2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[LloydFree]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

[Mik317]

Fultz doesn't win games. reverse Vince young.


/jk

[Unbreakable99]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

[phantom84]

Hope Fultz fall to us in the draft, clear cut best player in this draft for me.

[sixerswillrule]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

He has the physical tools to be a much better defender than a former #1 pick who just played a huge role in winning an NBA championship. And the skill level to be a similar offensive player.

[LloydFree]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

Because he's a Freshman, I don't want to put him in a box an declare a ceiling for him. He's a very hard judge for me. His lack of athleticism scares me a bit and I struggle to recall a star player that moves like him. CJ McCollum maybe? He really made it hard to judge him, going to play at Washington, with lesser talent and playing against weak competition. But even with that, he doesn't stand out physically against the opposition.

[sixerhp3]

DSJ with 27, 11, and 11 tonight. I want this guy.

[eagereyez]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

Because he's a Freshman, I don't want to put him in a box an declare a ceiling for him. He's a very hard judge for me. His lack of athleticism scares me a bit and I struggle to recall a star player that moves like him. CJ McCollum maybe? He really made it hard to judge him, going to play at Washington, with lesser talent and playing against weak competition. But even with that, he doesn't stand out physically against the opposition.

The Pac-12 is one of the stronger conferences in the NCAA. It has 4 ranked teams, and the #4 team in the nation that beat Kentucky at Kentucky. I'm tired of people bringing this up like he's playing in the Sun Belt or something. We'll see how he performs as the inter-conference play continues.

[Dave321]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

Why do you not see his shot translating?

His form is horrible. Very low awkward release point. Mediocre free throw shooter.

[LloydFree]

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

Because he's a Freshman, I don't want to put him in a box an declare a ceiling for him. He's a very hard judge for me. His lack of athleticism scares me a bit and I struggle to recall a star player that moves like him. CJ McCollum maybe? He really made it hard to judge him, going to play at Washington, with lesser talent and playing against weak competition. But even with that, he doesn't stand out physically against the opposition.

The Pac-12 is one of the stronger conferences in the NCAA. It has 4 ranked teams, and the #4 team in the nation that beat Kentucky at Kentucky. I'm tired of people bringing this up like he's playing in the Sun Belt or something. We'll see how he performs as the inter-conference play continues.

How do you think he looked last night?

[Negrodamus]

I'm on the Monk, DSJ, Jackson bandwagon.

Besides those three, I really, really like guys who will fall between the late lottery and end of the first round: guys like Hart, Dozier, Huron, etc.

[eagereyez]

Because he's a Freshman, I don't want to put him in a box an declare a ceiling for him. He's a very hard judge for me. His lack of athleticism scares me a bit and I struggle to recall a star player that moves like him. CJ McCollum maybe? He really made it hard to judge him, going to play at Washington, with lesser talent and playing against weak competition. But even with that, he doesn't stand out physically against the opposition.

The Pac-12 is one of the stronger conferences in the NCAA. It has 4 ranked teams, and the #4 team in the nation that beat Kentucky at Kentucky. I'm tired of people bringing this up like he's playing in the Sun Belt or something. We'll see how he performs as the inter-conference play continues.

How do you think he looked last night?

If Im being honest his defense was really bad. I can't tell if it's him or the coaching, because the entire team is lost on defense. They get murdered in transition by guys just running to the corner 3. Also not super athletic like you said. Probably a little quicker than Russell. He can jump though. Surprised a kid with a chasedown LeBlock. Part of that is his huge wingspan, which is the first thing you notice when looking at him. UW has some stiffs in the front court. He lost 2 assists because his centers missed open layups. He gets 0 easy buckets playing with this team.

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[Ericb5]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

Why do you not see his shot translating?

His form is horrible. Very low awkward release point. Mediocre free throw shooter.

His form is weird, and it will probably limit his ability to speed up his release, but he can hit an open shot from the next county. He can still be a floor spacer.

[gags1288]

[quote="Negrodamus"]I'm on the Monk, DSJ, Jackson bandwagon.

Besides those three, I really, really like guys who will fall between the late lottery and end of the first round: guys like Hart, Dozier, Huron, etc.[/quote]

I don't get the appeal of monk, way too one dimensional to be a top pick in a draft like this one. I think some hybrid of jr smith, Jamal Crawford, and monte Ellis is a reasonable comp.

Taking fit and talent into account, I have the draft something like this (in no particular order in each tier):

Tier 1
Fultz
Dsj
Jackson

Tier 2
Ball
Tatum

Tier 3
Giles (tier 1 talent if healthy, but even then not a good fit)
Monk
Isaac
Anunby
Fox
Ntilikina

[Negrodamus]

What I don't get are these Monk comparisons to offensive black holes. If anything,he's in the mold of Ray Allen or a 3pt shooting Richard Hamilton. He's finding ways to get himself open rather than pounding the rock. And when he dies get the ball, it's out of his hands in less than 4 seconds.

[ProcessDoctor]

What I don't get are these Monk comparisons to offensive black holes. If anything,he's in the mold of Ray Allen or a 3pt shooting Richard Hamilton. He's finding ways to get himself open rather than pounding the rock. And when he dies get the ball, it's out of his hands in less than 4 seconds.

This. He's shooting very good percentages and is averaging a shade under 23 ppg on 16 shots/game. He's not a chucker and isn't forcing bad shots by any means. Plus, the role he would have on this team would primarily be to score points, which makes it ok that he isn't an all-world defender/facilitator/rebounder.

[Snotbubbles]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

The answer really depends on where the Lakers pick is (or if it even conveys). If you got the #1 and say #5-7 you go Jackson and take the best available PG/SG at 5.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I got a good look at Fultz last night. Definitely a talented offensive player, but I don't see a winner when I watch him play. That being said he might fit perfectly with Embiid and Simmons. Based on fit, I think he'd be a better option for us over Lonzo Ball at the moment, but if you ask me who I think is the more talented player I'm going with Ball all day. Ball has a funny looking shot, but he's a two way player and a plug in starter from day one in the NBA. I think Fultz is a much better scorer, and the Russell comparisons are fairly accurate. Fultz also seems like a better overall athlete than Russell.
I haven't seen Dennis Smith play yet....looking forward to that. As of right now I think Ball is the better prospect because of his defense and ability to make others around him better, but Fultz is probably the better fit for us as I said. Just my opinion, I don't know ****, just what I see.

[smittybanton]

It's really surprising to me that many people see Markel Fultz as the no-doubt #1 pick in the draft. I like his skill level, but he is not impressive physically at all.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. If we drafted him I would be very happy. I just don't see him a tier above the rest. He's on the same plain as the other top prospect. If we got the number one pick as of today I'm not sure which way I would go. I think I would lean Fultz as of today but why not jackson especially if the Lakers pick conveys. If we get fortunate enough to get two top 10 picks there are about 4 PGs who are close. Fultz Ball DSJ Fox. Maybe go jackson then get whichever PG is remaining. I don't know. All I know I'd here is no clear cut number one at this time.

The answer really depends on where the Lakers pick is (or if it even conveys). If you got the #1 and say #5-7 you go Jackson and take the best available PG/SG at 5.

I agree with all three of you, except i'm taking Jayson Tatum, then a guard. Once Ben comes back, I doubt we're getting the #1 pick.

[smittybanton]

Harry Giles was really impressive last night! Was making an impact on defense even though he didn't look 100%. I can't see Boston passing him up, even with the injury history. Minnesota as well, or even Dallas. Should push some others to us, assuming we don't get a top3 pick.