2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[76ciology]

I wonder who Elton promised this year

If I would have to guess, it’s Duarte or Joel Ayayi.

But Morey runs this team now.

Actually there’s a common fingerprint with how this team drafts since 2013. It relies heavy on numbers, a lot less on trends.

[yuuby]

I can't believe the best player in the draft is going to fall to no. 3 again.

It has happened so frequently recently. In 2014 (embiid), arguably in 2016 (brown), 2017 (tatum), 2018 (luka), 2020 (ball)

[Kobblehead]

Looks like Houston is desperate for Cunningham and Detroit seems fine with that because they internally prefer Green. Looks like a swap seems imminent. Detroit about to pull an Ainge and get their guy ontop of getting a haul from another team going up and taking the guy they don't want.

[76ciology]

Looks like Houston is desperate for Cunningham and Detroit seems fine with that because they internally prefer Green. Looks like a swap seems imminent. Detroit about to pull an Ainge and get their guy ontop of getting a haul from another team going up and taking the guy they don't want.

Either way, Rox would be a fun team. If only they did the Ben Simmons trade, they’d be ready to rock and roll.

Wall
Cade
KPJ
Ben
Wood

Not bad either..

Wall
Cade
KPJ
Olynyk (reborn and is the second coming of larry bird)
Wood

[stormi]

I love Bones Hyland

[SparksFly87]

Morey please.draft Trey Murphy.

[stormi]

Prepping for our impending acquisition of the 9th overall pick from Sacramento (green txt?). I feel like I have a really good pulse on the prospects ranked 20-50, after the top ~7 though my intel isn't as up to date.

Jalen Johnson. Watched him a few hours ago. Looked extremely raw. Tremendous athlete, can pass, looks like a gazelle in the open floor. An offensive project for sure though. Wasn't blown away, wasn't upset at what I saw either.

Ziare Williams. This guy looked really really bad. Another athlete with tremendous tools. Doesn't look like he knows how to play basketball though. No shot, no handle, stiff.

Keon Johnson. Caught my eye actually. Ridiculous athlete, natural looking shooting stroke, and flashed a tiny bit of handle / slashing ability. If the stars align I could see him having a Jaylen Brown type trajectory.

Franz Wagner. Consummate role player. Good at a lot of things, mastery of none.

James Bouknight. We all know about him. Good size, athleticism, handle, shot. Good prospect.

Moses Moody. Super long arms, defends, can shoot somewhat, gets to the line. If you're upset about trading away Mikal, this is your guy. Impressive production for a freshman.

[76ciology]

Prepping for our impending acquisition of the 9th overall pick from Sacramento (green txt?). I feel like I have a really good pulse on the prospects ranked 20-50, after the top ~7 though my intel isn't as up to date.

Jalen Johnson. Watched him a few hours ago. Looked extremely raw and unpolished. Tremendous athlete, can pass, looks like a gazelle in the open floor. An offensive project for sure though. Wasn't blow away, wasn't upset at what I saw either.

Ziare Williams. This guy looked really really bad. Another athlete with tremendous tools. Doesn't look like he knows how to play basketball though. No shot, no handle, stiff.

Keon Johnson. Caught my eye actually. Ridiculous athlete, natural looking shooting stroke, and flashed a tiny bit of handle / slashing ability. If the stars align I could see him having a Jaylen Brown type trajectory.

Franz Wagner. Consummate role player. Good at a lot of things, mastery of none.

James Bouknight. We all know about him. Good size, athleticism, handle, shot. Good prospect.

Moses Moody. Super long arms, defends, can shoot somewhat, gets to the line. If you're upset about trading away Mikal, this is your guy. Production is great for a freshman.

Wagner, Bouknight then Cameron Thomas, in that order for me but i wouldnt mind either one of them with the 7th

[Mik317]

you don't take role players with a top 10 pick.

Reach for the stars there imo.

[76ciology]

you don't take role players with a top 10 pick.

Reach for the stars there imo.

Its a weak draft IMO and Wagner, Bouknight and Thomas have the highest chance to be stars IMO. My opinion only.

Thomas = best scoring upside in the draft
Bouknight = probably best PnR scorer in the draft
Wagner = youth, length, 2 way wing, IQ and good foundation with shooting to improve further.

[Mik317]

I don't see it in Wagner. Probably just burnt out on the do it all types...since that generally ends up as meh at a lot of things and have to rely on their defense to make up for it.

Thomas has the moxie but holy **** the negative sections of some of the vids I've watch make him look like an idiot lol.

Bouknight I agree on...think he's the sleeper of this draft.

[76ciology]

I don't see it in Wagner. Probably just burnt out on the do it all types...since that generally ends up as meh at a lot of things and have to rely on their defense to make up for it.

Thomas has the moxie but holy **** the negative sections of some of the vids I've watch make him look like an idiot lol.

Bouknight I agree on...think he's the sleeper of this draft.

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According to his Synergy Sports profile, Wagner ranked in the 73rd percentile (“very good”) at the collegiate level as a pick-and-roll initiator, producing 62 points in 73 possessions (0.85 PPP). Shooting off the dribble, Wagner ranked in the 82nd percentile (“very good”) in college - producing 0.97 points per possession.

PnR ball handler
Bouknight 73 possessions .69 ppp
Wagner 74 possessions .85 ppp

Im not saying Wagner will be better. Nobody knows.

But I think people are sleeping on Wagner, he’s a lot better than most people think. I read somewhere that he’s a stats darling (same with my take). Im not saying he’s super special ok? I think he’s somewhere between Tobi and Hayward on offense but with a lot better defense than both those guys.

I super love to have Wagner land with the Warriors, he’d be perfect!

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While I think Bouknight is overrated, but I still have him top 10 on my mock.

While Cam Thomas, he’s a natural scorer. His motor is elite. He’s one of the best scoring freshman in xx years. His offense has GREAT substance, and not as empty as it looks based on my numbers. He’s has the highest chance when in comes to a player who can average close 30 a game among all Draft prospects (not saying much; could be empty scoring like Beal or Booker early years).

Nevertheless, all three are good bets. And have games that the current trend of the NBA favors.

[Kobblehead]

Seeing some of these names mentioned makes me realize how lucky we were to get Maxey last year. Maxey way better prospect than most of these guys.

[Kobblehead]

Moses Moody. Super long arms, defends, can shoot somewhat, gets to the line. If you're upset about trading away Mikal, this is your guy. Impressive production for a freshman.

My problem with Moody is people are always talking about how athletic, long and good he is defensively. Well, where are the steals and blocks?

Look at the steal and block rate of Bridges. Look at the steal and block rate of Duarte. Moody makes little to no plays, defensively. And he's not a particularly good creator. So I just don't see the appeal.

[stormi]

Moses Moody. Super long arms, defends, can shoot somewhat, gets to the line. If you're upset about trading away Mikal, this is your guy. Impressive production for a freshman.

My problem with Moody is people are always talking about how athletic, long and good he is defensively. Well, where are the steals and blocks?

Look at the steal and block rate of Bridges. Look at the steal and block rate of Duarte. Moody makes little to no plays, defensively. And he's not a particularly good creator. So I just don't see the appeal.

I think about it's more about projecting him down the line since he's only 19. He'll never get steals and blocks like Mikal, but they'll pretty much occupy similar spaces at the next level and he'll likely be a pretty solid and switchable man defender. And that's if he never expands his game. Any freshman getting to the line 6 times a night is doing something right imo. He's attacking defenses and drawing contact.

[stormi]

Wagner

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/okpqaf/crunching_the_numbers_on_franz_wagner/

interesting

[76ciology]

Wagner

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/okpqaf/crunching_the_numbers_on_franz_wagner/

interesting

Nice assessment. Sounds really fair to me.

Im not saying he’s gonna be a big star or a sure fire star.

Offensively, which for me determines a lot of a player’s value, I think he’ll end up somewhere from Tobi to Hayward on offense.

He’s not gonna take over games with his scoring. He’d be like 2nd to 3rd option on offense, but plays with big impact on both ends. He’d be perfect if he lands with the Warriors, Wpurs or maybe Kings.

The reason I like him is he has the foundation (iq, good hands, good touch, base skills for playmaking) and youth to be a star.

Btw, do you have a link on reddit about this year’s prospects WAR? They usually have those on that site before

[76ciology]

Seeing some of these names mentioned makes me realize how lucky we were to get Maxey last year. Maxey way better prospect than most of these guys.

I feel like if you just keep drafting guards who can score from ISO, PnR and shoot, you’ll be saying this on everyone a lot more often.

Like if we draft Tre Mann with the 28th we’ll be saying the same thing. And IMO so with Hyland or Dosunmu, even i know you’ll disagree with me on this. Then next offseason, we’ll be discussing how ridiculous it was to draft Sengun or Jalen Johnson over these guards.

So did if we have drafted Jordan Clarkson with a low first round pick before. Look at Shake Milton or Shamet, at some point we also said how those two were steals.

That’s what you get if you draft based on trend.

People were like complaining how we let Christian Woods and Jerami Grant go. Personally, I dont mind. Its just a casualty of variance and they’re not gonna move the winnability of a team compared to scoring guards. If you’re crying over missing those two, you’re crying for the wrong reasons. That also means you wont be able to correct your path.

Personally, I’d rather have Jordan Clarkson than either one of those guys then I’d sign some cheap big like Alex Len, Dragan Bender, Dedmon, Theis, Drummond or Baynes than have Jerami or Christian wood while having Jeff Teague or George Hill run the offense.

I find that the game is just so easy with the guards. Like when I watch Cameron Payne run the offense, sometimes I feel like deep inside he’s even surprised on how good he is. And he’s like “fake it till i make my next big paycheck”

I can say the same thing with Jrue. Jrue was like Dumbo when Giannis was out in the Hawks series. He’s like.. “man, am i really carrying a team in the 3rd round of the playoffs?”

They say in stocks, trend is your friend until it ends haha

..and i dont see this trend ending. NBA opened a pandora’s box that they won’t be able to revert it back again.

[76ciology]

Moody’s profile looks like a smaller version of Khris Middleton.

If you want to have the right valuation of him IMO, you need to undervalue his length and project him as an average at best defensive player

[Kobblehead]

Only three players I'd take at #28.

Tre Mann
Sharife Cooper
David Johnson