his scoring off the bench for granted, just about every team in the league would love to have him. He's one of the few offensive weapons on this team, we shouldn't just let him go unless he asks for way too much money or if we find a better replacement (Terry is a free agent, would come a lot cheaper, would be a little less of a defensive liability and could provide a TON of vet leadership). But I don't think Terry would come here unless we land a Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.

[PhilasFinest]

SF76 any word on if we like PJ3?

I'm seeing him fall past us in mocks, curious if we would swing for the fences with his upside if put in a position too ( similar to the holiday pick)

[geradix]

I don't understand why most Sixers fans don't want Lou back. Who else are we gonna have that can have that type of scoring punch off the bench? He's probably the 4th best 6th man in the league behind Manu, Harden and Jason Terry. Obviously he hurts our defense compared to Jrue and Turner, but he was our #1 option on this team....imagine what he could do if we had a legit #1 option to take the pressure off of him. We really take his scoring off the bench for granted, just about every team in the league would love to have him. He's one of the few offensive weapons on this team, we shouldn't just let him go unless he asks for way too much money or if we find a better replacement (Terry is a free agent, would come a lot cheaper, would be a little less of a defensive liability and could provide a TON of vet leadership). But I don't think Terry would come here unless we land a Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.

+1. Our anemic offense will miss Lou if he leaves. Lou is a great option to have off the bench, assuming he will re-sign for a reasonable contract. Like all players, he has his limitations. But it is certainly not his fault that Doug doesn't utilise his talents correctly.