Where is Nerlens?

[Sixerscan]

Uhhh I would do that pretty quickly. Klay is locked in for the next 3 years at less than 20% of the salary cap.

Feel like the Warriors want to run it with this squad for at least a year though.

[76thBearCub]

So I see both fan bases are talking about a Klay for Noel trade. Curious what you all think is a good even trade. One trade I am seeing over on our board is Klay for Noel and Saric. Whats your guys thought on that?

I'd do Noel/Stauskas/LAL pick for Klay/McGee/future 1st. Stauskas might actually be a great fit in GS TBH.

The LAL pick is top 3 protected right? Does it go unprotected if the pick is not given in 2017? I could see Noel/Saric/LAL pick.

Yes it is and yes it does. I can't see it but I would do it personally.

[76thBearCub]

Haven't watched Teague this year. It's early enough I don't put hardly any value in what has happened yet. I wouldn't be willing to give him a huge contract either.

But he is a pretty good rotation player, way better then most of our guards. And those guys from Toronto don't impress me at all.

So if you aren't willing to give him a long term contract, you are just trading him for this year and letting him walk? This would be really poor from a success cycle perspective.

If you are intending to sign him, you're reducing our options for free agency over the next few years. With Embiid and Simmons, our team is going to start looking attractive for free agents over the next few summers. It would be a shame if we weren't able to make a play for a top 30 player because we had Jeff Teague locked up.

Furthermore, what do you like about Teague specifically? From my experience, the people that wanted us to trade for him have a really shallow understanding of his skillset and how he would affect our team situation. They like him because they've heard of him and know he made an All Star team. Then you see arguments that he'd be "a pretty good rotation player, way better than most of our guards." He'd need to be significantly better than that to be worth both the immediate and long-term investment.

Powell and Wright both have potential to be good rotation players as well. They're both young with upside, addressing current needs while not limiting future options. Powell has solid 3 and D upside (though I'm wary about his shooting being overrated) and would give us another wing prospect we badly need. Wright is hurt now but would be a significant upgrade over TJ. Analytics liked him as a prospect as he gets to the line a lot and shoots well there. He should be a plus defender and his free throw % indicates some shooting upside.

Edit: Powell and Wright both have multiple years remaining of team control. Both are on extremely cheap deals with team options and we'd have RFA rights.

I don't need to over analyze what I would do with Teague. That's how little I value this Raptors rumor.

[ProcessDoctor]

So I see both fan bases are talking about a Klay for Noel trade. Curious what you all think is a good even trade. One trade I am seeing over on our board is Klay for Noel and Saric. Whats your guys thought on that?

I'd do Noel/Stauskas/LAL pick for Klay/McGee/future 1st. Stauskas might actually be a great fit in GS TBH.

The LAL pick is top 3 protected right? Does it go unprotected if the pick is not given in 2017? I could see Noel/Saric/LAL pick.

Don't think I would do the pick AND Saric. Stauskas or Covington + LAL pick would be fair IMO.

[Duke4life831]

I'd do Noel/Stauskas/LAL pick for Klay/McGee/future 1st. Stauskas might actually be a great fit in GS TBH.

The LAL pick is top 3 protected right? Does it go unprotected if the pick is not given in 2017? I could see Noel/Saric/LAL pick.

Yes it is and yes it does. I can't see it but I would do it personally.

Ya no way this trade actually goes down. As a GS fan that is very against Klay being traded, I would be down for a Klay for Noel/Saric/LAL pick trade.

[TTP]

Haven't watched Teague this year. It's early enough I don't put hardly any value in what has happened yet. I wouldn't be willing to give him a huge contract either.

But he is a pretty good rotation player, way better then most of our guards. And those guys from Toronto don't impress me at all.

So if you aren't willing to give him a long term contract, you are just trading him for this year and letting him walk? This would be really poor from a success cycle perspective.

If you are intending to sign him, you're reducing our options for free agency over the next few years. With Embiid and Simmons, our team is going to start looking attractive for free agents over the next few summers. It would be a shame if we weren't able to make a play for a top 30 player because we had Jeff Teague locked up.

Furthermore, what do you like about Teague specifically? From my experience, the people that wanted us to trade for him have a really shallow understanding of his skillset and how he would affect our team situation. They like him because they've heard of him and know he made an All Star team. Then you see arguments that he'd be "a pretty good rotation player, way better than most of our guards." He'd need to be significantly better than that to be worth both the immediate and long-term investment.

Powell and Wright both have potential to be good rotation players as well. They're both young with upside, addressing current needs while not limiting future options. Powell has solid 3 and D upside (though I'm wary about his shooting being overrated) and would give us another wing prospect we badly need. Wright is hurt now but would be a significant upgrade over TJ. Analytics liked him as a prospect as he gets to the line a lot and shoots well there. He should be a plus defender and his free throw % indicates some shooting upside.

Edit: Powell and Wright both have multiple years remaining of team control. Both are on extremely cheap deals with team options and we'd have RFA rights.

I don't need to over analyze what I would do with Teague. That's how little I value this Raptors rumor.

Yeah why put any thought into your opinions when you can just spew? That's what I expect from the guys who wanted Teague.

[Sixerscan]

This would basically be the Harden trade all over again. Even if you think Klay isn't the player Harden is they aren't going to risk pissing Durant off with something like this when he's a free agent next summer.

[76thBearCub]

So if you aren't willing to give him a long term contract, you are just trading him for this year and letting him walk? This would be really poor from a success cycle perspective.

If you are intending to sign him, you're reducing our options for free agency over the next few years. With Embiid and Simmons, our team is going to start looking attractive for free agents over the next few summers. It would be a shame if we weren't able to make a play for a top 30 player because we had Jeff Teague locked up.

Furthermore, what do you like about Teague specifically? From my experience, the people that wanted us to trade for him have a really shallow understanding of his skillset and how he would affect our team situation. They like him because they've heard of him and know he made an All Star team. Then you see arguments that he'd be "a pretty good rotation player, way better than most of our guards." He'd need to be significantly better than that to be worth both the immediate and long-term investment.

Powell and Wright both have potential to be good rotation players as well. They're both young with upside, addressing current needs while not limiting future options. Powell has solid 3 and D upside (though I'm wary about his shooting being overrated) and would give us another wing prospect we badly need. Wright is hurt now but would be a significant upgrade over TJ. Analytics liked him as a prospect as he gets to the line a lot and shoots well there. He should be a plus defender and his free throw % indicates some shooting upside.

Edit: Powell and Wright both have multiple years remaining of team control. Both are on extremely cheap deals with team options and we'd have RFA rights.

I don't need to over analyze what I would do with Teague. That's how little I value this Raptors rumor.

Yeah why put any thought into your opinions when you can just spew? That's what I expect from the guys who wanted Teague.

Doesn't need much thought when the alternative is 3rd stringers from the Raptors.

I said I valued Teague over the speculated players coming back from Toronto.

You are making assumptions.

[Kobblehead]

So where would you rank Klay?

Not even Top 30. I'd have to go through a meticulous rundown for a specific placement.

No way.

It's the truth. Klay has an ideal skillset in that his jumpshot is insane. Other than that, he's just not very great. People overrate the hell out of Bradley Beal for the same reasons. These guys are not super good basketball players.

[Unbreakable99]

Not even Top 30. I'd have to go through a meticulous rundown for a specific placement.

No way.

It's the truth. Klay has an ideal skillset in that his jumpshot is insane. Other than that, he's just not very great. People overrate the hell out of Bradley Beal for the same reasons. These guys are not super good basketball players.

He's better than Beal though. I do agree that his defense is overrated but he's still top 15. He's not a franchise player so I put all franchise players over him but there aren't too many legitimate franchise players. Klay is a great number 2 option. As far as SGs I wouldn't take anyone else over him. I know very good SGs have declined but still. Klay can't carry a team as the number one option by that doesn't mean he isn't a top 15 player.

[TTP]

I don't need to over analyze what I would do with Teague. That's how little I value this Raptors rumor.

Yeah why put any thought into your opinions when you can just spew? That's what I expect from the guys who wanted Teague.

Doesn't need much thought when the alternative is 3rd stringers from the Raptors.

I said I valued Teague over the speculated players coming back from Toronto.

You are making assumptions.

Right you said you valued him higher but wouldn't want to give him a big long term deal, which means you value having him for just the 2016-2017 season and then letting him go right?

It's disingenuous to label them as 3rd stringers. Powell is their backup SG and Wright would be the backup PG on most teams but is buried because the Raptors have a ton of depth. Both are the equivalent of mid-late 1st rounders from last season. Powell almost certainly goes top 20 if 2015 were redrafted.

[Kobblehead]

No way.

It's the truth. Klay has an ideal skillset in that his jumpshot is insane. Other than that, he's just not very great. People overrate the hell out of Bradley Beal for the same reasons. These guys are not super good basketball players.

He's better than Beal though. I do agree that his defense is overrated but he's still top 15. He's not a franchise player so I put all franchise players over him but there aren't too many legitimate franchise players. Klay is a great number 2 option. As far as SGs I wouldn't take anyone else over him. I know very good SGs have declined but still. Klay can't carry a team a super the number one option by that doesn't mean he isn't a top 15 player.

That's cool that you're a fan of him and all, but you're overrating him to all hell and ignoring like 25+ better basketball players if you think Klay is top 15.

Also, Klay is a #3, at best. He masqueraded as a #2 for a couple years next to an offensive gawd. Him as a #2 on any other team would be tragic.

[76thBearCub]

Yeah why put any thought into your opinions when you can just spew? That's what I expect from the guys who wanted Teague.

Doesn't need much thought when the alternative is 3rd stringers from the Raptors.

I said I valued Teague over the speculated players coming back from Toronto.

You are making assumptions.

Right you said you valued him higher but wouldn't want to give him a big long term deal, which means you value having him for just the 2016-2017 season and then letting him go right?

It's disingenuous to label them as 3rd stringers. Powell is their backup SG and Wright would be the backup PG on most teams but is buried because the Raptors have a ton of depth. Both are the equivalent of mid-late 1st rounders from last season. Powell almost certainly goes top 20 if 2015 were redrafted.

I don't value 2 mid-late first rounders from last season very highly if that helps move things along.

[ankle420breaker]

OVERPAY FOR KLAY

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[TTP]

Doesn't need much thought when the alternative is 3rd stringers from the Raptors.

I said I valued Teague over the speculated players coming back from Toronto.

You are making assumptions.

Right you said you valued him higher but wouldn't want to give him a big long term deal, which means you value having him for just the 2016-2017 season and then letting him go right?

It's disingenuous to label them as 3rd stringers. Powell is their backup SG and Wright would be the backup PG on most teams but is buried because the Raptors have a ton of depth. Both are the equivalent of mid-late 1st rounders from last season. Powell almost certainly goes top 20 if 2015 were redrafted.

I don't value 2 mid-late first rounders from last season very highly if that helps move things along.

2 mid-late first rounders from a strong draft is worth more than one season of Jeff Teague.

[76thBearCub]

Right you said you valued him higher but wouldn't want to give him a big long term deal, which means you value having him for just the 2016-2017 season and then letting him go right?

It's disingenuous to label them as 3rd stringers. Powell is their backup SG and Wright would be the backup PG on most teams but is buried because the Raptors have a ton of depth. Both are the equivalent of mid-late 1st rounders from last season. Powell almost certainly goes top 20 if 2015 were redrafted.

I don't value 2 mid-late first rounders from last season very highly if that helps move things along.

2 mid-late first rounders from a strong draft is worth more than one season of Jeff Teague.

I think it would probably depend on what you were trying to accomplish.

[TTP]

Teague was traded for Taurean Prince, who is currently the Hawks third string SF. By the logic for which you evaluate trades, Teague is worth one third stringer. Powell is currently a second stringer and Delon is a third. So the opportunity cost of Teague is a second stringer and third stringer yet his value is only a third stringer. Seems like the alternative is better.

[76thBearCub]

Teague was traded for Taurean Prince, who is currently the Hawks third string SF. By the logic for which you evaluate trades, Teague is worth one third stringer. Powell is currently a second stringer and Delon is a third. So the opportunity cost of Teague is a second stringer and third stringer yet his value is only a third stringer. Seems like the alternative is better.

I'm not entirely convinced that you understand my logic.

[TTP]

Teague was traded for Taurean Prince, who is currently the Hawks third string SF. By the logic for which you evaluate trades, Teague is worth one third stringer. Powell is currently a second stringer and Delon is a third. So the opportunity cost of Teague is a second stringer and third stringer yet his value is only a third stringer. Seems like the alternative is better.

I'm not entirely convinced that you understand my logic.

Have you actually used any?

[76thBearCub]

It's the truth. Klay has an ideal skillset in that his jumpshot is insane. Other than that, he's just not very great. People overrate the hell out of Bradley Beal for the same reasons. These guys are not super good basketball players.

He's better than Beal though. I do agree that his defense is overrated but he's still top 15. He's not a franchise player so I put all franchise players over him but there aren't too many legitimate franchise players. Klay is a great number 2 option. As far as SGs I wouldn't take anyone else over him. I know very good SGs have declined but still. Klay can't carry a team a super the number one option by that doesn't mean he isn't a top 15 player.

That's cool that you're a fan of him and all, but you're overrating him to all hell and ignoring like 25+ better basketball players if you think Klay is top 15.

Also, Klay is a #3, at best. He masqueraded as a #2 for a couple years next to an offensive gawd. Him as a #2 on any other team would be tragic.

I would be impressed if you could list me 30 players better then Klay like you said in the other thread.