Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

TTP · Post #1041 » by **TTP** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:45 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Another thing is Jah and Embidd started in front court together however Nerlens and Embiid have not. Nerlens as a high paid strictly back up center makes 0 sense. Especially the value he has as a starter . I bet its Noel being showcased . Jah has also skimmed down drastically in the last month playing alot with saric a "core " piece. I think Jah will be here and Noel will be traded.

I think the fact that they haven't done much due diligence on the Embiid/Noel pairing yet makes it less likely that Noel gets moved, not more.

I also don't understand how you can follow the past few days' events and come to the conclusion that Okafor is likely to stay (on top of the fact that Okafor has been an atrocious fit since day one).

SparksFly87 · Post #1042 » by **SparksFly87** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:49 pm

Signing Noel with Embiid as a center piece makes zero sense. They never even tried to play Noel and Embiid together but they tried Okafor in a few games as starters. Noel has the highiest value for deadline return . Okafors contract has flexibility at during the draft and multiple seasons. Okafor is still a project . Noel we know what he can do. I have a feeling we are showcasing Noel. Resting Jah, Jojo and Simmons for longterm.

MNSixerFan · Post #1043 » by **MNSixerFan** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:51 pm

They have to have a trade in place and it is just a matter of time until they announce it. No way any GM can be so incompetent....is there?

TTP · Post #1044 » by **TTP** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:51 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Signing Noel with Embiid as a center piece makes zero sense. They never even tried to play Noel and Embiid together but they tried Okafor in a few games as starters. Noel has the highiest value for deadline return . Okafors contract has flexibility at during the draft and multiple seasons. Okafor is still a project . Noel we know what he can do. I have a feeling we are showcasing Noel. Resting Jah, Jojo and Simmons for longterm.

Announcing that you're sitting Okafor and not having him travel with the team because you're in advanced trade discussions while secretly having the intention to keep him makes sense though?

kriss73 · Post #1045 » by **kriss73** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:52 pm

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SparksFly87 · Post #1046 » by **SparksFly87** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:55 pm

Nothing is out of the question . Nothing has happened... I have a feeling Noel is the one we move. This team is really young we don't even have Simmons and Embiid on the core together to determine who is a fit and who isnt. Okafor has years left on his deal and potential. Noel is about to get paid. They could be letting him showcase as "the guy" to teams . Okafor offers are putrid . Noel I am confident gets you better deals while not hampering your longterm flexibility with a role playing back up center.

Agnostifarian · Post #1047 » by **Agnostifarian** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:56 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:He should have never said that. But at the same time, he had to posture for other teams, so he didn't look desperate. At this point it's not Colangelo's fault if the 76ers don't get a good return for Okafor. Teams usually don't get good returns for bad players. People expecting a good return for Okafor have unrealistic expectations. For a bad player you expect a bad return, and anything more is a bonus.

I agree.

You can't get blood from a stone, but he should have kept his mouth shut. I have a basic respect that I extend to everyone that I don't know, when they do things that I don't understand, which is that I assume that they are acting rationally. So when the team did what they did with Okafor this weekend I HAVE to believe that they were acting rationally, and that they already had a deal in place that they were comfortable with. Other wise what they did makes NO SENSE.

If they didn't have a deal that they were agreeable to at that point then he really screwed the pooch on this, or maybe one of the teams screwed him by going back on their word, OR we will end up having an announcement today at some point where a respectable deal is announced.

Perhaps you made a mistake before assuming that Brian is acting rationally. You might want to think about whether he is competent. A "No" answer should clear up any confusion.

TTP · Post #1048 » by **TTP** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:57 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Nothing is out of the question . Nothing has happened... I have a feeling Noel is the one we move. This team is really young we don't even have Simmons and Embiid on the core together to determine who is a fit and who isnt. Okafor has years left on his deal and potential. Noel is about to get paid. They could be letting him showcase as "the guy" to teams . Okafor offers are putrid . Noel I am confident gets you better deals while not hampering your longterm flexibility with a role playing back up center.

Something has happened - we literally announced we were in discussions to move Okafor. I don't understand why you think a team would do that if their plan is to keep him all along.

Also, I'm not sure why you're suggesting we are showcasing Noel. We played Okafor as the starter and Noel as the backup several times. We're starting Noel now because Okafor is being held out for trade discussions (and also because the team plays poorly when Okafor plays).

Negrodamus · Post #1049 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:57 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Nothing is out of the question . Nothing has happened... I have a feeling Noel is the one we move. This team is really young we don't even have Simmons and Embiid on the core together to determine who is a fit and who isnt. Okafor has years left on his deal and potential. Noel is about to get paid. They could be letting him showcase as "the guy" to teams . Okafor offers are putrid . Noel I am confident gets you better deals while not hampering your longterm flexibility with a role playing back up center.

Didn't Colangelo say he wanted to see more of Noel and Embiid on the court together? Doesn't sound like he's ready to move him. I'm sure he'd entertain it if the right offer came down, but I think he wants to force that grouping together post-Okafor.

Vince5693 · Post #1050 » by **Vince5693** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:58 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Vince5693 wrote:
LloydFree wrote:That's nothing but fantasy. Nobody is going to trade back from one of the premium players in this draft in order to get Okafor.

I'm not talking about moving from 8 to 1, I'm thinking more of a jump from say 6 to 3-4 and throwing in a few 2nd rounders to sweeten the deal

Think what you want. Nobody is trading back, from a top 4 pick in this draft, in order to get Jahlil Okafor and a lesser player. Imagine the 76ers get the #3 pick in this draft, and Orlando offers Mario Hezonja and the #6 pick to move back. You expect the 76ers to move back, away from Lonzo Ball and Josh Jackson, in order to take on Orlando's Bust? That's what you think another team is going to do with the 76ers, for Okafor? It's ridiculous to even think it's a possibility.

Okafor is not hezonja.
The top 3 players are fultz, ball, and Jackson right?
Then next 4 are smith, Tatum, Isaac, and Markkanen?
So you're telling me a team like Min or NOP wouldn't trade back from 4 to 6 to select one of the next tier guys? In the process they're getting a flawed Okafor(who they may see potential in), 2nds and still getting a guy who may ultimately fit better.

I know this is very hypothetical but still realistic

TTP · Post #1051 » by **TTP** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:00 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Nothing is out of the question . Nothing has happened... I have a feeling Noel is the one we move. This team is really young we don't even have Simmons and Embiid on the core together to determine who is a fit and who isnt. Okafor has years left on his deal and potential. Noel is about to get paid. They could be letting him showcase as "the guy" to teams . Okafor offers are putrid . Noel I am confident gets you better deals while not hampering your longterm flexibility with a role playing back up center.

Didn't Colangelo say he wanted to see more of Noel and Embiid on the court together? Doesn't sound like he's ready to move him. I'm sure he'd entertain it if the right offer came down, but I think he wants to force that grouping together post-Okafor.

Yeah he did, and it would be foolish not to. We know both players have been successful on their own - we need to know if they can be successful together.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1052 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:01 pm

Someone get the welcome back Okafor thread ready to submit for when no deal is done lol. Omg I'm going to be sick.

SparksFly87 · Post #1053 » by **SparksFly87** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:05 pm

If Colangelo wanted Noel and Embiid on the court together we would of seen it more by now. Heard about it in practice. Noel claims to be a center. Jah was the one flexible to playing with Embiid . So it happened. I assure you paying Noel as a back up will be a mess .

LloydFree · Post #1054 » by **LloydFree** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:07 pm

OleSchool wrote:
wickedwrister wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Colangelo thought a deal was imminent on Saturday and then the Blazers/Nuggets made a deal Sunday which killed his deal? I'm starting to wonder if either Portland or Denver used Philly to up their leverage and now Colangelo is boxed in and feeling forced to trade Jah by tonight.

my feeling is BC had to divert attention from him lying on 97.5 and WIP the day before so he had to float this out there to divert the attention away from Embiid's MCL tear

I've thought this since the trade rumor was leaked. He may have done this to say to the fans, "hey look,were still trading Okafor, we wouldn't do this if the injury was severe".

He'd rather have this minor uprising over an impending trade, than the mass hysteria that would have been caused by dbodner's scoop (click bait).

MNSixerFan · Post #1055 » by **MNSixerFan** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:16 pm

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TTP · Post #1056 » by **TTP** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:17 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:If Colangelo wanted Noel and Embiid on the court together we would of seen it more by now. Heard about it in practice. Noel claims to be a center. Jah was the one flexible to playing with Embiid . So it happened. I assure you paying Noel as a back up will be a mess .

No matter how little sense you think it makes to keep Noel, it makes even less sense to think that the team is intending to keep Okafor after the last few days' events, and I have no idea how anyone can rationally believe otherwise.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1057 » by **Unbreakable99** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:24 pm

I just want to hear what BC will say if Okafor is still on the team for the next few days.

Ericb5 · Post #1058 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:30 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
I agree.

You can't get blood from a stone, but he should have kept his mouth shut. I have a basic respect that I extend to everyone that I don't know, when they do things that I don't understand, which is that I assume that they are acting rationally. So when the team did what they did with Okafor this weekend I HAVE to believe that they were acting rationally, and that they already had a deal in place that they were comfortable with. Other wise what they did makes NO SENSE.

If they didn't have a deal that they were agreeable to at that point then he really screwed the pooch on this, or maybe one of the teams screwed him by going back on their word, OR we will end up having an announcement today at some point where a respectable deal is announced.

Perhaps you made a mistake before assuming that Brian is acting rationally. You might want to think about whether he is competent. A "No" answer should clear up any confusion.

Perhaps. It would be gross negligence to basically allow Okafor to say his goodbye's and leave the team if there wasn't a firm deal at the time. Of course, if there WAS a firm deal we would be getting leaks to that effect if for no other reason than for Bryan to take his feet out of the fire.

If there is any truth to the Pelican's rumors with the Nets then they clearly didn't give any promises to Bryan, and that would just leave the Bulls.

I am sort of stunned by all of this. The injury stuff doesn't surprise or bother me because it is rational to withhold information if you can get away with it. Plus I believe them that the meniscus tear isn't what is causing Embiid to sit. This Okafor stuff just doesn't seem rational to me, and extending him the benefit of the doubt is getting precarious.

Ericb5 · Post #1059 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:35 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I just want to hear what BC will say if Okafor is still on the team for the next few days.

In the history of the NBA, I can't think of a situation where someone was basically pulled from the lineup because of a trade, and then the trade didn't get announced or leaked within 24 hours. The fact that we still haven't even heard of a deal is really quite astonishing.

It really implies that there IS no deal, and if we thought it was dumb for Bryan to announce his intentions during the summer, then this takes dumb to a whole other level.

Arsenal · Post #1060 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:37 pm

This is a clown show.

Holding Okafor out because of a pending trade, and even allowing Brett Brown to announce it to the media. Then NOT trading him? Really?

On top of the mismanagement and lying about the Embiid injury. Why TF did he play in the Houston game? Why didn't they announce he had a torn meniscus and try to hide it until Bodner reported it?

This organization is a joke. The best, most professional part of it is no longer here.