Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[JojoSlimbiid]

Really find Celtics fans obsession over Fultz and this team in general puzzling. You "clearly" won the trade 33 games into year one. Go enjoy that. Why keep coming in here trying to check the temperature? Maybe if we had a Fultz v Tatum thread 30+ pages deep like they do they would feel better? Even stranger some of them keeping up with his whole rehab too...it's bizarre. Almost as if your waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Also a not so bold prediction brought to you by the same guy that predicted before we even made the trade official that the Fultz thread had a 0% chance of not ending up complete garbage. Watch the narrative quickly change on Fultz, he's a bust aka the next Evan "44% on 25 3's" Turner we got robbed all of the sudden shift to "Umm uhh well he only looks good because he's playing with Simmons and Embiid". "No other player in the draft is in a better situation blah blah blah".

[sixers hoops]

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My question to 76er fans is, what would fultz at this point need to accomplish for the trade to be considered a win for the 76ers? Tatum leads the league in 3pt% still at a 50% clip (attempted over 100). What kind of contributions are you looking forward to from fultz that you would consider satisfactory and worthy of trading the 3pt leader and a future lottery pick for ? Not looking for reactions, only a serious discussion.

Obviously, he would have to be better than Tatum for the trade to be a win. I think if Fultz ends up better than Tatum I will be okay with the trade. I don’t know that the Sixers thought they were getting a perennial All-Star in Fultz as much as they needed outside shooting desperately around Embiid and Simmons. In my opinion, Colangelo thought Fultz was clearly the best fit with Embiid and Simmons, and since Hinkie left him a safe full of picks, he decided to use that luxury to go for what he perceived as best talent and fit.

If Fultz and Tatum are comparable, I’ll be okay. But for the Sixers to justify giving up a likely top 10 pick and “win” the trade, Fultz should probably make several All-Star games.

As someone who seen most of his Fultz footage from draft express scouting videos, I didn’t really have an informed opinion as to where Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Josh Jackson, DSJ, etc ranked, but I wanted to stay put and take Jackson. However, I’m really excited to see Fultz play and hope he has the shot we draft him for.

[Kolkmania]

fake news. this was the flattest top seven since 2014. my recollection is that a plurality liked fultz, and plenty of gms liked one of the other top six players. there's only three or four reporters with access to nba gms. so i'm very curious about where this consensus opinion came from. commenters on realgm?

besides that, availability is a skill. its interesting that an analyst would ignore the fact that he's unavailable after hurting himself by himself. had he been injured like this before the draft, it would've been something to consider then. so its something to consider now. if he's physically or mentally fragile, then that negates any advantage he had over DSJ in my eyes (besides the long arms, lol).

rooting for fultz. not blind to what's happening though. maybe the 'analytics' experts can pull the numbers of all the players who missed half a season working out by themselves and see how they fare for the rest of their career.

The same GM's who thought that Jahlil Okafor, Kris Dunn and Lonzo Ball would become the ROTY? I'm quite sure that the GM's who are actually involved in the lottery discussion don't give their opinions on the top prospects to reporters, it's way too valuable.

[B]Nearly every [u]reporter who spent hundreds of hours analyzing the draft[u] came up with Fultz on top of the board[b], does that mean he'll be the best player of the draft? No. It's nearly ****ing impossible to project a player's outcome because of the million factors influencing that outcome and so many are yet unknown.

Blake Griffin, Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons missed plenty of time and are doing fine now. Let's turn it around, which rookie busted because he didn't play in his first 40 games in the NBA?

You actually believe Reporters spend hundreds of hours analyzing the draft

Absolutely.

You just have to know which writers are actually reliable and form their own opinion and won't base their opinion on a DraftExpress big board, etc.

[BullyKing]

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My question to 76er fans is, what would fultz at this point need to accomplish for the trade to be considered a win for the 76ers? Tatum leads the league in 3pt% still at a 50% clip (attempted over 100). What kind of contributions are you looking forward to from fultz that you would consider satisfactory and worthy of trading the 3pt leader and a future lottery pick for ? Not looking for reactions, only a serious discussion.

You've been warned repeatedly about trolling on this board. This is clearly more of the same. Next time will be a board ban.

[jbent87]

Crazy how much in BCs pocket Keith Pompey is. Not that he is ever breaking anything worthwhile, but these little nuggets always seem to come from him.

[BullyKing]

Crazy how much in BCs pocket Keith Pompey is. Not that he is ever breaking anything worthwhile, but these little nuggets always seem to come from him.

I don't think its BC as if I recall he also first alluded to the eventual Thad to Minny trade and broke the news about Joel's setback before the 2015 draft. So I think he has actual sources. Which is his only redeeming quality because he is one of the worst reporters I've ever encountered.

[LloydFree]

The second the trade was made, there was zero chance the 76ers could "win" the trade. I'm hoping he can at least make it to the level of J'rue Holiday, just so it isn't an unmitigated disaster of a trade. But even then, if Boston gets Ayton or another talented big, to go along with Tatum (who many of us thought was Danny Granger level pre-draft) then Boston wins the trade big, even if Fultz becomes a decent player.

Colangelo made that deal for a "fit" as if the 76ers aren't competing with the Celtics to get to the championship. Its one thing to make a deal that makes your team better, but its another to make the competitor (you are trading with) 2x better than you made yourself. Danny Ainge understands that. Colangelo doesn't.

[OFWGKTA]

On behalf of the Celtics board I'd like to apologize for that guys unnecessary post, though I don't think he even posts there tbh.

[OFWGKTA]

The second the trade was made, there was zero chance the 76ers could "win" the trade. I'm hoping he can at least make it to the level of J'rue Holiday, just so it isn't an unmitigated disaster of a trade. But even then, if Boston gets Ayton or another talented big, to go along with Tatum (who many of us thought was Danny Granger level pre-draft) then Boston wins the trade big, even if Fultz becomes a decent player.

What's not ever mentioned is the extra benefits Colangelo gave Boston by making this dumb trade. If Boston doesn't get what they believe will be a top of pick, who's to say they feel comfortable enough to trade their prized Brooklyn pick for Kyrie Irving. We gave them a replacement for that pick.

Colangelo made that deal for a "fit" as if the 76ers aren't competing with the Celtics to get to the championship. Its one thing to make a deal that makes your team better, but its another to make the competitor (you are trading with) 2x better than you made yourself. Danny Ainge understands that. Colangelo doesn't.

That's a good point, we know from the Cavs holding up the trade that Ainge wasn't willing to give anymore real assets to make it happen, who knows if he'd give up the Brooklyn pick at all if he didn't have the LAL18 to fall back on. On another note, it was reported that Kyrie first asked for a trade before the draft. I wonder if the prospect of Kyrie being available influenced the BOS/PHIL trade at all from Ainge's prospective. Cause he went from having IT/#1/BRK18 to having Kyrie/Tatum/LAL18.

[Kobblehead]

If he's not rusty. Guy has basically played 2 weeks of competitive basketball in the last calendar year.

I imagine his efficiency will be poor as he works his way back, but the presence of a shotcreator on the court will make a sizeable difference. Plus, the guys with bloated roles in his absence will fall back into playing more suitable roles for their skillsets. We'll see less Covington putting the ball on the floor. Less Bayless/McConnell/Redick in 30+ minutes nights. Things like that.

[Monix]

Crazy how much in BCs pocket Keith Pompey is. Not that he is ever breaking anything worthwhile, but these little nuggets always seem to come from him.

Pompey is terrible, team hasn't had a good writer on the beat since Kate Fagan.

Bodner was my go-to until he hid behind a pay wall

[PhilasFinest]

If he's not rusty. Guy has basically played 2 weeks of competitive basketball in the last calendar year.

I imagine his efficiency will be poor as he works his way back, but the presence of a shotcreator on the court will make a sizeable difference. Plus, the guys with bloated roles in his absence will fall back into playing more suitable roles for their skillsets. We'll see less Covington putting the ball on the floor. Less Bayless/McConnell/Redick in 30+ minutes nights. Things like that.

Yea thats my hope. Im sure he will be given a green light as well, so hopefully he comes out hungry and attacking.

[PhilasFinest]

Crazy how much in BCs pocket Keith Pompey is. Not that he is ever breaking anything worthwhile, but these little nuggets always seem to come from him.

Pompey is terrible, team hasn't had a good writer on the beat since Kate Fagan.

Bodner was my go-to until he hid behind a pay wall

Kind of a ridiculous quote there. You mean, until he took a job and is trying to get paid a bit?

god forbid somebody tries to make a living at something.

[Kobblehead]

Fultz working his way into that secondary scoring role behind Embiid would be invaluable for this team. With Simmons' current limited scoring package, he'd probably be more comfortable vacating that spot for the time being.

Even though he's averaging 17, whether or not he gets to that mid-to-high volume mark on a given night is usually at the mercy of the other team not having a rim protector or them giving up a handful of transition buckets to him

On nights where Ben is forced to get half-court buckets, he usually falls on the low end of his scoring spectrum.

[sixerswillrule]

BTW, Givony and Schmitz were both (relatively) down on Simmons, and I had him clear-cut #1. Givony and Schmitz were both down on Porzingis, and I had him 3/4 all year. I have my own opinions, as right or as wrong as they may be, thank you very much.

No mention of where you had Okafor... Interesting

Because I didn't disagree strongly with Schmitz or Givony on Okafor. My intent was to point out I have my own evals, not to make some silly claim that I'm perfect.

Your intent, on the other hand, is crystal clear.

Crystal clear since 2010. New user name, same shtick.

The fact that no one on realgm is talking about him confirms that most people just repeat the perspective the major draft websites give them instead of going with their own evaluations of prospects.

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players.

[rzzzzz]

team hasn't had a good writer on the beat since Kate Fagan.

yeah, she spoiled us. her confrontation of Quirky and then the Hug Club was the most entertainment this side of Game of Thrones. that interview she got out of Iggy in the locker room right after the Chicago series was one for the ages. must appreciate her current situation given demise of print media (though i'm not sure how solid ESPN is these days) and she does a decent job making the rounds of lightweight panel discussions. but she had a hell of a great gig going on here.

[LloydFree]

No mention of where you had Okafor... Interesting

Because I didn't disagree strongly with Schmitz or Givony on Okafor. My intent was to point out I have my own evals, not to make some silly claim that I'm perfect.

Your intent, on the other hand, is crystal clear.

Crystal clear since 2010. New user name, same shtick.

The fact that no one on realgm is talking about him confirms that most people just repeat the perspective the major draft websites give them instead of going with their own evaluations of prospects.

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players.

I never even heard of "point god". But obviously he had a lasting effect on you, since you l undoubtedly spent a good deal of your free time searching through 7+ years worth of posts, to find something that is similar to what Ive posted.

[sixerswillrule]

Because I didn't disagree strongly with Schmitz or Givony on Okafor. My intent was to point out I have my own evals, not to make some silly claim that I'm perfect.

Your intent, on the other hand, is crystal clear.

Crystal clear since 2010. New user name, same shtick.

The fact that no one on realgm is talking about him confirms that most people just repeat the perspective the major draft websites give them instead of going with their own evaluations of prospects.

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players.

I never even heard of "point god". But obviously he had a lasting effect on you, since you l undoubtedly spent a good deal of your free time searching through 7+ years worth of posts, to find something that is similar to what Ive posted.

Sure you haven't

I search for a living and have a great memory so that honestly only took a couple minutes.

[sixers hoops]

Crystal clear since 2010. New user name, same shtick.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=26163985#p26163985

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1578179&start=660#p57624155

I never even heard of "point god". But obviously he had a lasting effect on you, since you l undoubtedly spent a good deal of your free time searching through 7+ years worth of posts, to find something that is similar to what Ive posted.

Sure you haven't

I search for a living and have a great memory so that honestly only took a couple minutes.

Ok. Let’s keep this on the topic of Fultz and not a discussion of a forum member.

[Kolkmania]

For what it's worth Markelle threw a right handed, full court over-the-head shot in his last Snapchat, the end is near.